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Have to agree with your last few posts, JetNut - I think DJ is in denial.
Don't you believe it - this is the same man that said, on the 27th October 2005, on another famous thread:
Brings to mind that old comparision to a mushroom - kept in the dark and fed, well, not exactly prime rib - if you know what I mean.
Thing is, I have some reliable information
There is absolutely no future in SAA launching it's own LCC arm...
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Ahh, I see we are going down this well worn path again, seems whenever someone doesn’t want to put forward a coherent argument they get personal.... as I said the last time- AT THE TIME (very important piece that) that was the official position. Things change and Im glad they did!!
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Not getting personal - just telling it like it is. If it was the official position at the time, are you trying to tell us that they formulated the Mango business plan, procured the aircraft, hired the staff, etc, etc - all in under 12 months? SAA couldn't move that fast if they were being chased by a liquidator!
Remember the 777 fiasco? Dilly-dallied for so long, even Boeing lost their patience. So just maybe it wasn't the official position - maybe they just didn't tell you.
Remember the 777 fiasco? Dilly-dallied for so long, even Boeing lost their patience. So just maybe it wasn't the official position - maybe they just didn't tell you.
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SAA management has a fundamental cancer. This cancer is called bureaucracy
I'm sure DJ will at least agree on this ....
Too many cooks (kooks?) spoil the broth!
So Jouneyman, as you correctly stated..there is no way in hell, Mango was conceived and implemented within the space of 12 months...12 years maybe.
I'm sure DJ will at least agree on this ....
Too many cooks (kooks?) spoil the broth!
So Jouneyman, as you correctly stated..there is no way in hell, Mango was conceived and implemented within the space of 12 months...12 years maybe.
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Hey now.....to merge the original thread with most of what has been said after that......I think it is great that both Comair and Mango are doing well......good for all of us as fare paying pax and as aviation people......
Interesting how the world has changed......most the "traditional" airlines struggle to make money (a bunch of them in chapter 11) while the low costs are the ones making money.........go you good thing.
Interesting how the world has changed......most the "traditional" airlines struggle to make money (a bunch of them in chapter 11) while the low costs are the ones making money.........go you good thing.
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Well at least the TAXPAYER gets something for their investment- cheap tickets!
Mango doesn't offer rates that are significantly cheaper that all the other low cost airlines in the country. The only difference is that the TAXPAYERS don't have to subsidise all the the others. If companies like Comair can do it why should we be happy about subsidising another one just to get the same ticket prices?
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OK guy's there is not a single LCC in RSA, a LCC is an airline that sells all seats onboard at one price, not at 10 price scales.BUT THINK ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!
I think that Mango is SAA's best and biggest scam that they have pulled past the competition board. They say Mango is an independant company!!
But how can that be if SAA owns 100% of Mango shares? It means that all executive board proposals have to be ok by the shareholder & that is SAA
Heard from the boys that SAA is not giving Mango any more aircraft, nor is SAA geting of any more routes so that Mango can operate on them.
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Heard other wise
I heard from the chaps at mango that they currently looking at new routes an adding new a/c,so who knows who is right or wrong.I dont see why saa wont give them more routes or a/c tho!
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BUT THINK ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!
I think that Mango is SAA's best and biggest scam that they have pulled past the competition board. They say Mango is an independant company!!
I think that Mango is SAA's best and biggest scam that they have pulled past the competition board. They say Mango is an independant company!!
Ever considered how many different Motor Brand Dealerships is run by the McCarthy Group (i.e. Toyota, Honda, Mercedes Benz etc.)
Your point being...
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SAA management has a fundamental cancer. This cancer is called bureaucracy
I'm sure DJ will at least agree on this ....
Too many cooks (kooks?) spoil the broth!
So Jouneyman, as you correctly stated..there is no way in hell, Mango was conceived and implemented within the space of 12 months...12 years maybe.
I'm sure DJ will at least agree on this ....
Too many cooks (kooks?) spoil the broth!
So Jouneyman, as you correctly stated..there is no way in hell, Mango was conceived and implemented within the space of 12 months...12 years maybe.
t scared to make the critical calls so everything gets shunted up the line. Those who can make the calls are thus disempowered.As far as Mango goes, Im chuffed a lot of people think it couldn’t be strung together in the time that it happened- means we are underestimated. At the start of it all there were a lot of people out there who said it would not come off for this reason or that and it all worked out just fine. Most of the people who worked on the Mango project went back into the SAA system when the project was finished.
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where to from here
problem here is that a person who was given a position through political affiliations is sht scared to make the critical calls
t scared to make the critical calls
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Luther consider the fact that SAA was suppose to give Mango a additional aircraft to roll their fleet operation while they have one a/c at a time in C Check till end of Oct. That didn't happen so now Mango is down to 3 a/c. SAA was to give Mango another 800 starting Nov07, SAA last week decided no go!!!Mango was supposed to get 2 more new aircraft from Boeing next year March, because SAA did not want to part with any more of their own. Now SAA said no to Mango they cant get new a/c as SAA is not going to withdraw from any of their routes so Mango will remain at 4 a/c.
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Hi Deskjockey I can see ur an SAA loyaltie, but explain to us why your precious SAA did not stick to their original proposed bussiness plan for Mongo, by expanding Mango the way they said they would , their behind by 4 a/c thusfar, or is there a nother BS justification for this in your leadership explanation as well, plse dont sound like Schack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have to side with Jetnut on his view's, sound like a sober man with insight, must agree that DJ is defendig SAA to the last man standing. Sad but stupid 
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OH yes DJ just to provoke your utmost sincere oppinion, I heard that Mango had to adjust their brilliant low prices to break even, Im sure Mr Novic's visit to the Mango office would not reflect on Nico Bezuidenhout's arrogance. Afterall Mr Novick is a descend man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
