Aea Algeria and N.A.C part company
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Well that could be a good thing for NAC. Sorry if any guys are looking for work because of this. I was there just after NAC started in Algeria with the 1900's. The Algerian connection has always been a bit strange. Had a few friends staying on after the algerians started taking over and they had {apparently} big issues with payment etc. Good luck to NAC Contracts in the future.
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hi guys , i m new in the forum , just want to know if there s algerians crew working for Air Express Algeria , and if there s a chance to work for them , i ve got a cpl/ir total flight time 260 hours ,live in algiers now.
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It's now official, N.A.C and A.E.A have parted company and the last a/c will leave Feb 2007.
It,s also comfirmed that Solenta are going to be the new A.E.A partners
It,s also comfirmed that Solenta are going to be the new A.E.A partners
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Funny how the little man in charge always looks south for help,and never goes north of the Mediteranian for ACMI?
Sad day for Solenta if they have been wooed by his words, yet another South Arican company gets itself greased up and bends itself over the barrel,ready for a shafting.
Wake up guys,Rossair couldnt make it,NAC couldnt make it....do yourselves a favour and walk away.....before the sand,the flies,the oil companies....and non payment issues get you
Sad day for Solenta if they have been wooed by his words, yet another South Arican company gets itself greased up and bends itself over the barrel,ready for a shafting.
Wake up guys,Rossair couldnt make it,NAC couldnt make it....do yourselves a favour and walk away.....before the sand,the flies,the oil companies....and non payment issues get you
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History has cycles...
I cannot believe it. Yet again. I need that secondhand camel salesman to negotiate my supply contracts on my behalf!. Is he good or are South African Companies just stupid!
Well, after Solenta there is a couple more...... hope they think they know what they are getting into. Hope Solenta knows that the oil companies insist on 5 week tours......
Well, after Solenta there is a couple more...... hope they think they know what they are getting into. Hope Solenta knows that the oil companies insist on 5 week tours......
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What is happening regarding the Solenta takeover? Is it happening? if so are they taking over the full contract, or only a few aircraft?
The NAC withdrawal is a fact! What happens to the crew working for NAC in Algeria? Will AEA be running the show and would history repeat itself? I hope someone can throw some light on the subject, just curious why this thread has gone so quiet!
Is it happening? if so are they taking over the full contract, or only a few aircraft?The NAC withdrawal is a fact! What happens to the crew working for NAC in Algeria? Will AEA be running the show and would history repeat itself? I hope someone can throw some light on the subject, just curious why this thread has gone so quiet!
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There facts and rumors at the moment.
Facts: N.A.C are pulling out and the last a/c to leave will end Feb 2007
N.A.C crew have not been officialy informed regarding jobs after the Algeria pullout.
Rumors:
Solenta have not signed a contract yet.
Solenta do not have the crew with the right requirements for the BP contract, which means that the south american crew will have to fly the Solenta a/c in the meantime .
A.V has resigned from AEA and his shares are up for sale.
The secondhand camel salesman also wants out of AEA.
Solenta are going to supply 3 a/c only.
Facts: N.A.C are pulling out and the last a/c to leave will end Feb 2007
N.A.C crew have not been officialy informed regarding jobs after the Algeria pullout.
Rumors:
Solenta have not signed a contract yet.
Solenta do not have the crew with the right requirements for the BP contract, which means that the south american crew will have to fly the Solenta a/c in the meantime .
A.V has resigned from AEA and his shares are up for sale.
The secondhand camel salesman also wants out of AEA.
Solenta are going to supply 3 a/c only.
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Thanks bathtub 200. I have a few friends involved and were curious on what was happening. If AV do resign, it would be the END! He has been the stabilising factor in AEA as I can gather. What is happening regarding AD? Is she still involved, or is it too soon for the "stone to start rolling"? Any news regarding Airtech and their involvement? Any news regarding would be welcome. Good luck to all the crew involved, I sincerely hope they do not get burned! They are the people that made this contract WORK!
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last i heard, AEA have gone to solenta for the 3 bp a/c only. supposedly, solenta can't supply any more. as all the south american captains are now in management positions, they will continue to fly the bp a/c. not sure whats to happen with the fo's. any news?
as for the other a/c, a little desert-birdie mentioned words like metroliner, jetstream and dash8, as well as the possibility of contracts going to competeing algerian companies.
the beginning of the end? start dodging boys...
as for the other a/c, a little desert-birdie mentioned words like metroliner, jetstream and dash8, as well as the possibility of contracts going to competeing algerian companies.
the beginning of the end? start dodging boys...
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thanx for bringing the subject up regarding A.D.Realiable sources have informed me that one of the reasons why A.V wants out is simply because he feels that A.D. is trying to work him out.Now ,A.V. has been around the block a few times and I'm sure he has the experience to sense what she's trying to achieve.
The N.A.C. pullout will not affect AIRTECH I believe .
As it was mentioned before on this thread, Solenta better do their homework properly otherwise they will suffer the same consequences as N.A.C did ie. not getting paid and being owed thousands of dollars.
thanx for bringing the subject up regarding A.D.Realiable sources have informed me that one of the reasons why A.V wants out is simply because he feels that A.D. is trying to work him out.Now ,A.V. has been around the block a few times and I'm sure he has the experience to sense what she's trying to achieve.
The N.A.C. pullout will not affect AIRTECH I believe .
As it was mentioned before on this thread, Solenta better do their homework properly otherwise they will suffer the same consequences as N.A.C did ie. not getting paid and being owed thousands of dollars.
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Rumours:
AV doesnt want to sell. He wants to buy the now very decomposed R.A shares.
AV doesnt feel theatened by AD, he is Maint. she is OPS.
AV has not resigned yet., and he doesnt have any plans to.
2nd HCS does not want out.
There are more rolling stones in the cockpits than in the offices.
Like all operators they are always looking at equipment to make their service more competitive and more productive.
NAC feels they can do better somewhere else. Rumour is they can
AEA feels they can get better service somewhere else. Rumour is they can.
NAC crews have seen the writing on the wall longer than they care to admit.
The clients are very picky regarding the operators, and pilots. Rumour has they have the final say.
Fact:
The king is dead! Long live the king!
Change is a fact of life, without change there is only death.
The only thing that normally changes during a palace revolution is the people at the top.
Pilots are indians not chiefs.
"reliable sources" never post but get someone to post on their behalf.
AV doesnt want to sell. He wants to buy the now very decomposed R.A shares.
AV doesnt feel theatened by AD, he is Maint. she is OPS.
AV has not resigned yet., and he doesnt have any plans to.
2nd HCS does not want out.
There are more rolling stones in the cockpits than in the offices.
Like all operators they are always looking at equipment to make their service more competitive and more productive.
NAC feels they can do better somewhere else. Rumour is they can
AEA feels they can get better service somewhere else. Rumour is they can.
NAC crews have seen the writing on the wall longer than they care to admit.
The clients are very picky regarding the operators, and pilots. Rumour has they have the final say.
Fact:
The king is dead! Long live the king!
Change is a fact of life, without change there is only death.
The only thing that normally changes during a palace revolution is the people at the top.
Pilots are indians not chiefs.
"reliable sources" never post but get someone to post on their behalf.
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AD was the best thing ever to happen to AEA, she looks after the crew and tries to make life bearable in an unbearable place (sure those who have spent some time there would agree) 1 of NAC's worst moves (among too many to mention) was letting her go in the first place.
Luckily I departed before the influx of the people from across the ocean, but I can mention that those who were there were not to highly regarded by others, and dare I say, just helped AEA down the drain, forcing good people to leave rather than endure more punishment in the forgotten world. And now they are in management positions....woe is the day
Lots can be said about the local influx, but thats a story for someone else to tell...nothing wrong with the people (locals that is) just that they have different ideas and training regarding flying than we here in South Africa enjoy, which makes for an unsavoury environment in the cockpit.
All the great people I had the pleasure working with have luckily moved on to greaner pastures, which thank the Good Lord, does not include NAC, but thats a whole different story..
Personally I dont think ANY South Africans should EVER be forced to endure that place EVER again, give it to the Venezuelans and the locals, keeps them out of our country and seats where its worth wile going, and theres LOTS of other places, one million times better.
Solenta PLEASE talk to some who have been made to suffer in that Hell, not only will you not get paid, but youll forever have a problem with crew, anyone with R10 in their pocket and a 172 rating will rather fly in the circuit at Lanseria than a 1900 in Algeria !
Luckily I departed before the influx of the people from across the ocean, but I can mention that those who were there were not to highly regarded by others, and dare I say, just helped AEA down the drain, forcing good people to leave rather than endure more punishment in the forgotten world. And now they are in management positions....woe is the day
Lots can be said about the local influx, but thats a story for someone else to tell...nothing wrong with the people (locals that is) just that they have different ideas and training regarding flying than we here in South Africa enjoy, which makes for an unsavoury environment in the cockpit.All the great people I had the pleasure working with have luckily moved on to greaner pastures, which thank the Good Lord, does not include NAC, but thats a whole different story..
Personally I dont think ANY South Africans should EVER be forced to endure that place EVER again, give it to the Venezuelans and the locals, keeps them out of our country and seats where its worth wile going, and theres LOTS of other places, one million times better.
Solenta PLEASE talk to some who have been made to suffer in that Hell, not only will you not get paid, but youll forever have a problem with crew, anyone with R10 in their pocket and a 172 rating will rather fly in the circuit at Lanseria than a 1900 in Algeria !
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The operation in Hassi is not going to be saved by AD.
Two operators have tried and failed, why, because the Algerian operation and management are not properly trained nor capable of running a business offering a service to large multi-national companies.
The South African operators must also take some blame, as all they were interested in was making huge profits for their directors and aircraft owners immediately instead of working to set up infastructure and training the Algerians.
However, it is evident that AEA cannot operate without SA'n input, ie. hardware and maintenance, but because of how things work in Algeria, and because of the geography (distance from SA) it is likely that Solenta will just experience all the same problems Rossair and NAC did.
If you pay peanuts you get monkeys, and that applies to the crews, the management, the caterers, the accomodation, everything.
The really sad thing about the situation is that AEA are not being paid peanuts by the likes of BP, Sonahess, Total, BHP and any other contracts they have.
If like Rossair and NAC claimed they were always paid late and short, one has to ask the question, where is the money going?
AEA has been operating for a few years now, and considering the money it has made over that period of time, the company and the operation has not advanced at all. It is operating under the template left by Rossair and NAC, soon Solenta can add their name to that list.
My advice, have nothing to do with the place, and if you must, get your hours and get out of there.
Two operators have tried and failed, why, because the Algerian operation and management are not properly trained nor capable of running a business offering a service to large multi-national companies.
The South African operators must also take some blame, as all they were interested in was making huge profits for their directors and aircraft owners immediately instead of working to set up infastructure and training the Algerians.
However, it is evident that AEA cannot operate without SA'n input, ie. hardware and maintenance, but because of how things work in Algeria, and because of the geography (distance from SA) it is likely that Solenta will just experience all the same problems Rossair and NAC did.
If you pay peanuts you get monkeys, and that applies to the crews, the management, the caterers, the accomodation, everything.
The really sad thing about the situation is that AEA are not being paid peanuts by the likes of BP, Sonahess, Total, BHP and any other contracts they have.
If like Rossair and NAC claimed they were always paid late and short, one has to ask the question, where is the money going?
AEA has been operating for a few years now, and considering the money it has made over that period of time, the company and the operation has not advanced at all. It is operating under the template left by Rossair and NAC, soon Solenta can add their name to that list.
My advice, have nothing to do with the place, and if you must, get your hours and get out of there.
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I must admit that i agree with southcoast on that one. It will never change over there. Sadly it's going to be the same story for Solenta as well.
Zoltan, i heard that the big venezuelan captain misses you terribly and that you were the best crew member he had ever flown with... apparently he taught you many things! Come now, surely a small bit of you misses that as well!!
Anyways, i think there are a few people in that organisation getting mighty rich from the good money the oil companies pay! A pity that it isn't redirected into the comapny and made a better place for all!!! ...mmmm pipe dreams i'm afraid. All i know is that Hassi will never see me again, still have nightmares about my time there!!!
My 2 cents, safe flying
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Zoltan, i heard that the big venezuelan captain misses you terribly and that you were the best crew member he had ever flown with... apparently he taught you many things! Come now, surely a small bit of you misses that as well!!
Anyways, i think there are a few people in that organisation getting mighty rich from the good money the oil companies pay! A pity that it isn't redirected into the comapny and made a better place for all!!! ...mmmm pipe dreams i'm afraid. All i know is that Hassi will never see me again, still have nightmares about my time there!!!
My 2 cents, safe flying
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S.C agree fully with your oppening statement, in actual fact a little empire is being built by A.D with the south americans which I predict,in time , will explode .The Algerians pilots are, at this moment, not very happy with the manner in which the south americans are being bundled into positions.
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Do you have an answer to the rumor that A.V is looking to Medavia for the supply of 1900's?
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Do you have an answer to the rumor that A.V is looking to Medavia for the supply of 1900's?