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Old 7th Jan 2008, 13:31
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KLM 747 returns to JHB on 3 engines

Seems one of the engines caught fire an hour after departure today and the crew returned to JHB. A new engine will be sent from Amsterdam as per De Telegraaf. Any further news on this from one of the pro's? Did the paper get it right this time? Apparently no panic on the plane, crew handled the info in a sensible way.
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I actually think that its going to 3-engine ferried back to Holland..judging by http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...695692&page=27

KL592 JNB AMS B744
Flight delayed 50h. Aircraft returned to JNB after inflight aircraft defect. Aircraft will be ferried back empty in 2 days.
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Just heard about the KLM engine shut down on the 5 o'clock news.

I dont see what all the fuss is about.......especially in the local media. Engines are shut down all the time, precautionary or otherwise. I see a growing trend in SA media to sensationalise an otherwise ordinary event. Ok, an engine fire may be considered a little more serious, but I am still sticking to my origional point......the flying public in SA is growing rapidly with the advent of the various LCC's and as such is still very young and inexperienced w.r.t normal aviation events. One only needs to look the papers from the past 3 months to see how the media has reported every thing from the unfortunate Nationwide saga, to comair returning to JNB because of an engine oil filter clog light coming on.

I am in no way insinuating that SA's media is unique in their approach to these stories, but i sincerely hope they mature in their approach to stories such as this. Granted, I agree that the flying public needs to know about events such as these......but I think the manner and tone in which these stories are reported leaves alot to be desired.

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And this thread says a engine is being ferried down

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=776090
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Seems the sensible thing to do (ferrying back on 3 empty) as they have their maintenance facilities in Amsterdam but is it good practice to do such a long haul on 3 - They could take another hit and then what?

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Then they would carry on on 2, it would be empty.
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Well said SpootNICK

One engine falls off an aircraft, no one is injured, crew does what they are trained to do, everything placed there for the purpose clicks into place and operates flawlessly but this still does not satisfy the media!! From then on every single everyday incident must be blown out of all proportion. Sunday nights e-news was a "classic" example. According to this "report" everything to do with aviation is dangerous. Pilots are reckless. ALL aircraft in SA are improperly maintained, if at all. ALL the companies in aviation are screwing the public. Not a word about road accidents. Nothing said about the wonderful taxi industry. And then, on the same night, a KLM aircraft (omigosh, a foreign aircraft!) has a problem and has to turn back! Lets see if our Big Boy media now want to go after the whole worlds aviation "problems"
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According to the link provided by Gauteng Pilot a spare engine is being del here on KL591. Assuming this does happen can anyone advise how it will be shipped, ie, would it fit onboard or would it be slung under a wing?
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Underwing


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Thankyou for your very quick response Gauteng Pilot I'll try and look out for that one.
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Old 7th Jan 2008, 17:56
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SAA -400 carrying one

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Another good example thanks. I noticed in both pics that it is slung under Port wing, is this a Boeing design (Port wing only) or a preference or just co-incidence.
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Port wing only
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From inside the cabin

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SAA -300
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Thanks Gauteng Pilot, I appreciate your help.
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I've only just seen reply 14 & 15 after my reply 16. Now I'm more keen than ever to see this in reality on finals ( assuming it arrives on 03L/R ).
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Unfortunately the flight mentioned arrives at night ( around 10pm )
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I guess I was being too optimistic there. I hadn't even bothered checking the schedules out yet. Thanks again anyway.
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Is the 5th engine running at some kind of zero thrust setting to avoid any increased drag penalty from just free-wheeling?
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