Jetstar roadshow in Jan `08?
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Well, many of my friends at SAA did interviews with J* recently, many of them experienced and rated on type.
I don't want to burst too many bubbles back in Vic state, but before a company can go on the recruitment trail they must have an OK for the number of possible recruits already.
They must also be able to show that the new recruits will be filling a labour gap that exist in Oz at present - BEFORE they can recruit.
J* already did this.
And before you go on about Oz having enough pilots, they are looking for EXPERIENCE. The people that are being interviewed are high hour (10 000hrs) people.
They are looking for future (next 18 months) captains.
Good luck manne!
I don't want to burst too many bubbles back in Vic state, but before a company can go on the recruitment trail they must have an OK for the number of possible recruits already.
They must also be able to show that the new recruits will be filling a labour gap that exist in Oz at present - BEFORE they can recruit.
J* already did this.
And before you go on about Oz having enough pilots, they are looking for EXPERIENCE. The people that are being interviewed are high hour (10 000hrs) people.
They are looking for future (next 18 months) captains.
Good luck manne!
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There is no shortage of pilots in Oz. Just a shortage of pilots willing to work for the current pay IF the projected expansion continues.
When all the SAFA's move to Oz there will be a shortage of pilots there too.
Then both countries may bring in the Eastern Europeans etc etc.
Its a crappy cycle and equally crappy industry.
I have nothing against expats moving anywhere but we really are our own worst enemies sometimes. (Im an expat).
Good luck wherever you may roam.
MAX
When all the SAFA's move to Oz there will be a shortage of pilots there too.
Then both countries may bring in the Eastern Europeans etc etc.
Its a crappy cycle and equally crappy industry.
I have nothing against expats moving anywhere but we really are our own worst enemies sometimes. (Im an expat).
Good luck wherever you may roam.
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Placido,
If what you say is correct ,then how on gods earth are these chaps going to circumvent the JetSar seniority list?
JetStar F/O's I would suggest you read the upcoming EBA offer very carefully, if you wish to get a command in any reasonable time frame!
Good luck to you all , you'll probably need it.
If what you say is correct ,then how on gods earth are these chaps going to circumvent the JetSar seniority list?
JetStar F/O's I would suggest you read the upcoming EBA offer very carefully, if you wish to get a command in any reasonable time frame!
Good luck to you all , you'll probably need it.
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Need I say More
Fellow SA aviators, as I mentioned earlier we are all trying to improve conditions for all pilots concerned. Dont be fooled, there are a lot of aussie's with +5000hrs who are ready to take those seats but they are all waiting for the companies to stop paying CEO's and their cronies huge salaries and share the wealth around.
Grant 737 you make me sick, people like you gives this industry a bad name. I know you just cant wait to get out of your 3rd world sh*thole and looking at the news things wont improve in the immediate future. Im sure once you are sitting in that seat you will whinge like a little bitch because you cant make ends meet. You mentioned you are paid even less in RSA, well who's fault is that? Now you are coming to Oz to accept a low paid job, so why didnt/dont you and your Boets do something about your conditions.
Gondwalla, mate keep up the good fight. Im sure eventually we will be able to get better packages. AIPA should form a petition, im sure you will get enough signatures to convince the pollies that we have enough talent in the country without having to go elsewhere.
Im sure eventually we will need pilots from other countries but lets look after the aussie's first then start branching out, once we have exhausted our options.
Grant 737 you make me sick, people like you gives this industry a bad name. I know you just cant wait to get out of your 3rd world sh*thole and looking at the news things wont improve in the immediate future. Im sure once you are sitting in that seat you will whinge like a little bitch because you cant make ends meet. You mentioned you are paid even less in RSA, well who's fault is that? Now you are coming to Oz to accept a low paid job, so why didnt/dont you and your Boets do something about your conditions.
Gondwalla, mate keep up the good fight. Im sure eventually we will be able to get better packages. AIPA should form a petition, im sure you will get enough signatures to convince the pollies that we have enough talent in the country without having to go elsewhere.
Im sure eventually we will need pilots from other countries but lets look after the aussie's first then start branching out, once we have exhausted our options.
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Pilot shortage starts to bite (29 August)
Australia’s long-predicted pilot shortage is starting to bite in a big way, according to a number of small to medium operators.
Flying schools report having difficulty hanging on to mid-career instructors, who are being snapped up by airlines, while regional commercial operators say they are having difficulty recruiting qualified people.
Australia’s long-predicted pilot shortage is starting to bite in a big way, according to a number of small to medium operators.
Flying schools report having difficulty hanging on to mid-career instructors, who are being snapped up by airlines, while regional commercial operators say they are having difficulty recruiting qualified people.
So if there is no shortage why do all the headlines say "SHORTAGE" it should then be changed to "under paid or lazy" I find it hard to believe that the whole world has a "pilot shortage" but OZ.
If what MAX is saying is true, then charter pilots and flying school instructors get paid so much higher then airline pilots that not even a A320 of B738 can get them to stop flying Cherokees or King airs.
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GO RIGHT AHEAD - whinge like a little bitch because you cant make ends meet
So stop having a SOOK and cry about it and HARDEN THR F
K UP.[For the guys that dont know what im talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY3TfjOeuhM ]
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Grant 737,
I think you misunderstood my post.
GA pilots in Oz get paid crap.
There are many experienced Aussies overseas not willing to work in Oz because the money is crap. Not King Air pilots but Heavy metal pilots.
Just like there are many SAFA's not willing to work in SA and want to move to Oz.
No shortage of experienced pilots and noone is being lazy and overpaid.
Working hard for good money and retiring early in Oz from a career as an expat.... yes. but most would rather work hard for a proper wage and career structure in their home country... at a guess.
Dont we all?
MAX
I think you misunderstood my post.
GA pilots in Oz get paid crap.
There are many experienced Aussies overseas not willing to work in Oz because the money is crap. Not King Air pilots but Heavy metal pilots.
Just like there are many SAFA's not willing to work in SA and want to move to Oz.
No shortage of experienced pilots and noone is being lazy and overpaid.
Working hard for good money and retiring early in Oz from a career as an expat.... yes.
but most would rather work hard for a proper wage and career structure in their home country... at a guess.Dont we all?
MAX
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Sorry MAX
MAX,
I see what you are saying, But J* will never match a CX salary so those "experienced Aussies overseas" wont be coming back any time soon. You can't expect J* salaries to get those heavy metal guys back and in a FO seat, too.
Just like those guys went overseas looking for BIG money my "boets"[Thx-Go Right Ahead] and I are looking for lifestyle and a safe place to raise a family.
We not out to take anyone's jobs from them, but if there are not enough pilots IN OZ and those guys overseas dont want to come back home and a job gets offered to me , then i'm taking it!
You after the money and we after the family safety.
I see what you are saying, But J* will never match a CX salary so those "experienced Aussies overseas" wont be coming back any time soon. You can't expect J* salaries to get those heavy metal guys back and in a FO seat, too.
Just like those guys went overseas looking for BIG money my "boets"[Thx-Go Right Ahead] and I are looking for lifestyle and a safe place to raise a family.
We not out to take anyone's jobs from them, but if there are not enough pilots IN OZ and those guys overseas dont want to come back home and a job gets offered to me , then i'm taking it!
You after the money and we after the family safety.
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Grant 737,
Any chance since you are gunning for "Oz" as you so put it, to try and make sense when you use the English language as it's a frikkin embarassement.......
Oh by the way SAA and a few other ailines are looking to hire foreign nationals from beyond our borders(read Africa) as there are no suitably qualified individuals available in SA..............now put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!
Now can you understand why the Aussies get upset when the "Yarpies" are inbound to take the jobs that they don't want! They are protecting their turf so to speak.The same as what you and I would do if we had an influx of individuals taking our jobs. All money related of course and if Jetstar and the likes had their ducks in a row fellas like you and I would not even get a look in.
I certainly wouldn't want a job knowing that every Aussie in the company would be on my case and breathing down my neck...........but hey that is my opinion.
Anyway good luck if that's what you are after.................
Any chance since you are gunning for "Oz" as you so put it, to try and make sense when you use the English language as it's a frikkin embarassement.......
Oh by the way SAA and a few other ailines are looking to hire foreign nationals from beyond our borders(read Africa) as there are no suitably qualified individuals available in SA..............now put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!
Now can you understand why the Aussies get upset when the "Yarpies" are inbound to take the jobs that they don't want! They are protecting their turf so to speak.The same as what you and I would do if we had an influx of individuals taking our jobs. All money related of course and if Jetstar and the likes had their ducks in a row fellas like you and I would not even get a look in.
I certainly wouldn't want a job knowing that every Aussie in the company would be on my case and breathing down my neck...........but hey that is my opinion.
Anyway good luck if that's what you are after.................
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I have great simpathy for the Oz Mates trying to improve t&c's back home. The fact is that Aussie airlines pay crap money, however, many of the Saffas moving across are doing so not for the money, but to get the hell out of SA.
It's a sad state of affairs....
It's a sad state of affairs....
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AIPA to meet minister.
Yarpies.
The AIPA president will meet with the minister for immigration and the minister for transport in the next two weeks to question the 457 visa loophole.
Jetstar has to prove there is a shortage of skilled applicants and prove they are training Australians before 457 visas will be issued.
The wheels are in motion guys to stop you people screwing our industry here. Either stay in SA or go to EK....dont come to OZ you are not welcome!
The AIPA president will meet with the minister for immigration and the minister for transport in the next two weeks to question the 457 visa loophole.
Jetstar has to prove there is a shortage of skilled applicants and prove they are training Australians before 457 visas will be issued.
The wheels are in motion guys to stop you people screwing our industry here. Either stay in SA or go to EK....dont come to OZ you are not welcome!
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Unclejack and Max.
Can you please spare me the drama.
Sorry guys you screwed your own country dont think you will do it in Oz. We will fight to stop it.
Oh by the way would SAA offer an Aussie a job?????
Can you please spare me the drama.
Sorry guys you screwed your own country dont think you will do it in Oz. We will fight to stop it.
Oh by the way would SAA offer an Aussie a job?????
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Originally Posted by gondwalla
Sorry guys you screwed your own country.......
Originally Posted by gondwalla
Oh by the way would SAA offer an Aussie a job?????
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Reptile, please be serious even if SAA could get an abo off his arse they still wouldnt give him a job.
Why dont you Yarpies move to Zim and get some of your own back.
Why dont you Yarpies move to Zim and get some of your own back.
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Life in Australia
I have just returned from a holiday with my son and his family living in Australia for almost 8years. He and his wife are highly qualified in their field and they are doing well and are happy, despite living in Sydney.
I qualify for a parents visa and they have done some home work and prepared this information for us.
Let me make no bones about it that there are many aspects of the Australian way of life that I am not excited about. I have travelled a lot in my life and there is no perfect country. Life is a compromise.
At this “dark” moment in the life of SA you cannot compare the countries. All I can say if you can go, go.
Good luck
I am having problems pasting the excel sheet. It is good information and if you want the excel version PM me.
(Prices quoted relates to a family of 4 in a medium to large home) Monthly expenses 4626.34
Expense Descriptions Rates per month Quantity Value
Rent normally 1/10th of a percent property value per week (i.e. $450 000 value house = $450p/week) $ 1,890.00 1 $1,890.00
www.domain.com.au
www.realestate.com.au
www.myhome.com.au
car Price varies from $15k new upwards depending on your needs. Second hand can be from $500 upwards to $ 514.98 1 $ 514.98
www.drive.com.au
www.carsales.com.au
rates/e/w Tarrifs are available but depends on area etc. This is normally a quarerly account. Rates & Service is a separate account. All together plan for $250 to 300 a month in Sydney may well be lower in other cities. $ 300.00 1 $ 300.00
www.agl.com.au
www.truenergy.com.au
$ -
groceries This will depend on preferences, meat & fresh vegetables is more expensive $ 850.00 1 $ 850.00
www.woolworths.com.au
$ -
www.coles.com.au
$ -
telephone Telstra/optus line - link below to possible package offer $ 50.00 1 $ 50.00
Mobile phone contract varies from $30 to $100 - minimal charge will give you a good rate and cover approximate 100 minutes $ 30.00 1 $ 30.00
Broardband $ 30.00 1 $ 30.00
Help services offers.bigpond.com
$ -
Help services www.acma.gov.au
www.virginmobile.com.au
www.savvytel.com.au
telstra.com
www.optus.com.au
$ -
insurance House hold contents $ 100.00 1 $ 100.00
Vehicles vary from $800 to $2000 a year $ 66.67 1 $ 66.67
Special items - this all depends on what your after $ -
www.gio.com.au
www.nrma.com.au
www.quotesonline.com.au
$ -
www.ing.com.au
fuels Cost of Fuel varies during the week as it is deregulated - but varies from $1.20 to $1.50. Average mileage depends on your job and needs average is 20000km a year. $ 250.00 1 $ 250.00
Help services www.shell.com
$ -
medical aid You will need private medical aid. Link refers to a basic package to get started. Have a look and see how you go. $ 149.86 1 $ 149.86
www.hba.com.au
$ -
www.nib.com.au
$ -
www.hcf.com.au
foxtel Satalite TV, again an option (fees start at $36 upwards to $99) $ 99.00 1 $ 99.00
www.foxtel.com.au
$ -
school Public shooling is free but will include books, excursions etc. (Maybe $200 a year). Link below will provide you more on the schooling and differences between States $ 16.67 2 $ 33.33
Private schooling is available and will depend on needs and cost can vary from $2000 to $25000 p.a.
Help services www.edna.edu.au
$ -
Car Service Depends on make and model, and then A, B or C service. Link below will provide you with loads of information around running costs etc for vehicles in Australia. NRMA is Austalia's road side assist program too. $ 50.00 1 $ 50.00
Car registration Annual payment for registration and third party cover $ 62.50 1 $ 62.50
Help services www.mynrma.com.au
Entertainment Mc Donalds meal for 4 will be $25/$30
Dinner out at a nice resturant $100 up to $200 $ 150.00
Movies tickets approx $15 per person
www.menulog.com.au
www.greaterunion.com.au
I qualify for a parents visa and they have done some home work and prepared this information for us.
Let me make no bones about it that there are many aspects of the Australian way of life that I am not excited about. I have travelled a lot in my life and there is no perfect country. Life is a compromise.
At this “dark” moment in the life of SA you cannot compare the countries. All I can say if you can go, go.
Good luck
I am having problems pasting the excel sheet. It is good information and if you want the excel version PM me.
(Prices quoted relates to a family of 4 in a medium to large home) Monthly expenses 4626.34
Expense Descriptions Rates per month Quantity Value
Rent normally 1/10th of a percent property value per week (i.e. $450 000 value house = $450p/week) $ 1,890.00 1 $1,890.00
www.domain.com.au
www.realestate.com.au
www.myhome.com.au
car Price varies from $15k new upwards depending on your needs. Second hand can be from $500 upwards to $ 514.98 1 $ 514.98
www.drive.com.au
www.carsales.com.au
rates/e/w Tarrifs are available but depends on area etc. This is normally a quarerly account. Rates & Service is a separate account. All together plan for $250 to 300 a month in Sydney may well be lower in other cities. $ 300.00 1 $ 300.00
www.agl.com.au
www.truenergy.com.au
$ -
groceries This will depend on preferences, meat & fresh vegetables is more expensive $ 850.00 1 $ 850.00
www.woolworths.com.au
$ -
www.coles.com.au
$ -
telephone Telstra/optus line - link below to possible package offer $ 50.00 1 $ 50.00
Mobile phone contract varies from $30 to $100 - minimal charge will give you a good rate and cover approximate 100 minutes $ 30.00 1 $ 30.00
Broardband $ 30.00 1 $ 30.00
Help services offers.bigpond.com
$ -
Help services www.acma.gov.au
www.virginmobile.com.au
www.savvytel.com.au
telstra.com
www.optus.com.au
$ -
insurance House hold contents $ 100.00 1 $ 100.00
Vehicles vary from $800 to $2000 a year $ 66.67 1 $ 66.67
Special items - this all depends on what your after $ -
www.gio.com.au
www.nrma.com.au
www.quotesonline.com.au
$ -
www.ing.com.au
fuels Cost of Fuel varies during the week as it is deregulated - but varies from $1.20 to $1.50. Average mileage depends on your job and needs average is 20000km a year. $ 250.00 1 $ 250.00
Help services www.shell.com
$ -
medical aid You will need private medical aid. Link refers to a basic package to get started. Have a look and see how you go. $ 149.86 1 $ 149.86
www.hba.com.au
$ -
www.nib.com.au
$ -
www.hcf.com.au
foxtel Satalite TV, again an option (fees start at $36 upwards to $99) $ 99.00 1 $ 99.00
www.foxtel.com.au
$ -
school Public shooling is free but will include books, excursions etc. (Maybe $200 a year). Link below will provide you more on the schooling and differences between States $ 16.67 2 $ 33.33
Private schooling is available and will depend on needs and cost can vary from $2000 to $25000 p.a.
Help services www.edna.edu.au
$ -
Car Service Depends on make and model, and then A, B or C service. Link below will provide you with loads of information around running costs etc for vehicles in Australia. NRMA is Austalia's road side assist program too. $ 50.00 1 $ 50.00
Car registration Annual payment for registration and third party cover $ 62.50 1 $ 62.50
Help services www.mynrma.com.au
Entertainment Mc Donalds meal for 4 will be $25/$30
Dinner out at a nice resturant $100 up to $200 $ 150.00
Movies tickets approx $15 per person
www.menulog.com.au
www.greaterunion.com.au
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Originally Posted by gondwalla
even if SAA could get an abo off his arse ...
Back to the tread: It's a simple choice for the Saffas. Either you run the risk of pissing off a couple of Aussies or you run the risk of getting shot by the gun totting mad men who roam this country. I bet most would go for option one. Besides, two years down the line they would all be mates again and then stand together to try and keep the South American pilots out of Oz.
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I would say that the Gondwally has truly exposed himself as a xenophobe!
As with all phobias, a xenophobic person is aware of the fear, and therefore has to believe at some level that the target is in fact a foreigner.
This must be a terrible thing to try and live with....wouldn't want to see this character in a multi-cultural, multi-crew environment.
As with all phobias, a xenophobic person is aware of the fear, and therefore has to believe at some level that the target is in fact a foreigner.
This must be a terrible thing to try and live with....wouldn't want to see this character in a multi-cultural, multi-crew environment.