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BALANCE The Field
we must remember that there will be always guys out there whom, in commencing their careers in the gen av, money is like an optional extra!
i myself was also there, flying 'meat-bombers' and other types just for the hours!
But once you are employed/contracted to companies involved in International Operations, dont ever forget the lucrative fees that you as crew have been contracted out for...
A fact is you will never get all of it- so lets get over it...
BUT lets keep the balance, not to get screwed (on passion) and not get too greedy...
..most of us will never quite have the financial muscle to get our own aviation companies, and get all of the fat - but then also the headaches man!!
Lets get paid and well enough to have a LIFE whether in the GEN AV (contract dogs!!) or AIRLINE
i myself was also there, flying 'meat-bombers' and other types just for the hours!
But once you are employed/contracted to companies involved in International Operations, dont ever forget the lucrative fees that you as crew have been contracted out for...
A fact is you will never get all of it- so lets get over it...
BUT lets keep the balance, not to get screwed (on passion) and not get too greedy...
..most of us will never quite have the financial muscle to get our own aviation companies, and get all of the fat - but then also the headaches man!!
Lets get paid and well enough to have a LIFE whether in the GEN AV (contract dogs!!) or AIRLINE
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keep the balance
I agree 2packson...
We shouldn't get shafted but not get too greedy either.
But we do need to get paid our fair share since many of us have invested an awfull lot of cash and effort into becoming an airplane driver rather than a pub owner ... no offence to anyone pooring beer...
We shouldn't get shafted but not get too greedy either.
But we do need to get paid our fair share since many of us have invested an awfull lot of cash and effort into becoming an airplane driver rather than a pub owner ... no offence to anyone pooring beer...
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Solenta gets paid about double for the co-pilots in Algeria! Dont you think that is exploitation of crew?!?
Not a good deal for me!! Nice try though
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We want a dedicated pool of crew flying in Algeria. The salary structure
will be different to accommodate the 5 week rotation and will remain fixed
on $ 3,000 per month (on or off). All applications will be subject to
client approval.
Please let us know by 31st May 2007 if you are interested.
Regards,
Exxxx Xxxxxxx
Human Resource Manager
Solenta Aviation (Pty) Ltd
Not a good deal for me!! Nice try though
QUOTE:
We want a dedicated pool of crew flying in Algeria. The salary structure
will be different to accommodate the 5 week rotation and will remain fixed
on $ 3,000 per month (on or off). All applications will be subject to
client approval.
Please let us know by 31st May 2007 if you are interested.
Regards,
Exxxx Xxxxxxx
Human Resource Manager
Solenta Aviation (Pty) Ltd
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get over it
T&S, if that is the terms of the contract, then good luck to the guys who are prepared to go to Algeria. I for one am sick of hearing
"its not fare
" if you are not prepared to go to algeria, then you loose out. get over it. There are guys flying here that earn way more than the rest of us, that is their good fortune, YOU are the one that accepts your contract, if you dont like it, find another one. 4HP, what is prunes standpoint on people posting other peoples details?
"its not fare
" if you are not prepared to go to algeria, then you loose out. get over it. There are guys flying here that earn way more than the rest of us, that is their good fortune, YOU are the one that accepts your contract, if you dont like it, find another one. 4HP, what is prunes standpoint on people posting other peoples details?
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Whilst respecting your opinion on the matter, you are not permitted to post information like this, either by Forum rules and definitely not allowed by Solenta. There are confidentiality clauses in an employment contract forbidding exactly this.
I assume you work for Solenta, as you have had access to this information and gone on to publicly disseminate this.
Whilst respecting your opinion on the matter, you are not permitted to post information like this, either by Forum rules and definitely not allowed by Solenta. There are confidentiality clauses in an employment contract forbidding exactly this.
I assume you work for Solenta, as you have had access to this information and gone on to publicly disseminate this.
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BigBrother...
This whole subject is really going too far now!
Maybe we should all turn ourself to our own companies and see what can be done to improve the whole aviation world.
These forums gave some ideas, but now i really think the ball is in our own camps... and not to try to make a headshot in your "opponents"...but to go further all together...
BigBrother is for stupid TV kids, not for airmen...
Maybe we should all turn ourself to our own companies and see what can be done to improve the whole aviation world.
These forums gave some ideas, but now i really think the ball is in our own camps... and not to try to make a headshot in your "opponents"...but to go further all together...
BigBrother is for stupid TV kids, not for airmen...
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is this your lame attempt to manage or to intimidate your fellow workers?
small carrot or big stick approach may work for some...
Note that this is very bad management style and not very effective and exposes the operation to aspiring crew.
Watch out new comers.
C U soon
small carrot or big stick approach may work for some...
Note that this is very bad management style and not very effective and exposes the operation to aspiring crew.
Watch out new comers.
C U soon
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T&S, if you are unhappy, go elsewhere? I presume you were glad for the hours and opportunities that you got? Solenta provides very good training and a good career starter, as I understand, haven't flown for them for long time but there are much worse out there to be found, trust me.
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Dear T&S,
I assume you've never sit in an Hassi Messaoud camp.
The worst Sudan camp is ten times more confortable than the sadly famous T-32...
It makes sense that Solenta offers Co-jo's and Captains a little extra to accept such adverse living conditions... Look at Elze e-mail, she is asking you to be there back and forth... No more Monrovia house by the beach... No more Bahrain Grand Prix...
Things are the way they are, for reasons... Which apparently are flying way over your head.
Solenta has clearly choosed to be on the lower side of the market salary. They took no-one by surprise about this, and in full honnesty, they have other good sides to offer...
I will be one of the first to leave Solenta to get better money, India is just twice better... However, until you are in position to get better, stop moaning like a girl. You're hours are going up, you're having the chance to get command in the BEST industry delays, you are beeing paid in time and as told.
So what else exactly you want ? Giving a bad name to Solenta, but Dude, you're a bit too small for that, aren't you ?
You want a better treatment ? Put yourself in position to get one... And stop burning your name on the way.
Cheers.
I assume you've never sit in an Hassi Messaoud camp.
The worst Sudan camp is ten times more confortable than the sadly famous T-32...
It makes sense that Solenta offers Co-jo's and Captains a little extra to accept such adverse living conditions... Look at Elze e-mail, she is asking you to be there back and forth... No more Monrovia house by the beach... No more Bahrain Grand Prix...
Things are the way they are, for reasons... Which apparently are flying way over your head.
Solenta has clearly choosed to be on the lower side of the market salary. They took no-one by surprise about this, and in full honnesty, they have other good sides to offer...
I will be one of the first to leave Solenta to get better money, India is just twice better... However, until you are in position to get better, stop moaning like a girl. You're hours are going up, you're having the chance to get command in the BEST industry delays, you are beeing paid in time and as told.
So what else exactly you want ? Giving a bad name to Solenta, but Dude, you're a bit too small for that, aren't you ?
You want a better treatment ? Put yourself in position to get one... And stop burning your name on the way.
Cheers.
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Sudan and Hassi
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Khartoum and SCAA has much more S&!$ than Hassi I would rather work out of Hassi than Sudan(validations & Airport passes) It's a organized Disorganization in Sudan. The accommodation might be better in Sudan.
Khartoum and SCAA has much more S&!$ than Hassi I would rather work out of Hassi than Sudan(validations & Airport passes) It's a organized Disorganization in Sudan. The accommodation might be better in Sudan.
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hey guys. Solenta can pay what ever they like. It is up to you to decide if it is worth it and accept or not.
When and if they do not get the right qualified pilot, they will have to pay more!
When and if they do not get the right qualified pilot, they will have to pay more!
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In my opinion, and it's only mine :
In Sudan, you can have a sort of a social life. You can build decent hours, and the flying is fun. Challenging but fun.
In Sudan, although very disorganized I agree, the clients will never nail you because you "mis-used" the Bp camp swiming pool, or because you did not mention the fire extinguisher in your pax briefing...
The point of comparing HRE with HSSS is that Sudan is as well a very harsh environment... . I managed to have good fun there though...
Oil companies want the same guys over and over. They pay their contractors above average for them to be able to fullfill their "special needs". (High minimums, good use of their pool, thorough briefings, locked up in the camp after 7pm, disgracefull accomodation, extreme climat, scary food and so on). It's not totally unfair the contractor give a bit of extra money to the guys who are willing to commit to that.
Beside, if you work 5 weeks on and off, you would loose out over a year in comparison of the guys who are doing 2 months on / 1 month off. That's another valid reason for the company to adjust the salary...
As said earlier, that salary difference makes sense.
In Sudan, you can have a sort of a social life. You can build decent hours, and the flying is fun. Challenging but fun.
In Sudan, although very disorganized I agree, the clients will never nail you because you "mis-used" the Bp camp swiming pool, or because you did not mention the fire extinguisher in your pax briefing...
The point of comparing HRE with HSSS is that Sudan is as well a very harsh environment... . I managed to have good fun there though...
Oil companies want the same guys over and over. They pay their contractors above average for them to be able to fullfill their "special needs". (High minimums, good use of their pool, thorough briefings, locked up in the camp after 7pm, disgracefull accomodation, extreme climat, scary food and so on). It's not totally unfair the contractor give a bit of extra money to the guys who are willing to commit to that.
Beside, if you work 5 weeks on and off, you would loose out over a year in comparison of the guys who are doing 2 months on / 1 month off. That's another valid reason for the company to adjust the salary...
As said earlier, that salary difference makes sense.