Crime Stats. : Rsa
I don't know how accurate the statistics are, but most of the SA pilots I work with have some one close to them who has been the victim of violent crime. Two murders in the last six months alone. No wonder so many of you are trying to get out.
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Sadly here is another stat. A little closer to home?
10111 don't answer these days apparently.
SAA pilot, wife attacked
11/07/2007 08:29 - (SA)
SAA pilot Nico Grobler, 52, recovers in hospital after being attacked by robbers in his bedroom.
Christel Raubenheimer, Beeld
Pretoria - An SAA captain is in hospital with a bullet wound after robbers attacked him and his wife on Tuesday - for the second time in four days in a "safe" security complex in Pretoria.
Thieves also broke into Nico Grobler, 52, and his wife Poppet's house on Friday and stole her television set.
Two armed men attacked the couple in their bedroom in Mooikloof Gardens about 02:00 on Tuesday.
"One of them seemed to be having trouble cocking his gun and I charged at him," said Grobler from his hospital bed in Pretoria East Hospital.
A shot went off and hit Grobler in the leg.
In the pandemonium Grobler closed the bedroom door and locked it, keeping the robbers out. His wife wasn't injured.
Couple overpowered in bedroom
Grobler got up about two hours earlier, after their two Jack Russels started barking furiously. The two dogs can get out from the garage, but a door between the garage and the house was locked.
Grobler investigated when the dogs continued barking.
"They desperately wanted get inside the house, which they don't normally do," he said.
At least two robbers must already have been on the premises at the time. They broke open the back door, sneaked into the house and overpowered the couple in their bedroom.
That's when Grobler overpowered the robber while he was struggling with his gun.
"I don't know why I charged at them. My action was triggered by him battling with his gun. I couldn't just sit and wait for him to fix the gun," said Grobler.
The robbers grabbed Mrs Grobler's handbag on their way out.
Armed burglaries increased by 25%
"10111 (the police emergency number) failed to answer and I was sitting in the bathroom, bleeding.
"I called the head of the complex's security and the guard at the gate and eventually the police arrived. The robbers must still have been inside the complex, because there's no way out. And it is supposed to be safe inside," said Grobler.
He would probably be discharged from hospital on Wednesday.
Armed burglaries have increased by 25% over the past year, according to the latest police statistics.
The couple already had a 2,4m wall surrounding their house and on Tuesday had an alarm system installed in addition.
Grobler has been a pilot with SAA for the past 29 years. "It's a flesh wound. It didn't hit the bone. I will still be able to fly.
"I'm scared and angry. This is the second incident in four days inside a security complex," he said.
10111 don't answer these days apparently.
SAA pilot, wife attacked
11/07/2007 08:29 - (SA)
SAA pilot Nico Grobler, 52, recovers in hospital after being attacked by robbers in his bedroom.
Christel Raubenheimer, Beeld
Pretoria - An SAA captain is in hospital with a bullet wound after robbers attacked him and his wife on Tuesday - for the second time in four days in a "safe" security complex in Pretoria.
Thieves also broke into Nico Grobler, 52, and his wife Poppet's house on Friday and stole her television set.
Two armed men attacked the couple in their bedroom in Mooikloof Gardens about 02:00 on Tuesday.
"One of them seemed to be having trouble cocking his gun and I charged at him," said Grobler from his hospital bed in Pretoria East Hospital.
A shot went off and hit Grobler in the leg.
In the pandemonium Grobler closed the bedroom door and locked it, keeping the robbers out. His wife wasn't injured.
Couple overpowered in bedroom
Grobler got up about two hours earlier, after their two Jack Russels started barking furiously. The two dogs can get out from the garage, but a door between the garage and the house was locked.
Grobler investigated when the dogs continued barking.
"They desperately wanted get inside the house, which they don't normally do," he said.
At least two robbers must already have been on the premises at the time. They broke open the back door, sneaked into the house and overpowered the couple in their bedroom.
That's when Grobler overpowered the robber while he was struggling with his gun.
"I don't know why I charged at them. My action was triggered by him battling with his gun. I couldn't just sit and wait for him to fix the gun," said Grobler.
The robbers grabbed Mrs Grobler's handbag on their way out.
Armed burglaries increased by 25%
"10111 (the police emergency number) failed to answer and I was sitting in the bathroom, bleeding.
"I called the head of the complex's security and the guard at the gate and eventually the police arrived. The robbers must still have been inside the complex, because there's no way out. And it is supposed to be safe inside," said Grobler.
He would probably be discharged from hospital on Wednesday.
Armed burglaries have increased by 25% over the past year, according to the latest police statistics.
The couple already had a 2,4m wall surrounding their house and on Tuesday had an alarm system installed in addition.
Grobler has been a pilot with SAA for the past 29 years. "It's a flesh wound. It didn't hit the bone. I will still be able to fly.
"I'm scared and angry. This is the second incident in four days inside a security complex," he said.
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It is indeed sobering to read through this thread and note the rather uncomfortable statistics that accompany it. However with the world's eyes trained onto South Africa in just a few years time what will you do for the World Cup 2010...? With the mass of supporters flying in from every corner of the globe bringing plenty of cash and engaging in lots of drinking won't they attract all the criminals as easy targets?
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Dear Boogie-nicey, and our fellow industry mates,
At this stage as the broader public we are less concerned about hosting the 2010 football world cup and the sport enthusiasts that will come here to watch. Events such as those are money making rackets anyway and no matter what we have to say the world will be spun a story to reassure visitors about their safety while here.
We are more concerned about our own and the safety of our loved one's. It is not just a story and sour grapes at the new government in power in South Africa. We are very seriously concerned about the safety situation in South Africa and government's clearly ineptitude and lack of will to prevent and stop this carnage. At the rate that things are going here it is anybody's guess where matters are going to end up in the near future.
We need friends and reasonable people to bring this situation of our plight to the attention of the world and seek pressure and awareness to bring about change and make a difference.
At this stage as the broader public we are less concerned about hosting the 2010 football world cup and the sport enthusiasts that will come here to watch. Events such as those are money making rackets anyway and no matter what we have to say the world will be spun a story to reassure visitors about their safety while here.
We are more concerned about our own and the safety of our loved one's. It is not just a story and sour grapes at the new government in power in South Africa. We are very seriously concerned about the safety situation in South Africa and government's clearly ineptitude and lack of will to prevent and stop this carnage. At the rate that things are going here it is anybody's guess where matters are going to end up in the near future.
We need friends and reasonable people to bring this situation of our plight to the attention of the world and seek pressure and awareness to bring about change and make a difference.
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Fans of the 2010 soccer world cup can rest assured that the SA government has plans in place to ensure the safety of spectators at the soccer venues (stadiums) and hotels.
This is a fact. There are actual figures tabling the distance of the ring of safety to be in place around a stadium.
This also means crime will, as a result of the police being tasked with safety and security at the matches, be redirected to the innocents of the country who do not go to the soccer matches.
This may sound like a joke, but its not. Check the arrangements for safety and security in 2010. Its deadly serious.
This is a fact. There are actual figures tabling the distance of the ring of safety to be in place around a stadium.
This also means crime will, as a result of the police being tasked with safety and security at the matches, be redirected to the innocents of the country who do not go to the soccer matches.
This may sound like a joke, but its not. Check the arrangements for safety and security in 2010. Its deadly serious.
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Oerlikon, dont know what planet you are from - you certainly are not in South Africa with the rest of us.
Surely you do not believe this yet just another empty undertaking of the South African government about tourist's safey, just like they have promised year after year that they are making new and more plans about plans to combat crime even promising to resign if no marked improvements. Nobody has resigned yet and the crime is getting worse by the day!
Simply ask the myriads of foreign tourists who are mugged and raped when they step out of their luxury hotels or held up and robbed when they leave the terminal building after arrival in JNB - wake up there is ample proof and evidence!
But again - forget about the tourists they are here of free will and choice - the origin and purpose of this thread was to inform the world of the suffering of South African citizens at the hands of murderous criminals, and in recent days and weeks about three very prominent aviation personalities having fallen victim of these heinous acts while the SA Government is conveniently or purposely (just like the AIDS problem) in denial of the truth and reality even charging those who dare to complain to leave.
Your assurances are just about as hollow and empty, and without authority, just as the promises of government year after year that they are going to do something about crime.
Come down to earth and be real!
Surely you do not believe this yet just another empty undertaking of the South African government about tourist's safey, just like they have promised year after year that they are making new and more plans about plans to combat crime even promising to resign if no marked improvements. Nobody has resigned yet and the crime is getting worse by the day!
Simply ask the myriads of foreign tourists who are mugged and raped when they step out of their luxury hotels or held up and robbed when they leave the terminal building after arrival in JNB - wake up there is ample proof and evidence!
But again - forget about the tourists they are here of free will and choice - the origin and purpose of this thread was to inform the world of the suffering of South African citizens at the hands of murderous criminals, and in recent days and weeks about three very prominent aviation personalities having fallen victim of these heinous acts while the SA Government is conveniently or purposely (just like the AIDS problem) in denial of the truth and reality even charging those who dare to complain to leave.
Your assurances are just about as hollow and empty, and without authority, just as the promises of government year after year that they are going to do something about crime.
Come down to earth and be real!
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On our own!
Let’s just be honest with ourselves. No one in this word gives a dam what is happening to the citizens of this country or any other country in Africa for that matter. And no one is coming to the rescue. We are the only ones that can make a difference, but what to do? We are held by the short and curly's. The current oppression of the middle and upper middle class has been planed and is being executed to the number and divide and rule is at the order of the day. These guys are way ahead of us and to survive we better double up catch up. But oh…… got to get that pot of gold first.
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Power in numbers is usually a good step, get together with a small group who have similar concerns at a grass roots level, setting up small groups around the country. Then club together as an organisation so that you can place an eye catching full page advertisement in a national newspaper for others to join your group (a thinly veiled slur on the politicians) this would permit you to reach out to even more people. Hopefully it'll attract the attention of the local media station who may wish to get you 'on air' as "The organisation that is daring to speak openly about RSA modern day problems that the politicians dare not admit". With so many people you could then hit back at the criminals. Offer free legal advice to those members who are accused when they were merely acting in self defence. This will allow you to hit back and then hide behind the legal aspect. Start compiling your records and statistics about crime so that you act upon it with private security groups in and around neighbourhoods, etc.
