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Old 8th Nov 2007, 20:17
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What happens at altitude?

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As SLF I must admit it is comforting to know that there is skill + experience up front!!!

Does anybody know what effect altitude would have had on the incident? They could just as easily have lost the engine whilst taking off at JNB.
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Gotta agree, AWESOME job by all of the crew. Bet the party afterward was substantial.

As the engine largely around the centre of the wing, I would imagine little cg change. But would love to hear from the crew about the roll/yaw when it fell off.
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Flight 723: pilot praised for keeping calm

By Asa Sokopo and Henri Du Plessis

"From where I was sitting I could see that there wasn't an engine where there's supposed to be one and I thought s**t."

That is how a passenger aboard a Nationwide Boeing 737 described her panic after the aircraft lost its starboard engine during take-off at Cape Town International Airport on Wednesday.

The accident was described as "super rare" by a local aviation analyst, who said South African aviation was among the safest in the world.

Despite Wednesday's drama, passengers were queueing up on Thursday morning to board the first Nationwide flight out of Cape Town.

Ground staff at the check-in counter said there had been no cancellations, although official comment was not forthcoming at the time of going to press.

Nationwide flight CEP723 had just lifted taken for Johannesburg with 106 passengers aboard on Wednesday when the engine came adrift and fell to earth, landing close to the runway.

It is the second accident at the airport in less than a week. On Friday, an SAA Airbus got stuck with its nosewheel in thick sand after it veered off the runway while turning to head for the apron shortly after landing.

On Wednesday, shocked passengers hailed the Nationwide pilot as a hero as they emerged shaken, but uninjured after their ordeal.

The aircraft took off at about 3.50pm on Wednesday and made an emergency landing about 40 minutes later, after the right-hand engine had dislodged minutes after take off.

Passengers praised pilot Trevor Arnold and co-pilot Daniel Perry for "one of the smoothest landings, even with one engine".

After realising that the craft had lost an engine, Arnold ascended and jettisoned fuel over False Bay before heading back to the airport for an emergency landing, said the passengers.

They said he had told them to "remain calm" as "everything is under control".

Airports Company South Africa spokesperson Deidre Hendricks said fire and rescue personnel were alerted at 4.10pm.

She said the runway was "closed for approximately 10 minutes due to debris from a departing aircraft".

"The runway remained closed for the aircraft's return, which took place at approximately 4.28pm," Hendricks said.

The runway was re-opened about half an hour later.

Elvine Driver, who was sitting in a restaurant overlooking the runway when the Cape Argus arrived on the scene, said he was watching as the plane was taking off.

"As it was taking off, something dropped to the ground and made some sparks but the plane still slowly ascended," Driver said.

The atmosphere at the airport on Wednesday was thick with tension as passengers who were waiting for other flights were seen pointing at the three pieces of engine debris lying on the grass on one side of the runway.

The Nationwide passengers were all ushered into a hall at the back of the airport, behind security gates where counselling was said to have been provided.

A Cape Town-based frequent flyer and businesswoman, who declined to be named, said Nationwide was making alternative travel arrangements for them and moving the passengers around in groups of 10.

"I was sitting two seats ahead of the wing, right where the engine broke off," she said.

Fellow passenger Rose Molokwane, of Brits in Gauteng, said the plane was about 30 metres in the sky when parts of engine fell off.

"We just heard a bang and then an eerie silence. After a few seconds we could hear it stuttering," Molokwane said.

"From where I was sitting I could see that there wasn't an engine where there's supposed to be one and I thought s**t," she said.

Nationwide marketing and sales manager Charmaine Thome said on Thursday that the airline had begun its own investigation early on Thursday morning, after technical experts were given access to the plane and wrecked engine by the Civil Aviation Authority.

Aviation analyst Linden Birns said on Thursday that any one of a "million" things could have caused the incident.

"In real terms, airline safety has improved if you consider that while domestic flights had increased more than three-fold over the past two years, incident and accident figures have remained basically the same," he pointed out.

When the Cape Argus visited the airport this morning, it appeared to be operating normally.

Nationwide passengers slowly checked in their baggage "hoping for the best".

Passengers queued up to board the first Nationwide flight departing from Cape Town airport, at 9.40am, for Nelspruit via Johannesburg.

Matthew Morgan, who is travelling to Nelspruit, said: "Accidents happen and hopefully something like this won't happen again for a long while. I am hoping for the best".

A woman travelling to Johannesburg, who gave her name as Gugu, said she had seen the accident on TV news.

"I am nervous, but I had already booked and have a meeting to get to this afternoon." - Additional reporting by Andisiwe Makinana and Jade Witten

This article was originally published on page 1 of The Cape Argus on November 08, 2007
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Praise for pilot actions after engine falls

By Daily news correspondent

The pilot of the Nationwide Boeing 737, which made an emergency landing at Cape Town International Airport after one of its engines dislodged and crashed to the ground on Wednesday, has been hailed a hero by passengers, who emerged shaken, but uninjured, after the ordeal.

Flight CE723 took off from Cape Town International Airport at 3:50pm on Wednesday and made an emergency landing 40 minutes later, after the right-hand engine dislodged minutes after take-off.

The plane, carrying 106 passengers, was heading for Johannesburg.

Some of the passengers have hailed the pilot a hero after undertaking what they called "one of the smoothest landings, even with one engine".

The Daily News has established that the pilot was Daniel Perry. After realising the craft had lost an engine soon after take-off, Perry ascended and dumped fuel over False Bay before embarking on an emergency landing, said the passengers.

They said Perry had told them to "remain calm" as "everything is under control". A Cape Town businesswoman said: "I was sitting two seats ahead of the wing, right where the engine broke off."

Cape Town International Airport was the scene of another drama last week when an SAA Airbus overshot the main runway. - Daily News Correspondent

This article was originally published on page 1 of Daily News on November 08, 2007
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Well the Nationwide incident has made CNN. Unfortunately the further the news travels the more distorted it gets. And it's currently No1 on the most viewed list.

(CNN) -- Brendon Pelser said he saw pure terror in the faces of his fellow passengers after an engine fell from a wing as it took off from Cape Town, South Africa, Wednesday.
Men were sweating profusely, women were crying.
"There was fear on their faces," Pelser said. "Everyone started panicking."
But the pilot of Nationwide Airlines' Boeing 737 Flight CE723 was able to fly long enough to dump fuel and make an emergency landing at Cape Town International Airport.
Including crew, 100 hundred people were on the plane that departed at 3:50 p.m. on an hourlong flight to Johannesburg, South Africa. No one was injured.
The jet had only been in the air about 10 minutes before the engine fell.
"We heard something crash and bang, the plane veering left and right. A person on the right side said the engine was missing -- had broken clean off," said Pelser. Watch Pelser describe how the flight crew told passengers to "prepare for the worst" »
"They flew us in very slowly. We were all prepared for the worst. We went into the fetal position, head between the legs," he said. "Then we hit the runway."
"I did kind of pray. I didn't want to die. I'm not really ready to die," the 33-year-old said.
An object had been sucked into the engine as the nose wheel lifted from the ground and officials are trying to identify it.
The engine-to-wing supporting structure is designed to release an engine "when extreme forces are applied," to prevent structural damage to the wing, Nationwide said on its Web site.
The airline described the incident as a "catastrophic engine failure."
As the nose wheel lifted from the ground, "the captain heard a loud noise immediately followed by a yaw of the aircraft (sideways slippage) to the right," the airline said in a news release.
The flight instruments showed the No. 2 engine on the right side had failed, it said.
Pelser said he spent the night in Cape Town, then flew back to Johannesburg where he lives, on the same airline.
Nationwide said the engine had undergone a major overhaul in March 2005 at "an approved Federal Aviation Authority facility in the U.S.A." and had flown only 3,806 hours since then.
"These engines typically achieve 10,000 hours between major overhauls," Nationwide Airlines' press release stated.
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Old 9th Nov 2007, 05:51
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Maybe the engine sucked in bits of A340-600?
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Like the Skipper's ego?
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Old 9th Nov 2007, 06:48
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The engine ingested something and fell off???
Sorry - sounds like spin to me.
737-200 engines have ingested lots of things over the 40 odd years they've been flying but this is the first I've heard of a -200 engine just falling off!
Sounds more like metal fatigue or bad maintenance to me - so obviously Nationwide will want to pin this on something else. Nice try uncle Vern!
They were VERY lucky they had an experienced Captain at the controls...
And will someone please tell these friggin' journalists to do their research! A 737-200 CAN'T dump fuel. You either burn off fuel or land overweight.
But I guess they think "dumping" sounds more dramatic.

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Maybe the engine sucked in bits of A340-600
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excellent!!!
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What was the new landing weight minus one engine?

That engine must be a ton or so.
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sucked in bits of A340.....or another mango peel.....
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If I heard Linden Birns report yesterday correctly this is the 4th B732 to 'loose' an engine. The last one was in the 80's
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This was something that was going to happen rather sooner than later.

I have advised all my friends (read not ex mother-in-law) not to fly Nationwide because of the 'vrot' aeroplanes they fly.

Well done to the crew! Just another day at the "office", but not getting paid for it - sucks!
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Caa Website States All B727 Aircraft With P&w Jt8's Grounded Forthwith.
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From the CAA:
To All B727 series and DC9 series operators
To Whom It May Concern:
Sir/Madam,
Pratt and Whitney JT8 series engine mountings and supports
This is due to a recent incident of B737 fitted with the affected engine type, where engine separation occurred. The intention is to alleviate the possibility of re-occurrence of the incident, which might have a disastrous outcome, and this is in no way attest to, or and indication to the cause of the incident. There is and independent process which the SACAA has undertaken and the results of such might or might not affect this notice. The purpose of this notice is to assure Safety on the affected aircraft type fitted with the abovementioned engines operated with in the Republic.
Please be advised that the SACAA is currently in the process of developing an Emergency Airworthiness Directive to conduct a detailed visual inspection as per the NDT principles on the aircraft assemblies and subassemblies.
Confirm compliance to all applicable Airworthiness Directives and Service Bulletins related to engine and pylon mountings as well as support bolts as per the Manufacturer.
All operators will be notified as soon as the Emergency Airworthiness Directive has been issued.
Should you have any queries to above-mentioned matter please do not
hesitate to contact this Authority.
Airworthiness Inspector Large Aircraft
and
RSA AD No 07-002 Revision 1
Applicable to:
All Boeing 737-200 series aircraft fitted with Pratt and Whittney JT8D series.
Order in terms of the Aviation Act 74 of 1972:
Owners and operators of the abovementioned aircraft types issued with a certificate of airworthiness in terms of Part 21.01.4 and operating on an Aircraft Operating Certificate issued in terms of Part 121 of the South African Civil Aviation Regulations 1997, as amended are hereby advised that the grounding order issued, which prohibits the operation of these aircraft in the RSA until an acceptable level of safety can be demonstrated, shall remain in force subject to compliance with the conditions as laid down in the following paragraphs.
Affectivity:
This AD becomes effective on receipt and/or 09 November 2007, whichever
occurs earliest.
Summary:
This is due to a recent incident on the affected aircraft type, where engine separation from airframe attachment occurred. The intention of this Emergency Airworthiness Directive is to alleviate the possibility of reoccurrence of such incident, which might have a disastrous outcome, and this is in no way attests to, nor gives an indication to the cause of the incident. There is an independent process which the SACAA has undertaken and the results of which might or might not affect this Emergency Airworthiness Directive. The purpose of this Emergency Airworthiness Directive is to assure Safety on the affected aircraft type operated with in the Republic.
Compliance
A. Conduct a detailed visual inspection as per the NDTprinciples on the
following aircraft assemblies and subassemblies:
1. Inspect Airframe, specific to the Pylon attachments on the airframe.
2. Inspect the pylons, specific to the attachment bolts, nuts and where applicable riveting area, both to the engine and the airframe.
3. Inspect all the support beam and attachments, specifically on and around the pylon.
4. Inspect all the engine controls, including and specific to the Thrust reverser.

B. Confirm compliance to the following Airworthiness Directives and the Service Bulletins dependant on applicability as per the Manufacturer:
The following Airworthiness Directives:
1. AD Number 99-26-07 dealing with the Failure of the secondary support.
2. AD Number 98-14-09 dealing with the Forward engine mount support fitting.
3. AD Number 89-21-02 dealing with the Engine mount cone bolt nut.
The following Service Bulletins:
1. All the applicable Pylon specific service bulletins (There are 13 specific ATA Chapter 54 Bulletins as of the 9thof November 2007).
2. Service Bulletin number 737-71A1430
3. Service Bulletin number 737-71A1462
4. Service Bulletin number 737-71A1212
5. Service Bulletin number 737-71-1250
6. Service Bulletin number 737-71-1289
C. Carry out the following inspections:
I. Check the complete engine mount and support brackets using an xray method of inspection.
2. Inspect engine diaphragm plate in the vicinity of the engine mounting area for signs of fretting possibly indicating loss of or incorrect torque or mount interference.
3. Inspect airframe-threaded boss and ensure internal threads are not pulled or damaged. or show any other signs of distress.
4. Should the installation differ from abovementioned an alternate means of compliance must be requested.
5. Inspect all engine to mounting frame sandwich and other support rubber bushings for condition as well as the support bolts in this area and replace as necessary.

D. Notes:
Note a dual inspection of engine controls, and any other affected controls is mandatory. As well as the required certification in the applicable logbook and/or approved maintenance recording system of the maintenance performed during this inspection.
All positive and negative findings must be reported in writing to the CM airworthiness section. This must be a comprehensive report indicating all that is required. Once all required maintenance has been performed and the aircraft certified safe for flight. The Commissioner must be informed of such on the contactsprovidedbelow. .
Should an owner of one of the abovementioned type aircraft wish to submit an alternate method of compliance for consideration, which will achieve an acceptable level of safety, he/she may do so. This would be for consideration by the Senior manager Airworthiness and approval by the Commissioner for Civil Aviation, and therefore directed to the Senior Manager: Airworthiness on Fax number +2711 545 1013 or alternatively on e-mail: [email protected] or [email protected].
A special flight permit may be requested to position the aircraft to a maintenance facility where embodiment of the AD may be accomplished.
Compliance: Prior to further flight unless already accomplished.

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Just to correct the press who have once again got it wrong.

1.The Captain of the flight was TA not DP who was in fact the co-pilot.

2.A B737 does not have a fuel dump system.The fact that it was dumping fuel is another point all together.

Credit to a highly experienced and competent Captain and his crew on a job very well done in what is possibly one of the worst case scenarios on a B732.

This was NTWs second emergency into FACT this week - the previous incident involving a B727.
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What a load of rubbish you speak!!!
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Old 9th Nov 2007, 18:31
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What an inane first post on PPRuNe!
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More pics here, http://www.airdisaster.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=86647
How many cycles and hours did this aircraft got? Seem like it was sold to
Lufthansa as new and last previous operator was Croatian Airlines,
http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.p...ine=CE&al_op=1

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check your facts , Dan Perry has under 800 hours. great job , since "he" flew the aircraft during the emergency, ( manual reversion, no hydraulics ) he handed the aircraft to the Capt at 500 ft on final app. for the landing.(monitored approach)
Great job by both pilots
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