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Who said I was a legal counselor? I gave legal counsel - that doesnt mean that I am a practising lawyer... But then again, as the moderator pointed out earlier in this thread, this is a rumour site so "facts" do not have to be substantiated.
I fully accept and acknowledge the level of professionalism displayed by 1time staff, particularly the air crew. Where do you see me defending the "bosses"? If you knew me, you would know that the opposite applies. But accusations need to backed by fact to have any meaning, otherwise they will forever be -- rumours.
Be sure to mention that at your next medical
You are quite correct, you never did. My apologies. But I did say "if", I never said you "did"... 
Legal symantecs....
This is a rumour site. I am free to make assumptions as I please. If you can assume that I am a lawyer, hey, I can assume you are a 1time pilot. If you can assume that I am defending the bosses, I can assume that you want to work for SAA (I mean who wouldnt want to? If the statements in this thread are anything to go by, 1time is a crap place to work, and they pay crap. SAA work less hours for more pay - now thats a fact 
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Oh, and by the way, the 1time staff member who sought my counsel, won the case against the "bosses"... Facts speak louder than words...
Oh, and I offered to pay your legal fees, not represent you. Who said I was a lawyer? Careful about assumptions... Anyways, lawyers dont earn nearly as much $$$ as I do...
I plan to You too mate. Choose to be happy! Its only work!
Be sure to mention that at your next medical
Legal symantecs.... ...There is a saying in aviation. "assumption is the mother of all 
ups"
You my learned legal friend are assuming that I WANT to go to above mentioned airlines. You are also assuming that I work for 1time. In fact you are assuming that I am a Pilot.
Now answer yourself this question..... would you want a legal counselor that assumes so much with so few facts to represent you, even if his services were offered free of charge???...
ups"You my learned legal friend are assuming that I WANT to go to above mentioned airlines. You are also assuming that I work for 1time. In fact you are assuming that I am a Pilot.
Now answer yourself this question..... would you want a legal counselor that assumes so much with so few facts to represent you, even if his services were offered free of charge???...
)Oh, and by the way, the 1time staff member who sought my counsel, won the case against the "bosses"... Facts speak louder than words...
Oh, and I offered to pay your legal fees, not represent you. Who said I was a lawyer? Careful about assumptions... Anyways, lawyers dont earn nearly as much $$$ as I do...
I plan to
You too mate. Choose to be happy! Its only work!
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Just heard that there's a MAJOR witch-hunt on the go at 1Time for the pilots who had the absolute cheek of criticizing the esteemed management, on a public forum at that! Well Mr.O and co., if you kick your dog in private, he will bite you in public. Question is, what will they do to said pilots when/if they find out who they are? Fire them? Think not! Bit short on the numbers department for that. Slap them with a libel suit? Think not. Not a judge in the country who wouldnt wet himself laughing, plus, that would probably open a can of worms that the "bar-room band" would rather keep tightly closed. All I can say is viva free speech! Keep on shouting boys!
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Get the sniffer dogs out boys but don't forget to devote some time to more pressing issues at 1time. That is, if you have the time.
Here's your first clue....... Start with those that are unhappy with the way you are handling things.
Now lets see............. how many does that leave
Well done, you've just narrowed it down to EVERYBODY
HAPPY HUNTING
Here's your first clue....... Start with those that are unhappy with the way you are handling things.
Now lets see............. how many does that leave
Well done, you've just narrowed it down to EVERYBODY
HAPPY HUNTING
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Just heard that there's a MAJOR witch-hunt on the go at 1Time for the pilots who had the absolute cheek of criticizing the esteemed management, on a public forum at that! Well Mr.O and co., if you kick your dog in private, he will bite you in public. Question is, what will they do to said pilots when/if they find out who they are? Fire them? Think not! Bit short on the numbers department for that. Slap them with a libel suit? Think not. Not a judge in the country who wouldnt wet himself laughing, plus, that would probably open a can of worms that the "bar-room band" would rather keep tightly closed. All I can say is viva free speech! Keep on shouting boys!
The Criminal Procedure Act defines Criminal defamation as "the unlawful and intentional publication of matter concerning another that tends seriously to injure his reputation". When its verbal, its slander, and when written, its libel. The onus would be on you to prove that everything you have stated is true - no innocent till proven guilty with defamation... the burden of proof is with the defendant. Whilst I dont believe what has been stated on this forum would stand up in criminal proceedings, I do believe that it would be sufficient to dismiss an employee because of the intent. If at any time the management of 1time can prove your identity on this forum, your career at 1time would effectively be over. Now, as to getting hold of your real identity, it is legally possible (although unlikely that any individual would go through the legal expenses getting this done). Bearing this in mind, I would encourage every one of you in this thread to please use a little common sense when posting defaming comments on internet forums as its not as "anonymous" as you may think, legally is may be considered as "hate speech", and there is no constitutional "freedom of speech" right to protect you.
Let me expand on the freedom of speech for you a bit. Firstly, its not "Freedom of speech", its "Freedom of Expression". Freedom of expression is a wider concept than Freedom of speech and covers stuff like marching, holding up banners etc etc. There are 3 specific exclusions when this constitutional right is voided : 1. propoganda for war, 2. Incitement of violence, and 3. Hate Speech.
To elaborate, the criminal act of "criminal defamation" that I mentioned earlier is considered "Hate Speech" by many judges, although I must state here that the case law has not been firmly established yet.
you can get more info about Freedom of Expression in Section 16(1) and Section 16(2) in the constitution.
In summary, I would like to again encourage you to think before you speak, and if you have a case backed by legal fact, rather get yourself legal representation and have it sorted with the 1time mangement for once and for all. I dont think anyone is doing anyone favours defaming individuals and claiming "safety issues" and the like. The greatest injustice to society is silence in the face of adversity. Stand up and be counted.
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Well there is a very fine line between criticism and libel...
In summary, I would like to again encourage you to think before you speak, and if you have a case backed by legal fact, rather get yourself legal representation and have it sorted with the 1time mangement for once and for all. I dont think anyone is doing anyone favours defaming individuals and claiming "safety issues" and the like. The greatest injustice to society is silence in the face of adversity. Stand up and be counted.
In summary, I would like to again encourage you to think before you speak, and if you have a case backed by legal fact, rather get yourself legal representation and have it sorted with the 1time mangement for once and for all. I dont think anyone is doing anyone favours defaming individuals and claiming "safety issues" and the like. The greatest injustice to society is silence in the face of adversity. Stand up and be counted.
Reality check... I very much doubt that posters identity will be disclosed, see how the forum dries up then
Perhaps there is a really simple solution. Management should realise there is a problem, and deal with it, not chase after the disgruntled employees... not only is it a waste of time, but there will be many more to take his/her place.... Come on, deal with the issue and not the person!!!! 
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To countingteeth: You say:, "get legal representation", well maybe with your VERY intimate knowledge of the workings of 1Time,(although you profess to not be management- whatever), maybe you can explain why then, is 1Time managment so opposed to the pilots forming a union or assosciation? On more than one occasion has formation of said union been blocked by management. This, my opinion, begs the question:
What is 1Time management so afraid of? Is it..
a) They know they have breached just about every undertaking/commitment/contract with regards the pilot body.
b) They know that a single pilot can be threatened/pressured into towing the company line whereas a union cannot.
c) They know that, when/if the day comes to "take the money and run", a union would be harder to deal with than a group of individuals.
d) All of the above.
What is 1Time management so afraid of? Is it..
a) They know they have breached just about every undertaking/commitment/contract with regards the pilot body.
b) They know that a single pilot can be threatened/pressured into towing the company line whereas a union cannot.
c) They know that, when/if the day comes to "take the money and run", a union would be harder to deal with than a group of individuals.
d) All of the above.
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One last thing about sub contracting though Amico - at any time, 1time management can refuse your services with no civil recourse. They are paying Amico for the service of a "pilot", and the contracting of you, the individual, is actually an "Amico" subcontract. In summary, you can be "fired" at anytime by 1time with no reason necessary and no explanation given. There is however a legal loop hole that you can use to protect your rights, and if any of you find yourself in this predicament, PM me and I will explain how to get yourself out of it
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You work for the airline, you do NOT own it!!! Its not your money!Remember guys, you might not like "Mr O", and you can think he is a prat or whatever, but he IS an OWNER of the airline, he IS your employer, and he has been instrumental in growing the airline to what it is today. Without him, and the "1time airline" you seem to despise so much, a whole bunch of pilots would be out of work, and the "labour shortage" so many of you seem to tout wouldnt exist. The industry is a better place for all pilots because of the existance of Mr O and his airline
If you dont like him, or the airline, why not just leave - go on - and take advantage of the pilot shortages....
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And why would "the pilot" want to call the shots? Do you honestly believe the pilots would do a better job of running the airline? Bwahahahahaha. Pilot Ego You work for the airline, you do NOT own it!!! Its not your money!
Remember guys, you might not like "Mr O", and you can think he is a prat or whatever, but he IS an OWNER of the airline, he IS your employer, and he has been instrumental in growing the airline to what it is today. Without him, and the "1time airline" you seem to despise so much, a whole bunch of pilots would be out of work, and the "labour shortage" so many of you seem to tout wouldnt exist. The industry is a better place for all pilots because of the existance of Mr O and his airline If you dont like him, or the airline, why not just leave - go on - and take advantage of the pilot shortages....
You work for the airline, you do NOT own it!!! Its not your money!Remember guys, you might not like "Mr O", and you can think he is a prat or whatever, but he IS an OWNER of the airline, he IS your employer, and he has been instrumental in growing the airline to what it is today. Without him, and the "1time airline" you seem to despise so much, a whole bunch of pilots would be out of work, and the "labour shortage" so many of you seem to tout wouldnt exist. The industry is a better place for all pilots because of the existance of Mr O and his airline
If you dont like him, or the airline, why not just leave - go on - and take advantage of the pilot shortages.... Because someone is the owner of anything and employs people doesnt give him / her a right to treat people badly. The industry is a better place for having the likes of 1Time no question, this however is not a license to behave however you want... Chill out, dont let yourself get all worked up over this, particularly since you have no intersest in the airline...!
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My Question:
Do the folk at 1Time actually promote the fact that Crew must join 1Time, or rather Amico..?
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As far as I am aware, all crew are given the choice. From what I have been told, its down to a handful of pilots who work directly for 1time. Another bunch switched to Amico with effect 1 Jan. They are also free to switch as they please, but obviously take home $$$ is better if you "work" for "Amico" so that is why the guys are switching.
