ALTP test in a 1900
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26th Amendment
From www.caa.co.za, click Acts and Regulations in the left column. the info below is an extract from the 26th amendment 61.07.3 (1)
I've read all the other amendments up to 31st amendment, and I can't find any further changes to this rule...
Skill test
I've read all the other amendments up to 31st amendment, and I can't find any further changes to this rule...
Skill test
61.07.3 (1) An applicant for an Airline Transport Pilot Licence (aeroplane) must have demonstrated the ability to a Designated Flight Examiner competency to perform as pilot in-command in an aeroplane type-certified for a minimum crew of two pilots, under IFR,the procedures and manoeuvres as prescribed in Document SA CATS-FCL 61 for the
issue of an airline transport pilot qualification (aeroplane).
(2) The applicant must undergo the skill test referred to in Sub-regulation (1) within 60
months from the date of gaining a pass from all the required examinations. Provided that
in the case of the applicant holding a Commercial Pilot Licence (aeroplane) with an
instrument rating, the examinations referred to in Regulation 61.07.1 shall remain valid for
a period not exceeding five years from the date of expiry of the last renewal.
(3) The skill test may be used for the issue of the licence and an initial type rating or
proficiency check for revalidation of the type rating for the aeroplane used in the test, and
may be combined with the skill test for the issue of a multi-pilot type rating.issue of an airline transport pilot qualification (aeroplane).
(2) The applicant must undergo the skill test referred to in Sub-regulation (1) within 60
months from the date of gaining a pass from all the required examinations. Provided that
in the case of the applicant holding a Commercial Pilot Licence (aeroplane) with an
instrument rating, the examinations referred to in Regulation 61.07.1 shall remain valid for
a period not exceeding five years from the date of expiry of the last renewal.
(3) The skill test may be used for the issue of the licence and an initial type rating or
proficiency check for revalidation of the type rating for the aeroplane used in the test, and
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I visited the good old CAA last week, they reckon u can still only log 50% of your co-pilot time towards the total 1500hrs, and if u were a co-pilot on a B190 or BE20 u have to have a letter from your company stating a multi-crew operation before u can use 50% of that time towards the 1500.
Correct me if Im wrong but I dont see that anywhere in Part 61 ?
Correct me if Im wrong but I dont see that anywhere in Part 61 ?
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Provided that
in the case of the applicant holding a Commercial Pilot Licence (aeroplane) with an
instrument rating, the examinations referred to in Regulation 61.07.1 shall remain valid for
a period not exceeding five years from the date of expiry of the last renewal.
With regards to the above statement does that mean as long as you keep renewing your CPL/IR your subjects are still valid for 5 years?
I met a number of guys who've had their Co-pilot time counted in full toward their total time for ATP - it apparently depends on 'who' you get at the offices.
in the case of the applicant holding a Commercial Pilot Licence (aeroplane) with an
instrument rating, the examinations referred to in Regulation 61.07.1 shall remain valid for
a period not exceeding five years from the date of expiry of the last renewal.
With regards to the above statement does that mean as long as you keep renewing your CPL/IR your subjects are still valid for 5 years?
I met a number of guys who've had their Co-pilot time counted in full toward their total time for ATP - it apparently depends on 'who' you get at the offices.
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In Subpart 7, 61.07.01
d)has, within the previous 60 months completed a multicrew cooperation course.
This obviously refers to something more substantial than a CRM course, but where do you get that in South Africa?
d)has, within the previous 60 months completed a multicrew cooperation course.
This obviously refers to something more substantial than a CRM course, but where do you get that in South Africa?
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I spoke to the CAA and they admit to mistake sin the new 61.
One of the testing standards officers mentioned that '61.07.2(1)(a) 500hrs multi-pilot ops' should actually read '500hrs PIC or PIC under supervision multi-pilot ops'. Surely this makes it irrelevant as under (b) only 250hrs PIC are required???
Can dual be counted under the 150hrs PICUS and therefore added towards the 250hr PIC requirement? As I understand it, there was/is no such thing as PICUS in RSA? Our logbooks make no allowance for it....
As for the test, it says the applicant must demostrate ability as PIC in a 2crew a/c. Can you test from the right seat of an ATR / EC120 / Dash8 (or even B737 for that matter) with only a P2 rating??
The CAA have only succeeded in confusing me more, and this isn't good for someone in my fragile, incontinent state. Some clarity would definitely not go unnoticed. thanks
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One of the testing standards officers mentioned that '61.07.2(1)(a) 500hrs multi-pilot ops' should actually read '500hrs PIC or PIC under supervision multi-pilot ops'. Surely this makes it irrelevant as under (b) only 250hrs PIC are required???
Can dual be counted under the 150hrs PICUS and therefore added towards the 250hr PIC requirement? As I understand it, there was/is no such thing as PICUS in RSA? Our logbooks make no allowance for it....
As for the test, it says the applicant must demostrate ability as PIC in a 2crew a/c. Can you test from the right seat of an ATR / EC120 / Dash8 (or even B737 for that matter) with only a P2 rating??
The CAA have only succeeded in confusing me more, and this isn't good for someone in my fragile, incontinent state. Some clarity would definitely not go unnoticed. thanks
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I visited the good old CAA last week, they reckon u can still only log 50% of your co-pilot time towards the total 1500hrs, and if u were a co-pilot on a B190 or BE20 u have to have a letter from your company stating a multi-crew operation before u can use 50% of that time towards the 1500.
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If its your lucky day at the CAA and slip thru then hey....you got lucky, dont think it means you dont deserve an ATP, many people have tested on smaller simpler twin's than a 1900!!! Who really know what happens at the CAA some days !!!
looks like "Solenta" has his ducks in a row about this one !!!
fly1981 get down to the CAA and ask them for yourself so it come from the horses mouth !!! if you still in the country......
looks like "Solenta" has his ducks in a row about this one !!!
fly1981 get down to the CAA and ask them for yourself so it come from the horses mouth !!! if you still in the country......
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Aic 1833 08-04-11
Today an AIC was issued.
There is an exemption to do an ATPL flight test on "any multi-engine turboprop/turbojet with fully functional dual instrumentation"
The exemption will be in force until it becomes regulation.
This is good news, now you can all test for your ATPL again on any ME Turbo-prop such as B200 / B1900, as long as it is fitted with dual instumentation.
As I mentioned in previous posts, this is what industry tried to achieve BEFORE the law was published.
There is an exemption to do an ATPL flight test on "any multi-engine turboprop/turbojet with fully functional dual instrumentation"
The exemption will be in force until it becomes regulation.
This is good news, now you can all test for your ATPL again on any ME Turbo-prop such as B200 / B1900, as long as it is fitted with dual instumentation.
As I mentioned in previous posts, this is what industry tried to achieve BEFORE the law was published.
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Always thought it had to be at least a twin Goffel, what gives? Proving you can manage the extremely low workload of a van is hardly inspiring confidence in one's ability to carry an ATP?
