Epaulette Etiquette
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Used to love wearing mine at the Mall. People would immediately assume you are a security guard - and start tipping you. Handy income enhancement when you work as a flight instructor....
Etiquette
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Usual etiquette as far as I am concerned is:
1. PPL etc 4 bars
2. CPL 3 bars
4 Jet FO's 2 Bars
5. Jet Senior FO's 1 bar
6 Capt's, TRE's, Examiners etc 0 Bars (Why not? You've arrived, no need to prove anything anymore!). Grey hair etc. optional but expected.
1. PPL etc 4 bars
2. CPL 3 bars
4 Jet FO's 2 Bars
5. Jet Senior FO's 1 bar
6 Capt's, TRE's, Examiners etc 0 Bars (Why not? You've arrived, no need to prove anything anymore!). Grey hair etc. optional but expected.
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Time for the Batman suit and "Gentleman's Leather Appliance with Optional Rotating Flange" then...
As for bars? I'd fly in a pair of old rugby shorts and barefoot if the boss would sit still for it.
Time for the Batman suit and "Gentleman's Leather Appliance with Optional Rotating Flange" then...
As for bars? I'd fly in a pair of old rugby shorts and barefoot if the boss would sit still for it.
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Wear my Bars on the way too and from work, the traffic cops never bother me when I do. Though must admit have worn them when I pop into the chinese to pick up my take away, since I still got the rest of the drive home. 
As for short and sandles, one of the lads found out nhis boss didn't mind so he started coming to work in them, all the ramp guys thought he was ill and endlessly enquiring if everything was ok Though must admit not a bad choice considering the weather out here.
As for short and sandles, one of the lads found out nhis boss didn't mind so he started coming to work in them, all the ramp guys thought he was ill and endlessly enquiring if everything was ok
Though must admit not a bad choice considering the weather out here.
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My bars have gotten me upgraded to business class when flying home for a weekend on SAA. Its amazing, they have real plates and steel cutlery and glass cups and salt and pepper (not in a packet) and a free news paper!!!! And thats not all - they have bigger chairs........
can anyone tell i fly choppers?
can anyone tell i fly choppers?
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I know, but it was worth it.
I'd let any Jumbo jock sit up front with me any day - bars or no bars - just no hands on my stick!!
Open offer, just bring the cheque book!
I'd let any Jumbo jock sit up front with me any day - bars or no bars - just no hands on my stick!!
Open offer, just bring the cheque book!
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I.R, why is it a case of no respect to be in uniform while on duty when airlining on an aircraft?
We position all the time by airline, and as soon as we land, we are off to the FBO and into our plane and therefore are always in uniform.
I do take my bars off, but it is not out of respect to the pilots as more so the pax do not consider me part of the active crew?
I can t see why crew would feel it rude or discurtious? I wouldnt.
We position all the time by airline, and as soon as we land, we are off to the FBO and into our plane and therefore are always in uniform.
I do take my bars off, but it is not out of respect to the pilots as more so the pax do not consider me part of the active crew?
I can t see why crew would feel it rude or discurtious? I wouldnt.
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Like certain airlines and drive home in your fancy 4 times 4 with your bars on to show the whole world you are a pilot, Just in case they don't recognize you for the stud muffin you are.
You
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Like certain airlines and drive home in your fancy 4 times 4 with your bars on to show the whole world you are a pilot, Just in case they don't recognize you for the stud muffin you are.
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oh pleeeeez - you are all so freakin embarrassed to be pilot now that you do your best to hide them just in case you may be ID'd by a member of the public as a as a as a wait for it ..... a PILOT. Whooaaaaa!
or just in case you migh tbe an a$$hole and not wait for it wait for it ....not show RESPECT!!!! Whoooaaaaa!
this thread has gotten stupid.
( I am not advocating wearing your bars in the Meat Company in fourways - you have to draw a line somewhere....but come on some of the last posts here have just been plain anal.)
Wait for it wait for it wait for it....I'm sure it's gonna come my way now....
or just in case you migh tbe an a$$hole and not wait for it wait for it ....not show RESPECT!!!! Whoooaaaaa!
this thread has gotten stupid.
( I am not advocating wearing your bars in the Meat Company in fourways - you have to draw a line somewhere....but come on some of the last posts here have just been plain anal.)
Wait for it wait for it wait for it....I'm sure it's gonna come my way now....
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SIC, the reason for not wanting to be identified as a pilot while airlining on duty is more due to the legal-claim culture we now live in.
For example, I have been told by airlines when in unifrom to remove bars because if we as an individual do something, (in an emergency) and a member of the public follow us and then are injured or killed, they apparently have recourse because they were following a 'crew memeber'.
So, on that reason and that reason alone, I am happy to remove them while airlining on duty, otherwise, I dont care.
I would find it hard to believe pilots taking offense for others travelling in uniform, bars included, if they are on active duty, ie. positioning.
Perhaps old school BA pilots, and the French, but thats just cause they ate French and arrogant!
But I agree, the topic to me seems like someone pretending they dont want to draw attention themselves but really wants to by posting such a topic.
'I am wearing bars, but dont look at me because I am pretending I dont want to'
Get over it, it is a uniform like any other!
For example, I have been told by airlines when in unifrom to remove bars because if we as an individual do something, (in an emergency) and a member of the public follow us and then are injured or killed, they apparently have recourse because they were following a 'crew memeber'.
So, on that reason and that reason alone, I am happy to remove them while airlining on duty, otherwise, I dont care.
I would find it hard to believe pilots taking offense for others travelling in uniform, bars included, if they are on active duty, ie. positioning.
Perhaps old school BA pilots, and the French, but thats just cause they ate French and arrogant!
But I agree, the topic to me seems like someone pretending they dont want to draw attention themselves but really wants to by posting such a topic.
'I am wearing bars, but dont look at me because I am pretending I dont want to'
Get over it, it is a uniform like any other!
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I agree, I mean what is so bad about driving to work wearing your epps? I wake up, put my uniform on, get in the car and drive to the aiport. I'm not going to now put my epps on onlly when I park at ops. Same goes for going home. I ddon't see it as showing off or trying to be anything special. I'm a pilot and pilots wear uniforms, same as cops, soldiers, nurses (God bless those little white skirts) and I'm damned if I wont wear it in the car on the way to work because some thinks I'm being a wally. The guy pointing at me calling me a wally is probably some Papa Charlie driver flying for some 3rd rate company anyways who has no reason to be proud of his uniform. Like SIC says, my uniform identifies me as a professional and I'm proud of it, but you wont catch me wearing it to the Meat Co. on a Sat night.
Mo
thinks I'm being a wally. The guy pointing at me calling me a wally is probably some Papa Charlie driver flying for some 3rd rate company anyways who has no reason to be proud of his uniform. Like SIC says, my uniform identifies me as a professional and I'm proud of it, but you wont catch me wearing it to the Meat Co. on a Sat night.Mo
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I agree. Someone once told me that the reason why a pilot wears a uniform (including epps) is so you are perceived as being important by people around you... which i think is true. In our work environment, because pax are generally uninformed, it is absolutely necessary that it is clear to them who is in charge and who can help them.
As far as removing them when you drive home, to each his own i guess... i don't do it because what I do in my own car is my own business, and I'm FAR too lazy to remove and put back on and remove and put back on just to satisfy others
A uniform should be worn with pride and I personally think that a uniform is a unit, so if you feel that you should remove your epps right after you sign off, you should actually take off your whole uniform and put on a denim and a t-shirt. Whether you are wearing epps or not people are most likely gonna know you are a pilot (unless you take off your wings and ID card aswell) so what's the difference? Are you ashamed of being a pilot?
As far as removing them when you drive home, to each his own i guess... i don't do it because what I do in my own car is my own business, and I'm FAR too lazy to remove and put back on and remove and put back on just to satisfy others
A uniform should be worn with pride and I personally think that a uniform is a unit, so if you feel that you should remove your epps right after you sign off, you should actually take off your whole uniform and put on a denim and a t-shirt. Whether you are wearing epps or not people are most likely gonna know you are a pilot (unless you take off your wings and ID card aswell) so what's the difference? Are you ashamed of being a pilot?
Just to keep things going .....
Genuine question, would be interested to hear what peoples opinions are on the issue of wearing epaulettes on your raincoat. Massive fashion faux pas, or the done thing?Genuine answer: I would be pretty astonished if anyone has ever worn an epaulette on a raincoat! Why? Because an epaulette is a very ornamental piece of kit, usually with a curved metal plate at the outer end, and complete with a silver or gold bullion, or coloured material, fringe, then attached to a uniform coat or jacket by means of what was known as a shoulder strap. Think Household Cavalry or French Foreign Legion.
On the other hand, if you want to wear what are now known as shoulder straps, shoulder boards, shoulder marks et al, then please do so, but remember that raincoats are for keeping rain off and not for showing off .....
Jack
PS If you do see someone wearing a raincoat with real epaulettes, please take and and post a photo here so that we can all have a good laugh!
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I take mine off when leaving the aircraft so as not to be confused with a bus driver or taxi driver........ shouldn't really have to wear them in the aircraft to identify my self as the pilot........me being the guy driving the aircraft should do that sufficiently.
wear em if the boss tells ya to...... don't if they don't care.....like me.
wear em if the boss tells ya to...... don't if they don't care.....like me.