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I would think a call from the crew member to one of the directors (the one you chose may be important) would be the right way (probably the only way) to get answers to those questions.
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A couple of years back NAC squashed out a very senior pilot who had given them really good service, and who was very competent in my opinion for a far lessor reason than no contracts.
If there is anything out there take it. They really don't care about there pilots or engineers!
If there is anything out there take it. They really don't care about there pilots or engineers!
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Plane4sale difficult without knowing who they are directing the questions to, but, assuming they are asking the right person, and not getting the answers they need, then they surely are not going to get the answers here, just a bunch of personal opinions from people who really dont know the full story. If they have not got the answers they seek, then I would ask again, perhaps of one of the other directors, because that really is the only source that any real answers will come from.
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No not still active in any way in NAC for many years, but know a number of the people pretty well.
The pulling out of someones uninformed opinion or gripe serves no useful purpose whatsoever, and will not in any way help the staff who may well face some difficult decisions in the near future (as it would appear do the management of the company)
This needs to be dealt with internally between the current staff and the managment.
The pulling out of someones uninformed opinion or gripe serves no useful purpose whatsoever, and will not in any way help the staff who may well face some difficult decisions in the near future (as it would appear do the management of the company)
This needs to be dealt with internally between the current staff and the managment.
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Balmy, you say that it should be dealt with "internally between staff and management". Perhaps this begs the question that if the issues were being dealt with, and I assume that management are now aware of the issues... 
then surely this thread wouldnt have come alive once again?
Unsubstantiated but, I think that maybe some see forums as a manner in which to vent frustrations when nothing else seems to work. It was said in the previous thread that if NAC were my company, I wouldnt be wasting any time in sorting everything out. You also speak with some authority, perhaps you know something which could put everyones mind at ease, since you categorically state that, "THERE ARE NO ISSUES". Enlighten please?
then surely this thread wouldnt have come alive once again?Unsubstantiated but, I think that maybe some see forums as a manner in which to vent frustrations when nothing else seems to work. It was said in the previous thread that if NAC were my company, I wouldnt be wasting any time in sorting everything out. You also speak with some authority, perhaps you know something which could put everyones mind at ease, since you categorically state that, "THERE ARE NO ISSUES". Enlighten please?
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Never said there are no issues?.......and I dont have any particular inside info..... just know this is not the way to resolve any of the issues, but has and will become a place to hang out any old hang-ups (some possibly justified others not) that anyone might have.
Seems like a waste of time to me, go and deal with it with those who can do something??
Seems like a waste of time to me, go and deal with it with those who can do something??
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This is a rumour network, not a meeting place for NAC management to resolve there problems. People are trying to find out how the rest of the industry feel about the issues and there opinions.
Sorry Balmy but you were either a blue eyed boy or you never worked there. They treat all there employees like
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Sorry Balmy but you were either a blue eyed boy or you never worked there. They treat all there employees like
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Still the wrong place to go for those who have stuff at stake in this and need answers. For those who have their own rather obvious petty beef it probably is a good place to wring their hands in dispair. That winging and whining has however little or nothing to do with the current issue.
Actually cant say I ever was a blue eyed boy (wish I was)...... probably the opposite....... but I also cant say I was ever treated anything but fairly.....(and I know a number of people whose experience was the same).....and I certainly was able to go and talk through any issues I had and reach some resolution (you have to have the balls to do it though). Some conclusions were favourable and others were not..... but you know what ....that's life.
You guys need to grow up, get over your pet hate, and get on with life.
Actually cant say I ever was a blue eyed boy (wish I was)...... probably the opposite....... but I also cant say I was ever treated anything but fairly.....(and I know a number of people whose experience was the same).....and I certainly was able to go and talk through any issues I had and reach some resolution (you have to have the balls to do it though). Some conclusions were favourable and others were not..... but you know what ....that's life.
You guys need to grow up, get over your pet hate, and get on with life.
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Hear hear Balmy I completely agree with you,its high time pilots learnt to stand up and be counted in their own right. So many are not willing to take a stand themselves and rely on others to do it for them, I know this as I have been a union rep a few times but never again will I make that mistake! Its amazing how petty and tirial some issues are and the inability of some guys to resolve them begs the question do i want this guy in charge of my aircraft?
Sorry to those of you that do sort yourselves out!
Sorry to those of you that do sort yourselves out!
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As a contract pilot, there are certain downsides. You get paid a lot more money than the guys back home and the reason for that is that you work in less than desirable conditions, you do not sleep in your own bed at night, food and lodgings may not be of the standard that you are used to, you fly hard and long hours, job security is questionable etc.
Guys who apply to fly contracts know this and go in with their eyes open, I think. They accept a lot of the downside as they are gaining experience and earning at the same time. If you do not like those items on the list above, stay at Lanseria, strap a 200 to your bum and fly for the charter queens and earn accordingly.
The likes of Rossair, Balmoral, KAS etc over the years have had the crews complaining of exactly the same issues. Everyone would like 'endless' job security, but the reality is that times change, contracts are won and lost. Companies come and go (Rossair and Balmoral as examples). The tide will turn and contracts will be won again and everyone will feel secure.
Plane4sale, you mention two individuals in your last post who were the subject of many posts here talking about how they would be missed etc.
They were then subject to more posts about how things had gone to pieces in their new positions!!?
Fact is that pilots who do not have enough flying are the worst whiners around. I am not saying that NAC is perfect, I never have, but they have given many of us a start in aviation and it may well be their loss that we have moved on. Plane4sale, I trust that you are not using the same people you are intent on knifing!? Ethics?
Guys who apply to fly contracts know this and go in with their eyes open, I think. They accept a lot of the downside as they are gaining experience and earning at the same time. If you do not like those items on the list above, stay at Lanseria, strap a 200 to your bum and fly for the charter queens and earn accordingly.
The likes of Rossair, Balmoral, KAS etc over the years have had the crews complaining of exactly the same issues. Everyone would like 'endless' job security, but the reality is that times change, contracts are won and lost. Companies come and go (Rossair and Balmoral as examples). The tide will turn and contracts will be won again and everyone will feel secure.
Plane4sale, you mention two individuals in your last post who were the subject of many posts here talking about how they would be missed etc.
They were then subject to more posts about how things had gone to pieces in their new positions!!?
Fact is that pilots who do not have enough flying are the worst whiners around. I am not saying that NAC is perfect, I never have, but they have given many of us a start in aviation and it may well be their loss that we have moved on. Plane4sale, I trust that you are not using the same people you are intent on knifing!? Ethics?
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Do you know the exact circumstances surrounding the departure of all the people you refer to? Very often we hear one side of the story (perhaps even from posts like the ones on this thread) and then we assume we know the story and go around and slate people on second hand info, which often has a whole bunch of spin on the ball, and little relationship to the truth.
Like one earlier post where it quotes some pilot who was let go but was in that writers opinion a better pilot than some other pilot at the company, and then he takes issue with the company for that. How arrogant.......that is just his opinion and he most probably doesnt even have all the facts?
I agree with SirC they are not perfect....but then who is.......but there are a bunch of us who got our start at NAC and who learned a whole bunch from the experience.
Do you know the exact circumstances surrounding the departure of all the people you refer to? Very often we hear one side of the story (perhaps even from posts like the ones on this thread) and then we assume we know the story and go around and slate people on second hand info, which often has a whole bunch of spin on the ball, and little relationship to the truth.
Like one earlier post where it quotes some pilot who was let go but was in that writers opinion a better pilot than some other pilot at the company, and then he takes issue with the company for that. How arrogant.......that is just his opinion and he most probably doesnt even have all the facts?
I agree with SirC they are not perfect....but then who is.......but there are a bunch of us who got our start at NAC and who learned a whole bunch from the experience.
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Balmy you and I are on the same page!!
Plane4sale, what disturbs me is that it appears that you work for NAC whilst stoking the fires here for all it is worth! If you have a problem, get out from behind your anonymous computer, walk into the offices at Lanseria and ask the question. If you do not like the reply, then go knocking at Exec or Norse.
I do not have to change my attitude nor do I have to see any more light! Fact is contract flying is exactly that, when there is work, contracts and employment will be offered, when none, then make a plan. You make the mistake of expecting all the same benefits the charter pilots back home have whilst you are earning the contract bucks! Contract flying has never been easy nor will it ever be. It is not for everyone. It has been a great stepping stone for many (You too?) but it remians a choice and for those who like the lifestyle, it makes for a great career. For the rest, move on and don't feel bitter.
Plane4sale, what disturbs me is that it appears that you work for NAC whilst stoking the fires here for all it is worth! If you have a problem, get out from behind your anonymous computer, walk into the offices at Lanseria and ask the question. If you do not like the reply, then go knocking at Exec or Norse.
I do not have to change my attitude nor do I have to see any more light! Fact is contract flying is exactly that, when there is work, contracts and employment will be offered, when none, then make a plan. You make the mistake of expecting all the same benefits the charter pilots back home have whilst you are earning the contract bucks! Contract flying has never been easy nor will it ever be. It is not for everyone. It has been a great stepping stone for many (You too?) but it remians a choice and for those who like the lifestyle, it makes for a great career. For the rest, move on and don't feel bitter.
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You obviously missed this part of my post:
Good Luck!!
If you have a problem, get out from behind your anonymous computer, walk into the offices at Lanseria and ask the question. If you do not like the reply, then go knocking at Exec or Norse.