Crime Stats. : Rsa

[ERASER]

For pilots wishing to work in SA.

Crime stats : RSA total - Released by SA Gov.

Murder
01/02 21750
02/03 21500
03/04 20000
04/05 19000
05/06 18500
06/07 19250

House robbery
02/03 9000
03/04 9250
04/05 9500
05/06 10000
06/07 12750

Robbery (Business)
02/03 5500
03/04 3500
04/05 3250
05/06 4500
06/07 6750

Robbery (Bank)
01/02 350
02/03 125
03/04 50
04/05 50
05/06 50
06/07 175

Rape
01/02 54250
02/03 52500
03/04 52750
04/05 55000
05/06 54900
06/07 52500

Car hi jacking
01/02 16000
02/03 14750
03/04 13750
04/05 12500
05/06 12750
06/07 13500

APR 06 – APR 07
House robberies up 25,4%
Murder up 2,4%
Burglary (Business) up 52,5%
Indecent assault down 5,5%
Cash in Transit robbery up 7,6%
Rape down 5,2%
Car hi jacking up 6,0%
Attempted murder down 3,0

Worst / safest suburbs in Gauteng area;
Johannesburg
Worst : Booysens, Sandton, Hillbrow
Safest : Fairland, Rosebank, Brixton

East Rand
Worst : Primrose, Tsakane, Bedfordview
Safest : Dunnottar, Nigel, Heidelberg

North Rand
Worst : Tembisa, Ivory park, Midrand
Safest : Sebenza, Norkem park, Edenvale

Wes Rand
Worst : Roodepoort, Honeydew, Krugersdorp
Safest : Magaliesburg, Carletonville, Khutsong

Vaal-Rand
Worst : Evaton, Orange farm, De Deur
Safest : Boipatong, Die Barrange, Kliprivier

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[FatFlaps]

Edenvale in the North Rand???!!!

[Q4NVS]

I am not a pesimist, but I think in comparison the numbers speak for themselves.

Ever considered the WAR in Iraq?

Well, for a similar period i.e. April 2006 to March 2007:

Iraqi Security Forces and Civilian Deaths = 23731
Military Fatalities (All Forces i.e. US, UK and Other) = 968
Total = 24699

SA Fatalities (Murders) = 77.9% of Iraq War

So YES, we are at WAR...!

http://icasualties.org/oif/

[I.R.PIRATE]

would love to see how many of these crimes are perpetrated by scum from outside SA.

[AAL]

A couple of years ago the world came in uproar about a small handful of farm murders (7 or 8?) in Zimbabwe. This barbarism was not acceptable and "The World" put their foot down and we all know the consequences today.

Yet the low intensity war and "genocide" thats happening in South Africa bothers nobody?

The world is a peculiar place. Would be interesting to hear the take of others about this!

[superserong]

The war at home

Shocking and sad. On the lighter side. I tried to get more life and loss of license insurance a while back. The broker told me that I wasn't insurable, as I was on contract in AFG at the time. I later found out that the deaths for that year (including war cassualties) were around 4000. Nearly laughed myself into a fit when I saw 1life advertising 1million cover for women below 30 for some real small installment. The sobering bit is, I guess, shes in more constant and actual danger than I am when I'm poling in some civil war somewhere. What makes the hair on the back of my neck stand is, I'm having the same conversations with my friends and family these days that my Zimbo mates were having 15years ago. I just hope it doesn't go down that road...dont really know what to do other than hope.
Keep it up there!
ps. if anyone knows of a cool place to get decent life/license insurance, please pm.

[Heli_Sticktime]

And.....you can be guaranteed those figures have been watered down, a huge amount of crime is not even reported in SA as there's no bloody point. No-one ever does anything about it. Half the "new" cops can't read, write, drive a car etc etc.

[cavortingcheetah]

Mind you though, one can remember the time when the 'old' cops at Sandton were presented with eight, perhaps seven, BMW 535s by BMW/ZA.
From vague memory, they succeeded in crashing five in the first week.

[james ozzie]

Murders up & attempted muders down by the same percent - does these mean the baddies are getting more effective??

[nugpot]

Murders up & attempted muders down by the same percent - does these mean the baddies are getting more effective??

More likely that the hospitals and ambulance services are getting less effective.....

[Gigajoules]

Q4NVS, I don't want to downplay the numbers (they are shocking) but the comparison with Iraq doesn't quite hold. Iraq has a population of roughly 26.7 million, which means the death rate per 100 000 for Iraqi civilians and security forces is approximately 89. SA, with a population of roughly 45 million has a death rate per 100 000 people of roughly 43 per 100 000 people due to murders. So, while not quite as dangerous as Iraq it is unacceptably high!!!!

Cry, the beloved country.....

[oerlikon]

So you're comparing SA with Iraq? That country is involved in a war, we're the rainbow nation, the builders of the future. We are a country that is at at peace more than any other country apart from Switzerland. You cannot compare deaths due to civil war to those in a peaceful, stable society, which is what we supposedely live in. If our statistics show a higher death toll it is through violent crime and nothing else.

Bring back the death penalty, and show criminals there is no tolerance of them, regardless of who they are or where they're from.

[Happydays]

Even better than the death penalty....shoot the savages on the crime scene, and make sure you kill them.

[congoman]

I believe it is your CIVIC DUTY to blow away an intruder if you catch him in your house. If you get all soft and ethical and NOT do this - he will surely murder/rape your neighbours family somewhere down the road.
So do the neighbourly thing and stop the criminal in his tracks. There will also be less pressure on the legal system. Courts wont be as clogged. Fewer political appeals for their buddies in over-crowded prisons (like we really give a s***t if the criminals are claustraphobic!)
Less taxpayers money spent on giving them 3 meals/day a bed to sleep on, clothes, TV and a library - while the poor victims family get NOTHING!
How would you feel if your neighbour had the oppertunity to end this cycle - and didn't. And your family gets wiped out because of his "so-called" morals about not shooting etc,etc. How would you feel then?
Don't leave it to the government to bring back the death penalty - they wont. We'll have to!
So if you ever get the oppertunity - be an upstanding responsible citizen and blow the criminal away! It's the RIGHT THING TO DO.

[AAL]

Congoman, your opinion and attitude is quite obviously the only solution!

Problem is that the shooter who acts in self defence, regardless that he is the victim, then ends up in the very same overfull, cramped and clausterphobic prisons you describe where he is guaranteed to receive the mandatory in-house AIDS death sentence.

Only in South Africa do criminals have more rights than honest hardworking law abiding citizens.

In your lament you forgot to mention that apart from the stuffy and overcrowded but otherwise very comfortable conditions, prisoners also receive a monthly financial allowance for their personal use - all this at the cost of their victims and taxpayers.

What a country! - Bring back the death sentence !

In the mean time all those countries and people who propogated and forced these diabolical changes in South Africa - should at vey least hang their heads in shame - otherwise take an active and clear position to force the intransigent South African government to do something about this carnage - in the same way they did about Zimbabwe at the time of a few handful deaths during the land invasions.

[nugpot]

He never said that you have to tell anybody about the criminal you just wasted...............

[JetNut]

prisoners also receive a monthly financial allowance for their personal use - all this at the cost of their victims and taxpayers.

Criminals in our prison system are not the only one's being sponsored by the taxpayer. Criminals in SAA management are also sponsored by the taxpayer....its a sad, sad state of affairs. Where the new generation of SAA pilots have to deal with all this crap, whilst the the over-60 year olds who initially propogated the state of affairs we find ourselves in, have moved on to open up another airline at the expense of the SA taxpayer.

[nugpot]

JetNut, do you have to poison every thread with your anti-SAA drivel?

Don't you have any loyalty to the company that pays your inflated salary?

[JetNut]

JetNut, do you have to poison every thread with your anti-SAA drivel?

Don't you have any loyalty to the company that pays your inflated salary?

Thats where you got me very wrong mate. My posts reveal my loyalty to the SAA pilot fraternity. What bugs me to the core is when the people in charge of managing a promising airline mess it up terribly and then proceed to pay themselves fat bonuses for screwing up.

This is the only place I can vent my frustrations, so give me a break. What else can I do apart from fly this company's aircraft safely into the middle of Africa and back with 20 passengers?

Oh, and by the way....what inflated salaries?

[Q4NVS]

What else can I do apart from fly this company's aircraft safely into the middle of Africa...

Maybe start your own SAA thread...