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Apparently 4 F/O's (including the F/O from the one-engined flight 723) and at least 1 training captain have resigned from CE this week. They were given dispensation to leave with a 24hr notice period if they resigned before end of Jan (copies of memo's will be posted) and now VB and his henchmen are suing the said induviduals for not serving 3 months notice as per their contracts. Even in the cases where letters waivering the 3 month notice were issued by CE, they boys are getting sued.
Shows how much one can trust VB and his cronies...
Shows how much one can trust VB and his cronies...
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It seems things are hapeneing at CE ops... TM, the outgoing DFO was told not to come to work today for backing up the pilots in the resignation story and my contact in the banking fraternity has told me that today Nationwide has been sold either in part or fully to G. Reddy of Durban. The same man who tried to take over 1time when it listed
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From: dave hill
sent: 29 January 2008 08:43 AM
To: ann brlcknell; bernice duque; braam malan; charmaine thorne; cornelis schoonderwoerd; dave vanniekerk; deon els; dirk steyn; erika van der nest; floors labuschagne; jane hay; johan kruger, karen lane; pieter vanderwesthulzen snr; reinhard van niekerk; robble rautenbach; ross green; stephen smith; sue bromley; sylvia pitout; thys mulller; werner pretorius
Cc: barbara buchanan; nicolene marais; marilize human
Subject: Resignations
HI,
Please ensure that all resignations that you have to date have been sent HR/salaries by 1000 today. This is the out off for processing for salaries.
The waiver on notice periods must now be ended. Employees who resign must be advised that they are obliged to work their contracted notice period. Failure to do so will result in legal action being taken against them.
Thanks
Dave
Dave Hill
Director, Human Resources Nationwide Airlines (Pty) Ltd
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Reservations: 0861-737-737
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sent: 29 January 2008 08:43 AM
To: ann brlcknell; bernice duque; braam malan; charmaine thorne; cornelis schoonderwoerd; dave vanniekerk; deon els; dirk steyn; erika van der nest; floors labuschagne; jane hay; johan kruger, karen lane; pieter vanderwesthulzen snr; reinhard van niekerk; robble rautenbach; ross green; stephen smith; sue bromley; sylvia pitout; thys mulller; werner pretorius
Cc: barbara buchanan; nicolene marais; marilize human
Subject: Resignations
HI,
Please ensure that all resignations that you have to date have been sent HR/salaries by 1000 today. This is the out off for processing for salaries.
The waiver on notice periods must now be ended. Employees who resign must be advised that they are obliged to work their contracted notice period. Failure to do so will result in legal action being taken against them.
Thanks
Dave
Dave Hill
Director, Human Resources Nationwide Airlines (Pty) Ltd
•• +27 (11) 395 7661- Office
•• 011 0866 873 485 – Fax
[email protected]
Reservations: 0861-737-737
www.flynationwide.co.za
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Let me tell you a little story about the F/O of flight 723 and Nationwide's infamous CEO, just to give you an idea of what kind of person VB is.
DP, the F/O (and pilot flying) during the engine separation of OEZ, was recently scheduled to do his -500 rating. He gets the books/CBT etc, then, lo and behold, gets a training bond agreement shoved in his face, and told to 'sign here'. He queries some of the details, ultimately refusing to sign said document. After some blah blahing, VB phones him (please note: this is the first time he's ever spoken to VB, who didn't even say so much as a 'Thanks for helping save those lives, and my airline') and gets a solid uitkakking for not signing the bond!!! VB tells him "You'll sweep my hangar floors if I say so!" Our hero then says to VB "Fine, where's the broom!?", at which point VB throws a bit of a wobbly. (Obviously, DP's employment agreement says he'll do no such thing). All of this straight from the horses mouth, 1st hand.
Thats the kind of 'man' VB is. Just so anybody thinking he's an alright guy can think again. If there happens to be anybody like that left.
Combined with the sheer idiocy of the above mentioned HR idiot, DH, it's a surprise Nationwide has any crew left at all. And of course, TM, the outgoing DFO lasted the usual 10 months or so - why anybody in their right mind would accept the DFO position at Nationwide baffles me. Of course, I'm told that both the IOSA auditors, and the SACAA have both queried the high staff turnovers at Nationwide, but as usual, they (NTW management) simply didn't give a toss.
To those thinking of joining Nationwide: Do yourself a favour - don't. Believe me, there are better positions out there now.
DP, the F/O (and pilot flying) during the engine separation of OEZ, was recently scheduled to do his -500 rating. He gets the books/CBT etc, then, lo and behold, gets a training bond agreement shoved in his face, and told to 'sign here'. He queries some of the details, ultimately refusing to sign said document. After some blah blahing, VB phones him (please note: this is the first time he's ever spoken to VB, who didn't even say so much as a 'Thanks for helping save those lives, and my airline') and gets a solid uitkakking for not signing the bond!!! VB tells him "You'll sweep my hangar floors if I say so!" Our hero then says to VB "Fine, where's the broom!?", at which point VB throws a bit of a wobbly. (Obviously, DP's employment agreement says he'll do no such thing). All of this straight from the horses mouth, 1st hand.
Thats the kind of 'man' VB is. Just so anybody thinking he's an alright guy can think again. If there happens to be anybody like that left.
Combined with the sheer idiocy of the above mentioned HR idiot, DH, it's a surprise Nationwide has any crew left at all. And of course, TM, the outgoing DFO lasted the usual 10 months or so - why anybody in their right mind would accept the DFO position at Nationwide baffles me. Of course, I'm told that both the IOSA auditors, and the SACAA have both queried the high staff turnovers at Nationwide, but as usual, they (NTW management) simply didn't give a toss.
To those thinking of joining Nationwide: Do yourself a favour - don't. Believe me, there are better positions out there now.
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Does this mean if you take a position / training bond and CE goes bang.....do you still have to honour the bond ? Can't imagine any liquidators coming after the guys....I guess one thing will be for certain, if Mr Reddy does take-over the airline, the head-office will move to Durban.....
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I don't think these two guys (VB & DH ) realise that they are not the " One eyed man in the land of the blind and therefore I am King". VB must now rate as the worst Boss in the world if the above story is true, DH where the hell did you qualify for your position with making sweeping statements, Quote "Failure to do so will result in legal action being taken against them"Unquote.
What happened to the first step of Disciplinary action instead of jumping in with "Legal action"
What happens if the person was Incapacitated etc.
Was there an agreed cut off time for Waiver on resignations, if so you should have quoted it in your above mentioned Email, it sounds like you just made that rule up because you're a boss.
I understand that this is a rumour forum but if the above posts are true then NTW deserve ALL that is on its way to them.
I hope VB ends up sweeping the hangar floors.
What happened to the first step of Disciplinary action instead of jumping in with "Legal action"
What happens if the person was Incapacitated etc.
Was there an agreed cut off time for Waiver on resignations, if so you should have quoted it in your above mentioned Email, it sounds like you just made that rule up because you're a boss.
I understand that this is a rumour forum but if the above posts are true then NTW deserve ALL that is on its way to them.
I hope VB ends up sweeping the hangar floors.
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Cape Argus pg3
By Ella Smook
The rough ride of embattled Nationwide Airlines continued this week after the resignation of four of its pilots including First Officer Daniel Perry, who co-piloted the Nationwide flight which lost an engine at take-off in 2007.
According to a senior Nationwide source, the grounding of the airline and subsequent scrapping of flights, resulted in pilots losing flight hours, raising concern about job security.
Perry confirmed his resignation, but would give no further comment. He and Captain Trevor Arnold were feted as heroes in 2007 when the right engine of Nationwide Flight CE723 tore loose from the aircraft and they had to land it with only one engine.
The metallurgy report has not yet been made public. However, the CAA promptly grounded Nationwide after the incident, pending a full inspection of all the carrier's aircraft and their maintenance histories.
The source said that after the grounding a memo had been issued to staff saying they could resign giving only 24 hours notice, as opposed to the usual three months required contractually.
The source added that Nationwide staff were concerned about job security and pilots were losing airtime. Flight hours averaged 70-80 a month pre-grounding.
When operations resumed, the source said pilots' flight hours had failed to normalise.
Perry and three other first officers, Petrus Pienaar, Corne la Cock and James Lawrence, subsequently resigned and joined Comair. Pienaar, La Cock and Lawrence have also confirmed their resignations.
On Tuesday, the waiver on notice periods was summarily withdrawn. It is believed this move could be linked to the current negotiations between Nationwide and Allan Reddy, who previously tried to take over 1time airline as part of his quest to become "the first black owner of a private airline".
Nationwide CEO Vernon Bricknell confirmed on Friday that Nationwide and Reddy were "talking", but categorically denied rumours that the airline had been sold.
The rough ride of embattled Nationwide Airlines continued this week after the resignation of four of its pilots including First Officer Daniel Perry, who co-piloted the Nationwide flight which lost an engine at take-off in 2007.
According to a senior Nationwide source, the grounding of the airline and subsequent scrapping of flights, resulted in pilots losing flight hours, raising concern about job security.
Perry confirmed his resignation, but would give no further comment. He and Captain Trevor Arnold were feted as heroes in 2007 when the right engine of Nationwide Flight CE723 tore loose from the aircraft and they had to land it with only one engine.
The metallurgy report has not yet been made public. However, the CAA promptly grounded Nationwide after the incident, pending a full inspection of all the carrier's aircraft and their maintenance histories.
The source said that after the grounding a memo had been issued to staff saying they could resign giving only 24 hours notice, as opposed to the usual three months required contractually.
The source added that Nationwide staff were concerned about job security and pilots were losing airtime. Flight hours averaged 70-80 a month pre-grounding.
When operations resumed, the source said pilots' flight hours had failed to normalise.
Perry and three other first officers, Petrus Pienaar, Corne la Cock and James Lawrence, subsequently resigned and joined Comair. Pienaar, La Cock and Lawrence have also confirmed their resignations.
On Tuesday, the waiver on notice periods was summarily withdrawn. It is believed this move could be linked to the current negotiations between Nationwide and Allan Reddy, who previously tried to take over 1time airline as part of his quest to become "the first black owner of a private airline".
Nationwide CEO Vernon Bricknell confirmed on Friday that Nationwide and Reddy were "talking", but categorically denied rumours that the airline had been sold.
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Does this mean if you take a position / training bond and CE goes bang.....do you still have to honour the bond ?
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Was told by NW HR lady a week ago that there would be no interviews or selection for about 2 months to let the current schedule catch up. Got a phone call today asking what are you up to tommorrow.....I guess things are moving a lot quicker than expected.
Must be all those chaps off for the Jet* interviews and BA chaps too proud to take a step backwards.....things are going to get interesting for sure.
Does that mean if there are less chaps, we get a cut of their salary......guess it is going to be Patel's beans bunnies for me for the next 4 years.....
Must be all those chaps off for the Jet* interviews and BA chaps too proud to take a step backwards.....things are going to get interesting for sure.
Does that mean if there are less chaps, we get a cut of their salary......guess it is going to be Patel's beans bunnies for me for the next 4 years.....
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Indian, Black, White, Chinese etc etc......who cares.
If the person in charge is a competent manager, good planner, good communicator etc, they should do well, and they'll get the support of the employees.
The problem is that none of the people who end up in charge seem to have formal management training, or any practical leadership experience. So many problems encountered on a daily basis by crew have their root causes in fundamental strategic errors by management types too intent on 'false' savings, or just simple lack of common sense. No attempt to communicate in any direction, as well as a culture of distrust between management and employees means that no ideas or practical advice passes upwards or downwards - inherent systemic flaws continue, despite solutions being abundantly clear to many people at the front line. The bottom line is that as long as whoever is acting as CEO can fulfil certain standards of leadership, it doesn't matter what they look like, or where they came from. Personally, I find the standard of management in this industry in general (having come from a different industry altogether) to be quite substandard, to put it mildly.
In any case...I personally find it unlikely that anybody could be a worse people manager than VB. But life has a way of surprising me....
If the person in charge is a competent manager, good planner, good communicator etc, they should do well, and they'll get the support of the employees.
The problem is that none of the people who end up in charge seem to have formal management training, or any practical leadership experience. So many problems encountered on a daily basis by crew have their root causes in fundamental strategic errors by management types too intent on 'false' savings, or just simple lack of common sense. No attempt to communicate in any direction, as well as a culture of distrust between management and employees means that no ideas or practical advice passes upwards or downwards - inherent systemic flaws continue, despite solutions being abundantly clear to many people at the front line. The bottom line is that as long as whoever is acting as CEO can fulfil certain standards of leadership, it doesn't matter what they look like, or where they came from. Personally, I find the standard of management in this industry in general (having come from a different industry altogether) to be quite substandard, to put it mildly.
In any case...I personally find it unlikely that anybody could be a worse people manager than VB. But life has a way of surprising me....
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If an Indian takes over Nationwide you will all be wishing VB was the "rudder" again.............?
It makes you look ignorant, there's no need to bring race into this.I think VB is an a-hole and there are plenty people OF ALL COLOURS, that could be a better boss than that old fart!
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