SACAA audit failure
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Oom Kaspaas, you said..
Well obviously not you. But a helluva lot of SAA passengers are gonna be mighty upset if their flights are cancelled due to the SACAA having possibly failed the audit and resulting in all aircraft licenced by it no longer being able to operate in FAA controlled airspace.
Worst case scenario? For sure. Possible? Yes.
who cares.
Worst case scenario? For sure. Possible? Yes.
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This might be slightly off the topic, but in your opinion, how long do you think SAA will/can be a member of the Star Alliance Group with the current situation it finds itself in?
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Apologies, I was referring to the financial situation. Will the Star Alliance network also bale them out (if they are asked to assist) as they did to Air Canada a few years back?
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We should all care
Apart from the obvious schadenfreude one experiences that those (mainly) incompetants, led by the (mostly) ignorant, have yet again failed to perform, we should all care beacause:-
The value of aircraft on our register takes a hit when reselling into the US;
Our licences internationally have even less value that they have at the moment;
While SAA (I understand) has an independent audit which keeps them flying, - - no more ZS aircraft into the USA- there goes the odd profitable charter;
We join the ever growing list of African states that "cannot make the grade";
Having just returned from the US, I found a definite change in the US FAA examiner's attitude. They have never taken any "crap" from pilot candidates, and they are now even more hard assed, I see a possiblity that no more extensions will be granted by the FAA;
While the result of the ICAO audit was a foregone conclusion, (politics, my dear chap - how could we EVER fail the Rainbow Nation, Africa's one "success" story), I fear the FAA attitude will be different. Thank heavens I hold an FAA as a backup.
Hey! , - if the FAA kicks the CAA in the nuts, does this mean we will have a basis to validate our licences ad infintum, (nauseum?) as the SA licence would be then pretty much useful only as a beer coaster? Remember the days one was proud to hold an SA licence in a setting with other crew?
What we should all be asking ourselves is this - why do I have to perform to a set international standard when the examiners are by and large, way below that?
Witness the CAA "senior" inspector who not only failed the 737 sim, but most recently the Embraer ground school.
Ground school you say with lifted eyebrows? Well yes, if this is true, the numbnuts who is inspecting and examining YOU cannot even pass a bloody ground school!
*Sigh* where does it all end?
The value of aircraft on our register takes a hit when reselling into the US;
Our licences internationally have even less value that they have at the moment;
While SAA (I understand) has an independent audit which keeps them flying, - - no more ZS aircraft into the USA- there goes the odd profitable charter;
We join the ever growing list of African states that "cannot make the grade";
Having just returned from the US, I found a definite change in the US FAA examiner's attitude. They have never taken any "crap" from pilot candidates, and they are now even more hard assed, I see a possiblity that no more extensions will be granted by the FAA;
While the result of the ICAO audit was a foregone conclusion, (politics, my dear chap - how could we EVER fail the Rainbow Nation, Africa's one "success" story), I fear the FAA attitude will be different. Thank heavens I hold an FAA as a backup.
Hey! , - if the FAA kicks the CAA in the nuts, does this mean we will have a basis to validate our licences ad infintum, (nauseum?) as the SA licence would be then pretty much useful only as a beer coaster? Remember the days one was proud to hold an SA licence in a setting with other crew?
What we should all be asking ourselves is this - why do I have to perform to a set international standard when the examiners are by and large, way below that?
Witness the CAA "senior" inspector who not only failed the 737 sim, but most recently the Embraer ground school.
Ground school you say with lifted eyebrows? Well yes, if this is true, the numbnuts who is inspecting and examining YOU cannot even pass a bloody ground school!
*Sigh* where does it all end?
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A ittle birdie told me......
A little CAA birdie with clipped wings alerted me to the rumour on Monday and confirmed yesterday that we had failed but the CAA was trying to get an extension..... the birdie's words were..." a downgrading may be on the cards"
Apparently the report was floating around the offices of Foggy Bottom, and when the powers that be, realised it, a **** fit was duly thrown with all and any copies hurriedly returned to a trustworthy officer's desk drawer......(probably never to be seen again) I can only hope against hope that it is not true......
Apparently the report was floating around the offices of Foggy Bottom, and when the powers that be, realised it, a **** fit was duly thrown with all and any copies hurriedly returned to a trustworthy officer's desk drawer......(probably never to be seen again) I can only hope against hope that it is not true......
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Interesting.................
CAA MEDIA STATEMENT
2 November 2007
FAA AUDIT RESULTS
The South African Civil Aviation Authority would like to confirm that the FAA audit final report has not yet been released. The rumours about the report being released are both false and malicious and can only seek to harm the reputation of South Africa.
Contact. Phindiwe Gwebu
Tel. 011 545 1086
Cell. 083 461 6070
[email protected]
CAA MEDIA STATEMENT
2 November 2007
FAA AUDIT RESULTS
The South African Civil Aviation Authority would like to confirm that the FAA audit final report has not yet been released. The rumours about the report being released are both false and malicious and can only seek to harm the reputation of South Africa.
Contact. Phindiwe Gwebu
Tel. 011 545 1086
Cell. 083 461 6070
[email protected]
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Harm the reputation?
Is she joking? Can our reputation get any worse? - mind you, thank heavens we have not sunk to the levels of the DRC, and hopefully never will.
So, do we believe her?
Note that she never said we passed, (I don't believe she can)the CAA birdie says CAA is trying to get an extension to "fix" the problem areas, witness the ads in the Sunday Times recently, are these part of the fix?
She says no fail,the guys in the CAA say fail, - dilemma dilemma, who do we believe?
So, if these rumours are causing speculation lady, get off the fence, say we passed or we did not, and we are negotiating with the FAA for a pass - (grading on the curve?) But don't expect us to believe you when you skirt the question (I see a career for you in the Department of Health!)
So, do we believe her?
Note that she never said we passed, (I don't believe she can)the CAA birdie says CAA is trying to get an extension to "fix" the problem areas, witness the ads in the Sunday Times recently, are these part of the fix?
She says no fail,the guys in the CAA say fail, - dilemma dilemma, who do we believe?
So, if these rumours are causing speculation lady, get off the fence, say we passed or we did not, and we are negotiating with the FAA for a pass - (grading on the curve?) But don't expect us to believe you when you skirt the question (I see a career for you in the Department of Health!)
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I'm sick and tired of the CAA being critisized (and rightfully so) due to incompetent selfcentered managers and HOO's. Competent CAA personnel are targetted and worked out of their positions....Whether by getting them suspended, fired or 'allowing' them to resign.....leaving voids and having young people running sections that need people with 20-30 years experience.
I know for a fact that the Zimbabwean (OBC) borrows money on a monthly basis (to help "finance" his other private ventures) from his sub-ordinates, but that he has the nerve to suspend hard-working CAA officers that might have stepped a little out of line.
A specific Head of Operations (AM) has blatantly cursed a client (a while back) and after a complaint was lodged with the CEO/Commissioner.......of course nothing happened.
I hope someone investigates the management and do something with these unworthy people. It is people like these tarnishing the good work that 70% of the CAA people are trying to deliver. This box is rotten from the top....not the bottom.
* I used abreviations so that the people that counts know who I am referring too.
I know for a fact that the Zimbabwean (OBC) borrows money on a monthly basis (to help "finance" his other private ventures) from his sub-ordinates, but that he has the nerve to suspend hard-working CAA officers that might have stepped a little out of line.
A specific Head of Operations (AM) has blatantly cursed a client (a while back) and after a complaint was lodged with the CEO/Commissioner.......of course nothing happened.
I hope someone investigates the management and do something with these unworthy people. It is people like these tarnishing the good work that 70% of the CAA people are trying to deliver. This box is rotten from the top....not the bottom.
* I used abreviations so that the people that counts know who I am referring too.
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B.Sousa, no, it holds a doctorate in aerodynamics, with 20,000 hours on jumbos and 3 different atpl's... Sad sorry state we're in at the moment... We actually miss the rottweilers that ran the organization a couple of years ago... the non-affirmative ones... At least they had the experience. Anyone knows the quickest way to get a FAA atpl? maybe a good idea to act in the next 45 days 
Sad sorry state we're in at the moment... We actually miss the rottweilers that ran the organization a couple of years ago... the non-affirmative ones... At least they had the experience. Anyone knows the quickest way to get a FAA atpl? maybe a good idea to act in the next 45 days
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Sadly, the SA CAA's credibility is even further reduced by a BS media release
Public Relations 101 is that if you have been caught with your panties around your ankles ... then admit your error and then explain what a wonderful revovery plan you have
OK, perhaps they dont really have a recovery plan so BS is the only option
If PG is a paid PR person I would be asking for my money back
Public Relations 101 is that if you have been caught with your panties around your ankles ... then admit your error and then explain what a wonderful revovery plan you have
OK, perhaps they dont really have a recovery plan so BS is the only option
If PG is a paid PR person I would be asking for my money back