Nationwide current issues (threads merged)
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On IOL this morning:
Interesting projections being put forward, just having a code share is no guarantee of getting the business- its all about connectivity and schedule harmonisation and inventory availability among others. To give an example SAA gets more traffic off the one world alliance partners in South Africa than BA/Comair does- this despite the fact that Comair offers FFP benefits and a supposedly better price. On the flip side we provide BA more feed across LHR than we do to our code share partner BMI- for similar reasons.
Think Audrey had better check her facts- 2100 pax across 60 flights- that’s 35 pax a flight!
Bet you ol uncle Vern is currently scouring Eastern Europe looking for that last great bargain 732…… and on the way back buying up a few extra old busses for the ramp from an out of business ground handler in Bucharest because he got a buy one get one free deal…
October 19, 2006
By AUDREY D’ANGELO
Cape Town - Nationwide Airlines expects to carry 9 000 additional American and European passengers a month on its local and regional routes in the coming holiday season as a result of new codeshare arrangements with Air France and US airline Delta.
At present, it runs 60 daily flights carrying 2 100 passengers locally.
It also intended to apply for codeshare air traffic rights for its passengers to be carried by Delta to a number of US destinations, including Cincinnati, Miami, Chicago, Phoenix and Honolulu, financial director Peter Griffiths said yesterday.
And it was negotiating to lease a second Boeing 767-300 Extended Range plane to enable it to increase its frequencies to London (Gatwick) from four a week to daily. Nationwide's London flights all leave from Johannesburg at present, but if it secured the second Boeing 767 in time, Griffiths said it would have one return flight a week from Cape Town during the holiday season.
These planes are in short supply, however, and Nationwide recently failed to secure a second lease.
The matter is urgent because, in addition to a regular seasonal shortage of airline seats on the London route, Nationwide is in danger of losing three of its seven weekly air traffic rights to London if they are still unused by January.
British Airways franchise holder Comair has complained to the South African licensing council that Nationwide has not taken them up.
Griffiths explained that the more easily obtainable Boeing 747 would be too large for its passenger loads, although the airline expected to need them later as its market share grew.
It could not add an Airbus to its fleet because "we are a Boeing airline and have not got the infrastructure for an Airbus".
Nationwide's pilots all fly Boeings and, in addition to that, the airline carries out its own maintenance with staff trained on Boeings.
US airline Delta will start a service between Johannesburg and Atlanta by way of Dakar early in December. Air France flies between Johannesburg and Paris twice a day. Some passengers on Nationwide flights to London already transfer to Delta and Continental Airways flights to the US.
A Nationwide spokesperson said that at present it carried an average of 2 100 passengers a day on its 60 local flights. These included eight return flights a day between Johannesburg and Cape Town, and six return flights between Johannesburg and Durban.
By AUDREY D’ANGELO
Cape Town - Nationwide Airlines expects to carry 9 000 additional American and European passengers a month on its local and regional routes in the coming holiday season as a result of new codeshare arrangements with Air France and US airline Delta.
At present, it runs 60 daily flights carrying 2 100 passengers locally.
It also intended to apply for codeshare air traffic rights for its passengers to be carried by Delta to a number of US destinations, including Cincinnati, Miami, Chicago, Phoenix and Honolulu, financial director Peter Griffiths said yesterday.
And it was negotiating to lease a second Boeing 767-300 Extended Range plane to enable it to increase its frequencies to London (Gatwick) from four a week to daily. Nationwide's London flights all leave from Johannesburg at present, but if it secured the second Boeing 767 in time, Griffiths said it would have one return flight a week from Cape Town during the holiday season.
These planes are in short supply, however, and Nationwide recently failed to secure a second lease.
The matter is urgent because, in addition to a regular seasonal shortage of airline seats on the London route, Nationwide is in danger of losing three of its seven weekly air traffic rights to London if they are still unused by January.
British Airways franchise holder Comair has complained to the South African licensing council that Nationwide has not taken them up.
Griffiths explained that the more easily obtainable Boeing 747 would be too large for its passenger loads, although the airline expected to need them later as its market share grew.
It could not add an Airbus to its fleet because "we are a Boeing airline and have not got the infrastructure for an Airbus".
Nationwide's pilots all fly Boeings and, in addition to that, the airline carries out its own maintenance with staff trained on Boeings.
US airline Delta will start a service between Johannesburg and Atlanta by way of Dakar early in December. Air France flies between Johannesburg and Paris twice a day. Some passengers on Nationwide flights to London already transfer to Delta and Continental Airways flights to the US.
A Nationwide spokesperson said that at present it carried an average of 2 100 passengers a day on its 60 local flights. These included eight return flights a day between Johannesburg and Cape Town, and six return flights between Johannesburg and Durban.
Think Audrey had better check her facts- 2100 pax across 60 flights- that’s 35 pax a flight!
Bet you ol uncle Vern is currently scouring Eastern Europe looking for that last great bargain 732…… and on the way back buying up a few extra old busses for the ramp from an out of business ground handler in Bucharest because he got a buy one get one free deal…
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If it is true it is good news.
This means more work for all.
If they are battling at the moment with regards to
crew shortage then stand up and ask for more pay.
Who knows maybe VB will have to pay up
if he wants to expand and not have the crewing problems
This means more work for all.
If they are battling at the moment with regards to
crew shortage then stand up and ask for more pay.
Who knows maybe VB will have to pay up
if he wants to expand and not have the crewing problems
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If you ask me:
Everytime NTW looses alot of Crew, they "dust-off" this old 767 story (+ others). This one has been around for years now, not even months...
Almost sounds like the continuous harping by a guy who owns quite a few J41's.
Let's hope, for all the "Wannabe Airline Pilot's" that maybe this time uncle Vern can pull something out of the bag.
Everytime NTW looses alot of Crew, they "dust-off" this old 767 story (+ others). This one has been around for years now, not even months...
Almost sounds like the continuous harping by a guy who owns quite a few J41's.
Let's hope, for all the "Wannabe Airline Pilot's" that maybe this time uncle Vern can pull something out of the bag.
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Sjoe! 
Think it will be a hard one to swallow for VB if NTW almost comes to a complete grind because Mango took just about all his crew
Who will he report to the Competition's Commission then - himself for treating his crew like dirt and now getting the same in return...?
Good on you guys
Think it will be a hard one to swallow for VB if NTW almost comes to a complete grind because Mango took just about all his crew
Who will he report to the Competition's Commission then - himself for treating his crew like dirt and now getting the same in return...?
Good on you guys
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Well, there are always resignations on the cards at Nationwide, so that's not so much news, more a case of 'business as usual' except this time I have a feeling they're really going to feel it!
From what I gather, the common question at Nationwide is 'So when are you leaving?', or 'Are you still with us, or just helping out with some freelance work?'. Or 'So how was the 737-800 conversion course?'
A friendly greeting would be along the lines of 'Hey, you're still here! How's it going! When did you say your Emirates interview was?'
From what I gather, the common question at Nationwide is 'So when are you leaving?', or 'Are you still with us, or just helping out with some freelance work?'. Or 'So how was the 737-800 conversion course?'
A friendly greeting would be along the lines of 'Hey, you're still here! How's it going! When did you say your Emirates interview was?'
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Ntw ?????
Hi Guys, If u are still with NTW its only because u cant swim, better learn quickly !!!!!! The rumors of 767 +1 and more a/c are created just for u by V.B.and V.B and co, after all, what else is that fake (Proved) still doing there???? After all things said about Vern, he's no fool !!! but window dressing is not forte, so , as it goes, start " swimming" lest u get caught in the down"draft".
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They could get twenty more aircraft, it doesn't matter and everyone knows it.....they just do not have the Captains available to fly the aircraft they have right now. And it's getting worse. If flights aren't already being cancelled, they soon will be, and lots of them. Nero fiddles while Rome burns.
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Plenty of a/c on mike apron!
The extra a/c that Vernon are looking for are already painted in the correct colours on mike apron at JIA! Now to organise commanders for them!
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Previously Nationwide have relied on a stagnant job market to hold onto crew. Now, that is no longer quite the case, and naturally the crew scatter to the four corners of the earth at the first opportunity. It's not just the pull factors from outside, it's the innumerable push factors coming from inside. Nationwide is (or *should* be) learning the hard way to take note of current trends. There's decent demand/movement in the industry, creating a slightly more healthy supply and demand situation. They want to hold onto crew, they're going to have to make some serious changes, not just in salaries, but in general attitude all round. They are *seriously* shortstaffed in multiple areas, and it should be clear enough where that can lead....
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I Dont think V.B. is going to get through this one, (1), and (2), he is going to turn around and blame Mango for his crew drain, 15 flt deck in all !!!! But you are right , the pressure to leave NTW is, i would say, more from the inside than the guys wanting to join a carrer based airline. look at how many pilots have left NTW for the east! As mentioned guys, swim now or be ---- !!!!
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I for one cannot believe that old Vern is going to just sit back and watch the ship go down- that would be a crying shame as the airline is probably in the best market position of all the local carriers. If the place was intelligently run then I have no doubt that they would punch well above their weight- they have had brief exceptional performances in the past, but I guess we can all agree that this was more fluke than by design.
Their lack of direction as pertains to disintermediation is now going to cost them big time- especially as there has never been a low fare airline( which is what they are) that has ever survived by selling their inventory only through one channel. They had the chances and didn’t grab them….. I think there are some very greatful competitors out there today….
Their lack of direction as pertains to disintermediation is now going to cost them big time- especially as there has never been a low fare airline( which is what they are) that has ever survived by selling their inventory only through one channel. They had the chances and didn’t grab them….. I think there are some very greatful competitors out there today….
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Status Quo
- Over 35 pilots has resigned in the last 12 months (when did she join? Another FTC?)
- Roster issued 3 days before for one week and changed by the time printed
- Briefing notice says may not contact roster clerks (when there is any) or disiplinary hearing!!!
- HR letter says do not ask if leave have been granted but never any confirmation
- first officers (one with no more than 200 hours on fluffie) doing simulator training of new pilots
- 30% increase offer to Captains to stay but still they resign. No quality of life. To little to late!
- Roster issued 3 days before for one week and changed by the time printed
- Briefing notice says may not contact roster clerks (when there is any) or disiplinary hearing!!!
- HR letter says do not ask if leave have been granted but never any confirmation
- first officers (one with no more than 200 hours on fluffie) doing simulator training of new pilots
- 30% increase offer to Captains to stay but still they resign. No quality of life. To little to late!
