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Dont worry chucks-we fly C130's and when the cooling turbine packs up-I ground the aircraft-Period.
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Sure chucks-as long as it does not have any accountants in it.
We may not make any money-but I sure as hell am more impressed with what I have achieved in life than those bean counters.
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We may not make any money-but I sure as hell am more impressed with what I have achieved in life than those bean counters.
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I wonder if there is some marketing mentality at work that figures a hard-working bush plane just doesn't need such a comfort system as an air conditioner.
A funny thing with the Dornier was that we would be moaning when the cockpit got up to 25°! Somehow that was worse than being in the Twin Otter at 30° or more, perhaps because you were relating it to the normally cool temperatures you had come to expect.
If you develop some cooling system that cannot overpower the desert sun (a near-impossibility) then you might have very unhappy customers because of a "too-warm" cabin even though it's 25° inside and 50° outside.
I take your point there about the old system. I remember seeing the stuff they ripped out, the system that lived under the floor about by the main door on the machine we bought from Harrah's. By the time the cool air made it all the way to the front of the cabin it really wasn't much to brag about anyway. We ran the system for a little while before all the trouble integrating one heavy airplane into a program with two light ones drove Dispatch nuts, plus it was not really powerful enough for summer in the Carolinas.
The one in Nigeria came out right away because we were always running our trips at MTOM. Every pound counted there.
I would suggest keeping those little fans in the cockpit, at least as an option. It's a long way from the panel to your face, where the fan (Zizz! Ouch!) is right there, which I find oddly comforting if not exactly "fun."
When is the roll-out?
A funny thing with the Dornier was that we would be moaning when the cockpit got up to 25°! Somehow that was worse than being in the Twin Otter at 30° or more, perhaps because you were relating it to the normally cool temperatures you had come to expect.
If you develop some cooling system that cannot overpower the desert sun (a near-impossibility) then you might have very unhappy customers because of a "too-warm" cabin even though it's 25° inside and 50° outside.
I take your point there about the old system. I remember seeing the stuff they ripped out, the system that lived under the floor about by the main door on the machine we bought from Harrah's. By the time the cool air made it all the way to the front of the cabin it really wasn't much to brag about anyway. We ran the system for a little while before all the trouble integrating one heavy airplane into a program with two light ones drove Dispatch nuts, plus it was not really powerful enough for summer in the Carolinas.
The one in Nigeria came out right away because we were always running our trips at MTOM. Every pound counted there.
I would suggest keeping those little fans in the cockpit, at least as an option. It's a long way from the panel to your face, where the fan (Zizz! Ouch!) is right there, which I find oddly comforting if not exactly "fun."
When is the roll-out?
..we fly C130's and when the cooling turbine packs up-I ground the aircraft-Period
If it gets too hot in a Twin Otter, I just open then window while I am flying along.
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It is all relative...
Well, at least I can hold my head up when it comes to hangar flying. The cross-winds get stronger, the strips get shorter, the weather gets worse... you can use the standard correction factor of .7 there, I guess. There is one thing though: I really am a hot pilot and I have the sweat-stained baseball cap to prove it! Anyone even has to ask, at least there is that.
Michael, I don't know if the beancounters had that system when you were with Air Cuckoo Clock but I have to affix each and every receipt to an A4 sheet for scrutiny when I claim expenses.
Last time there was a ticket for the S-Bahn for CHF 2.90 but I put in for that anyway. "One Man Against the System" or "Gregor Samsa, Bush Pilot" is how I think of this and I have a secret weapon, laughing to myself about what Mr Big Time Jet Pilot has come to, bowing before the beancounters. I got into aviation for THIS?
You know in Germany nowadays they have a whole system developed to exploit that basic human need to take a pee when travelling on the Autobahn. Used to be you just plinked 50 Pfennigs onto that little white saucer on the table by the door while some glum Frau in white kept watch. (What do they call that profession anyway, Autobahnpinkelbudewachfrau?)
There was just too much of a human element involved for the fun-loving Germans to continue with that so that they have developed an automated system with turnstiles. You put in 50 euro cents (cleverly doubling the cost) and get a ticket as you go through a turnstile. Afterwards you can use the ticket for part-payment on a cup of coffee that makes you want to pee, when the whole process repeats itself like some hellish feedback loop. Some older people with weak kidneys are there for hours until they run out of small change; someone needs to do something about this system of exploitation!
Anyway, I found one of these little pee chits among my papers. Do you think anyone would notice if I shoved it in there on the next A4 sheet? We could make bets on this.
Michael, I don't know if the beancounters had that system when you were with Air Cuckoo Clock but I have to affix each and every receipt to an A4 sheet for scrutiny when I claim expenses.
Last time there was a ticket for the S-Bahn for CHF 2.90 but I put in for that anyway. "One Man Against the System" or "Gregor Samsa, Bush Pilot" is how I think of this and I have a secret weapon, laughing to myself about what Mr Big Time Jet Pilot has come to, bowing before the beancounters. I got into aviation for THIS?
You know in Germany nowadays they have a whole system developed to exploit that basic human need to take a pee when travelling on the Autobahn. Used to be you just plinked 50 Pfennigs onto that little white saucer on the table by the door while some glum Frau in white kept watch. (What do they call that profession anyway, Autobahnpinkelbudewachfrau?)
There was just too much of a human element involved for the fun-loving Germans to continue with that so that they have developed an automated system with turnstiles. You put in 50 euro cents (cleverly doubling the cost) and get a ticket as you go through a turnstile. Afterwards you can use the ticket for part-payment on a cup of coffee that makes you want to pee, when the whole process repeats itself like some hellish feedback loop. Some older people with weak kidneys are there for hours until they run out of small change; someone needs to do something about this system of exploitation!
Anyway, I found one of these little pee chits among my papers. Do you think anyone would notice if I shoved it in there on the next A4 sheet? We could make bets on this.
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Knowing bean counters, the A/C will make it into very few of the new Twotters. Reckon we'll just have to continue reeking gently up front as the sweat drips off our noses and onto the nav log/manifest.
If they could get away with it I'm sure the bean counters would have us fly in our underwear and force us to take the Mugabes to the pool before every flight. At least they haven't got to the point of having the engineers hold us down and stick a greasy finger down our throats to relieve us of our breakfast yet.....
If they could get away with it I'm sure the bean counters would have us fly in our underwear and force us to take the Mugabes to the pool before every flight. At least they haven't got to the point of having the engineers hold us down and stick a greasy finger down our throats to relieve us of our breakfast yet.....
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