DRC Presidential Aircraft Attached at FALA
FR&ASS
Allow me to save everyone a lot of trouble. Here is the history of 9Q-CLK to which you refer.
VH-EBG
Whilst this may be the most comprehensive history of this aeroplane available anywhere, it must be noted that it is based on the best available information. This information may or may not be correct. Also please note that whilst the contractor's website does carry an authorised link to this history, the history itself is not hosted on the contractor's website.
Good luck with your endeavours.
Regards
Allow me to save everyone a lot of trouble. Here is the history of 9Q-CLK to which you refer.
VH-EBG
Whilst this may be the most comprehensive history of this aeroplane available anywhere, it must be noted that it is based on the best available information. This information may or may not be correct. Also please note that whilst the contractor's website does carry an authorised link to this history, the history itself is not hosted on the contractor's website.
Good luck with your endeavours.
Regards
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I get access to the site on www.faaircraft-interiors.************* but you can use the link that Fris B. Fairing suggests, but then you miss the pictures of the now revamped interior. You can also try by searching 9Q-CLK on Google. Fris B. Fairing is correct in suggesting that however this is publicly the most up to date information, the real ownership lies with the underlying cause or contract that leads to the information being verifiable or not. Thus should you inspect the documents, one finds that this 707 was sold by a Bank in USA by way of a contract to the DRC, as the available document verifies. The problem that the contractor has by using this particular link on his web page/blog is that he underwrites the information as it appears as being correct. Or, especially with pending court cases relating to ownership, he should not place such a link. But if he does, at least distance him from information, on his supplied link, that can or may be misleading. Alternatively it must then surely indicate that this information is correct. A further quick test would be, who gave the instructions for the refurbishing to be done? I guess this is normally the owner (I would never refurbish anybodies aircraft unless I have a stake in it). Who paid/pays for it? If you get paid at all. Makes one think. I just thought it would be a great idea to bring a little more reality into the normally 'dull' South African day. Hope you enjoy it, thanks for the support.
I get access to the site on www.faaircraft-interiors.************* but you can use the link that Fris B. Fairing suggests, but then you miss the pictures of the now revamped interior. You can also try by searching 9Q-CLK on Google. Fris B. Fairing is correct in suggesting that however this is publicly the most up to date information, the real ownership lies with the underlying cause or contract that leads to the information being verifiable or not. Thus should you inspect the documents, one finds that this 707 was sold by a Bank in USA by way of a contract to the DRC, as the available document verifies. The problem that the contractor has by using this particular link on his web page/blog is that he underwrites the information as it appears as being correct. Or, especially with pending court cases relating to ownership, he should not place such a link. But if he does, at least distance him from information, on his supplied link, that can or may be misleading. Alternatively it must then surely indicate that this information is correct. A further quick test would be, who gave the instructions for the refurbishing to be done? I guess this is normally the owner (I would never refurbish anybodies aircraft unless I have a stake in it). Who paid/pays for it? If you get paid at all. Makes one think. I just thought it would be a great idea to bring a little more reality into the normally 'dull' South African day. Hope you enjoy it, thanks for the support.
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http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...umbertxt=707SK
Show the de-registration of what became 9Q-CLK
Show the de-registration of what became 9Q-CLK
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Update on 9Q-CLK.
Yesterday the most amazing thing happened again in court with the attachment case of EO and the DRC. The judge relied on one piece of so called "evidence" and made, without the leading of any evidence to substantiate, his finding that the aircraft belongs to the estate of Laurent Kabila. Great, another appeal. But this was still alright, it seems that this has now become the norm of court cases in South Africa.
However today at around three the DRC government's pilots decided that they obviously have had enough. They got into the plain took of and left into the horizon with the undercarriage down.
This now begs quite a few questions: Who gave them permission to leave while the aircraft is still under attachment? What is the involvement of the ATC? What did the Sheriff do to prevent this? Or what role did he play?
Surely the lawyers of the DRC know the rules and regulations concerning an attachment? How is it possible for an aircraft that is not airworthy to be allowed to leave Lanseria? And so the list of anomalies continues.
This little exercise has now taken a new turn and it will be extremely interesting to see how this is going to pan out. So readers when you happen to spot a ugly brown 707 with registration number 9Q-CLK any where in the world, please remind the occupants that the aircraft 'might' be stolen.......
Yesterday the most amazing thing happened again in court with the attachment case of EO and the DRC. The judge relied on one piece of so called "evidence" and made, without the leading of any evidence to substantiate, his finding that the aircraft belongs to the estate of Laurent Kabila. Great, another appeal. But this was still alright, it seems that this has now become the norm of court cases in South Africa.
However today at around three the DRC government's pilots decided that they obviously have had enough. They got into the plain took of and left into the horizon with the undercarriage down.
This now begs quite a few questions: Who gave them permission to leave while the aircraft is still under attachment? What is the involvement of the ATC? What did the Sheriff do to prevent this? Or what role did he play?
Surely the lawyers of the DRC know the rules and regulations concerning an attachment? How is it possible for an aircraft that is not airworthy to be allowed to leave Lanseria? And so the list of anomalies continues.
This little exercise has now taken a new turn and it will be extremely interesting to see how this is going to pan out. So readers when you happen to spot a ugly brown 707 with registration number 9Q-CLK any where in the world, please remind the occupants that the aircraft 'might' be stolen.......
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Just as a warning, if anybody is approached by one Jean Jacque de Mabuluki Ngoy (aka Papi Kasimbi) under no cricumstances trust him to engadge in recovering debt in DRC. He has recently screwed a good mate and is bad news and in huge debt of his own in Zambia and DRC...
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Frans, the suggestions posted by Satboss actually had merit. I am not surprised at what happened. Some three years ago an AN12 was grounded at ORTIA. Owner/operator had been deported from SA a number of times only to re-appear a week after each deportation and continue his illiegal operations. It was operated by Volga Atlantic. When news broke that the aircraft had been grounded world-wide by Antonov themselves in 1990 already, the SACAA then "arrested" the aircraft and parked it on 09 at JIA/ORTIA. The aircraft stood a week, the owner still taking money from potential charterers with an excuse as to the aircrafts whereabouts, etc. I myself spoke to the owner enquiring where his aircraft was as there was work waiting for it and had him assure me, telephonically, that his aircraft was in Luanda. This while I was at ORTIA looking at his aircraft! Anyway, two days after this and some eight days after the impounding of the aircraft, it disappeared! Turns out an official from the CAA actually drove to Lanseria and in front of others who witnessed this handed the owner a Foreign Operators Permit to allow him to remove the aircraft. The aircraft had been registered in Burundi and left JIA/ORTIA for Bujumbura where these same dicey operators continued to operate. Last I heard the aircraft had been arrested in the DRC, then it again disappeared. Anyway, the point of the above story is, these guys operated without an AOC on FOP's in SA for about 10 years. They dominated the market because they were not subjected to the same scrutiny the SA operators were. They did no maintenance and were not insured. This allowed them to undercut everybody else. When they eventually left they took a lot of peoples money with them and failed to perform the services they had been paid for. The operator boasted to me , one night while he was drunk, that he was former KGB, and had been based in Maputo for the former Soviet Union during the National Party government days in SA. He then went on to tell me about the Russian Ambassedor being on his payroll including some prominent ANC government officials, which included a well known lady in the Minister of Transports office and also included the then minister of National Intelligence in SA. That is how he operated illegally and came back into the country at will after deportation. I am willing to give you odds of 1000 to 1 that you have just experienced this same type of corruption involving the justice department, the SACAA and the Dept of Transport. This is the New South African way of late. The corruption goes all the way to the top. That is how this B707 departed FALA and was not stopped or had any questions asked at all. After all, when the sherrif of the court attached the aircraft he would have notified ATC and they would have prevented any departure unless the crew or someone else presented some documentation to convince them it was legal for the aircraft to depart. I wonder if FAAircraft Interiors were paid before this aircraft left? Now you understand what I meant in an earlier post about trying to get money owed to me out of the Nigerian government and Equatorial Guinea.
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Below is from my post of 27 Sept !!
"Nice looking 707 you got there
As a matter of interest, what is stopping the pilots lighting the fires and heading off, even though FALA tower would not give them clearance, I mean we are talking DRC here !"
Was there not something that could have been done to prevent this
"Nice looking 707 you got there
As a matter of interest, what is stopping the pilots lighting the fires and heading off, even though FALA tower would not give them clearance, I mean we are talking DRC here !"
Was there not something that could have been done to prevent this
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Parrot I saw your earlier post and yes you were right. Unfortunately, when one attaches an aircraft today you need to remove engines and make the aircraft unflyable. This is the way Africa works, unfortunately. You cannot trust the authorities to do what they are appointed and paid to do. Wait until I tell you how these foreign Africans dont pay in full according to signed agreements. You refuse to perform until they do, as per the contract, only to be woken at home at midnight by 3 black police officials who arrest you, hold you for 48 hrs in the cells, apply to the courts for permission to hold you longer, eventually get brought before the court, get bail and have another 8 months of hell while the case is continually postponed for "further investigation". This on a monthly or bi-monthly basis. The first white (the control prosecutor)who see's the docket, loses his cool at what has happened, by this time you're some R30,000 out of pocket on bail and legal fee's, gives instructions to the prosecutor to withdraw the case. He then also tells me how the "in thing" now is to go to a black policeman and allege someone owes you money, if he(the policeman) helps get the money back they will give him a percentage. He has a group of buddies, including a prosecutor, working with him. At tax payers cost, they have blue uniforms, cars, police cells and the courts to try and extort money out of the innocent for these crooks. I had this exact experience. Last year in Doha I met a lady who was a prosecutor in Durban. She tells me about an SAA pilot who sold a microlight to an individual(whiteguy) who damaged the wingtip and then demanded his money back and the deal cancelled. When the SAA guy would'nt play ball the "complainant" elected to go the above-mentioned route to get his money back. Fortunately this lady(An Asian) was brought in by the victims lawyer and justice prevailed. She was also aware of this particular tactic. The reason I mention the races involved is to show it is reaching epidemic proportions and all races are now playing this game. I will no longer rely on nor trust the SA courts nor the SAPS. I now take care of my problems my way. My 45ACP is under my pillow at night. The next time I have police officials force entry into my property like these jokers did and refuse to identify themselves I do not guarentee they will remain unharmed. Frans, watch out for this tactic and any contract operators take note of this too.
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Thank you again for all the support. The problem we all have boils down to one issue, and that is if we agree that there is no 'rule of law', what do we do. Bearing in mind that this determines the future of how we are going to operate. If it is found that the government of the day turns a blind eye to the lawlessness and even worse are found to be participating in it. Then we really need to rethink our position in South Africa.
Thank you again for all the support. The problem we all have boils down to one issue, and that is if we agree that there is no 'rule of law', what do we do. Bearing in mind that this determines the future of how we are going to operate. If it is found that the government of the day turns a blind eye to the lawlessness and even worse are found to be participating in it. Then we really need to rethink our position in South Africa.
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I agree with you 100%. As indicated in my last post this happened to me and it has happened to a number of other people I have met. I was shown an internal memo from the Minister of Safety and Security addressed to all SAPS station commanders specifically addressing this tendency and yet I have an uncle in the SAPS with the rank of Director who assures me this is still happening. Daily. The criminals in blue are like all criminals, they are scoff-laws at best. The one notion the ANC government has never quite got the hang of, is that you cannot blithely pass new laws and hope this will solve the problem. They seem to work on the premise that, when in doubt pass a law. They are permanently in doubt if you look at the new laws rolling out of the sausage machine! Unfortunately, no-one applies those laws. Think it was FD Roosevelt who said "it is not the severity of the punishment which acts as a deterrrent, but rather the certainty of punishment". Criminals flock to SA because the certainty they have is they can get away with it. We really need to seriously re-evaluate what we can do and what our options are.
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9q-clk Drc Government Boeing
It is known that the RDC Congo Gouvernment thrives on bribery and corruption, as well as exploiting the mineral wealth of this country, a selected elite few enrich themselves and the fact that the people in South-Africa battled to get the certified ownership documents of the Boeing 707, registered as 9Q-CLK is clear that these corrupt government officials will commit any means of fraud to ensure that the attachment is proven wrong, the refurbishment with gold-plated interior is another shameful disgusting way the ordinary congolese citizens is mistreated by these government officials.
The RDC Gouvernment has lots of enemies in the businessworld internationally after they exploited these companies and refused to pay them, the RDC Gouvernment never respects any form of justice and no matter what application any of these companies might bring against the RDC Gouvernment even obtaining judgements like Mr.Rootman will never be respected by this corrupt supose to be government, whatever you do Mr.Rootman know this that the RDC Gouvernment is corrupt and will never pay you, the advantage they have in Afrique du Sud is that the gouvernment in Sud Africa has bi-lateral protocols signed with the corrupt RDC Gouvernment and will protect them even in your country no matter if they even will ,,interfere,, with your justice systeme, it is scandalous that Mr.Rootman were denied justice that aircraft is the property of the RDC Congo Gouvernment, it is a scandal that the justice systyme in sud-africa is also so corrupt, Mr.Rootman we the congolese pray that you will get justice by some way and pray for us that these corrupt gouvernment might be exposed of all their criminal deeds.
The RDC Gouvernment has lots of enemies in the businessworld internationally after they exploited these companies and refused to pay them, the RDC Gouvernment never respects any form of justice and no matter what application any of these companies might bring against the RDC Gouvernment even obtaining judgements like Mr.Rootman will never be respected by this corrupt supose to be government, whatever you do Mr.Rootman know this that the RDC Gouvernment is corrupt and will never pay you, the advantage they have in Afrique du Sud is that the gouvernment in Sud Africa has bi-lateral protocols signed with the corrupt RDC Gouvernment and will protect them even in your country no matter if they even will ,,interfere,, with your justice systeme, it is scandalous that Mr.Rootman were denied justice that aircraft is the property of the RDC Congo Gouvernment, it is a scandal that the justice systyme in sud-africa is also so corrupt, Mr.Rootman we the congolese pray that you will get justice by some way and pray for us that these corrupt gouvernment might be exposed of all their criminal deeds.
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You seem to know more than what meets the eye. My offer that I made earlier in the thread still stands, so if you have information please feel free to contact me.
$$$
You seem to know more than what meets the eye. My offer that I made earlier in the thread still stands, so if you have information please feel free to contact me.
$$$
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Jamex, your earlier recount of the AN-12, the individual concerned, his modus operandi, and his contacts and political influence (and partners) is perfectly correct, and that is 100% how is was/still is, except I think that one AN-12 is no more since it crashed in the DRC and another destroyed undercarriage at Entebbe in Uganda.
His operation based in Goma (DRC) is called Mango Air (wonder if its related to Mango SA?)
Hear rumours that he is considering and attempting again to bring IL-76 to SA to operate out of JNB (on FOP sytem).
But the irony, after all the deportation orders over all these many years - this gentleman still resides in South Africa, in exactly the same abode as he has done for the past 10 years.
SA is vrot!
His operation based in Goma (DRC) is called Mango Air (wonder if its related to Mango SA?)
Hear rumours that he is considering and attempting again to bring IL-76 to SA to operate out of JNB (on FOP sytem).
But the irony, after all the deportation orders over all these many years - this gentleman still resides in South Africa, in exactly the same abode as he has done for the past 10 years.
SA is vrot!
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The DRC Minister of Transport was very recently fired for his incompetence and failure to manage and control the/his Civil Aviation function and responsibilities. Perhaps he has a bone to pick and motive for revenge.
Perhaps he is not a bad candidate to be in contact with and speaking to.
Some of the DRC CAA authorities are also very "co-operative" and for a few dollars, new country of residence, and some plastic surgery might also be prepared to help you!
The DRC Minister of Transport was very recently fired for his incompetence and failure to manage and control the/his Civil Aviation function and responsibilities. Perhaps he has a bone to pick and motive for revenge.
Perhaps he is not a bad candidate to be in contact with and speaking to.
Some of the DRC CAA authorities are also very "co-operative" and for a few dollars, new country of residence, and some plastic surgery might also be prepared to help you!
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AWA!
Africa Wins Again.
"Steal the aircraft, fly it to a civilized country with laws" attach it on landing and see what happens.
"Steal the aircraft" total it in a civilized country on landing - the order is made & stands - get the insurance money
I live in Canada now, fact of the matter is that no K
fr country ever worked, nor ever will, nor ever shall.
A guy three houses away from me in Canada lost $140,000.00 in a 401K scam in Nigeria, I warned the stupid fool that he will get burnt, he flew to Lagos, met the Minister of education and had to listen to his sad tale .... of an only uncle ....
Well I chuckled ...... sorry guys but these are moot points, Africa is Africa and that's the way it is
"Steal the aircraft, fly it to a civilized country with laws" attach it on landing and see what happens.
"Steal the aircraft" total it in a civilized country on landing - the order is made & stands - get the insurance money
I live in Canada now, fact of the matter is that no K
fr country ever worked, nor ever will, nor ever shall.A guy three houses away from me in Canada lost $140,000.00 in a 401K scam in Nigeria, I warned the stupid fool that he will get burnt, he flew to Lagos, met the Minister of education and had to listen to his sad tale .... of an only uncle ....
Well I chuckled ...... sorry guys but these are moot points, Africa is Africa and that's the way it is
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Frans, I have an offer to make you, take care of expenses and I will go to the DRC and meet with the individual mentioned by AAL as I am sure this guy can and most likely will give all the info you need. Then I suggest a big enough stink be made in the local media and the guilty authorities in SA be made to live uncomfortably for a while. I know this will only be until the next dramatic happening diverts attention but its worth a try. At least also makes other aware of whats going on and gives anyone contemplating doing business with African governments food for thought. I have lost a lot of money and an aircraft to African thieves. Its time to stop the rot and get back what is owing to us or at least limit further damage. Another famous quote from Roosevelt "in order for evil to succeed it needs only that good men do nothing." Obvious proviso I would make is my identity must remain confidential. PM me if interested.