Chad rip-off threads combined
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We recently optained a court order to retrieve our aircraft from Chad.
The operator there disabled the hobbs and flew our BE20 for 150hours more than the hobbs indicated. We know this thanks to our hidden hobbs.
They damaged the aircraft through a hard landing but still flew it with a broken oleo.
The lease to purchase agreement went south a few months ago when the operator failed to pay his installments.
Although we tried to come to an agreement the operator refused to allow us to fix the aircraft or bring it back to SA.
The bad part is that the CHAD government was of no help and even arrested our crew when they went to retrieve the aircraft with a South African court order.
The aircraft is now stuck there and I understand that Interpol will now get involved.
So, be aware of what you are getting yourself into when sending your aircraft to Chad.
The operator there disabled the hobbs and flew our BE20 for 150hours more than the hobbs indicated. We know this thanks to our hidden hobbs.
They damaged the aircraft through a hard landing but still flew it with a broken oleo.
The lease to purchase agreement went south a few months ago when the operator failed to pay his installments.
Although we tried to come to an agreement the operator refused to allow us to fix the aircraft or bring it back to SA.
The bad part is that the CHAD government was of no help and even arrested our crew when they went to retrieve the aircraft with a South African court order.
The aircraft is now stuck there and I understand that Interpol will now get involved.
So, be aware of what you are getting yourself into when sending your aircraft to Chad.
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Last time I went there we landed at 2am in a Force 9 storm after Nigeria had closed our alternate airport and when we declined to leave again in ++RA GU40 etc immediately after refuelling we got guns stuck in our faces... what a charming spot
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Theft in Lanseria
In June 2005 I bought a Be 20 in Lanseria on lease purchase agreement. The deal was 200.000 $ deposit and 36 x 30.000 $ instalments from the aircraft delivery in Chad. I paid 200.000 $ on June 10th and the sellers promised to deliver the aircraft at the end of June with a new painting. I was so enthusiastic that I added 33.000 $ to upgrade the avionics (GNS 430)
In December 2005 the aircraft was not yet ready. The seller demanded me extra 90.000 $ supposed to be Oct. Nov. and Dec. instalments. He said without this extra he would not deliver the aircraft and not return the money. I paid, a little bit upset.
The aircraft was ready in February 2006 (with a poor cheap painting) but the seller said he was not selling the aircraft any more and would not return my money. Then to decrease my rage he said we could go to Chad with a simple lease agreement. Once again, no choice !
We flew 4 months in Chad and the aircraft had to return to South Africa for maintenance and gear failure. But the seller does not want to come back to the lease purchase agreement nor return my money. I understand that if the aircraft returns to South Africa I shall have no aircraft and loose all my money (330.000 US $)
I am obliged to take an action against him for theft. I did not know such people exist in aviation.
In December 2005 the aircraft was not yet ready. The seller demanded me extra 90.000 $ supposed to be Oct. Nov. and Dec. instalments. He said without this extra he would not deliver the aircraft and not return the money. I paid, a little bit upset.
The aircraft was ready in February 2006 (with a poor cheap painting) but the seller said he was not selling the aircraft any more and would not return my money. Then to decrease my rage he said we could go to Chad with a simple lease agreement. Once again, no choice !
We flew 4 months in Chad and the aircraft had to return to South Africa for maintenance and gear failure. But the seller does not want to come back to the lease purchase agreement nor return my money. I understand that if the aircraft returns to South Africa I shall have no aircraft and loose all my money (330.000 US $)
I am obliged to take an action against him for theft. I did not know such people exist in aviation.
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If I was you (and it was my money), I'll make sure all the paper trails are in order and then impound that aircraft in Chad or wherever. 
That sounds like the same disregard that these people have when using crew and then not paying them.
Mmm, that sounds like a good business proposal:
Get a contract, find someone who is "supposedly" paying for the aircraft and then source crew who you never had the intention of paying anyway...
That sounds like the same disregard that these people have when using crew and then not paying them.
Mmm, that sounds like a good business proposal:
Get a contract, find someone who is "supposedly" paying for the aircraft and then source crew who you never had the intention of paying anyway...
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Yes the papers are ok. The man cannot even dispute the amount of money he got from me. He just plays around with his attorney and tries to retrieve the aircraft by force. And for me not easy as I am far from South Africa and dont know exactly how it works. I found an attorney in Rose bank, he nearly charges me 10.000 US$ a week ! I thought for an obvious theft like that it would be easier. Also this man is (said) very strong in S.A. I asked my attorney "if a poor man in Soweto gives a down payment for a car and after a while the seller does not want to sell the car any longer nor return the money" what happens ? No reply...
Impound the aircraft ? Yes but legally, otherwise he will accuse me thief...
If you want a clue, there are nice antique aircraft in his hangar.
Thank you and best regards
Impound the aircraft ? Yes but legally, otherwise he will accuse me thief...
If you want a clue, there are nice antique aircraft in his hangar.
Thank you and best regards
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Though one could argue that you should not have concluded a deal like this at what seems to be arms length (where the danger always exists that you get taken for a ride no matter where in the world you are) I would not let this guy get away with it and find yourself a more reasonable lawyer!!! I would also have no hesitation exposing this guy as he will deserve all he gets - he cannot be allowed to take people for a ride - the industry must stick together. I would take this guy down big time
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You say you had a secret HOBS you can prove that of course, and have certified readings avilable? The operator says you took USD 330,000.00 off him for a lease purchase and cancelled the contract and refuse to pay him back his deposit. As I know both him and I know your reputation too, Id say you are in for a long ride. BTW dont try to enforce a court order issued in RSA in another country study an atlas and you will see T'chad is not part of South Africa and has never been so. big as you think you are it wont work.
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Mr Tbushpilot this individual is known for this kind of shyster deal KEEP THE AIRCRAFT and dont let it go till you have your money back. Have them arrested for theft of your money if they come to T'chad its that easy. I d like to see the individual concerneds face as he was led into the central prison In N'djamena........he would squeal like the pig he is.
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Thank you Napoleon ! I just found "shyster" on my dictionary, it fits excatly my seller. It is a good idea to impound the aircraft but it must be done legally otherwise I, shall be treated aircraft thief ! Fortunately my attorney tells me I have a "lien" with the aircraft and it will be legally retained with seals. Also those facts will have theft as a legal definition, this is easier in Court.
Well apparently you know my seller quite well ! But I dont wish Ndjamena Central Prison even to my worse ennemy !!!
Anyway all your messages warm up my heart because it is not comfortable to be in such situation.
Well apparently you know my seller quite well ! But I dont wish Ndjamena Central Prison even to my worse ennemy !!!
Anyway all your messages warm up my heart because it is not comfortable to be in such situation.
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The seller is well known in aviation, call any adveritiser in the Air News for example and ask them if they have done or would do business with this schyster. The answer will be a resonding NO @@@@ING WAY. BTW He is under investigation by law enforcement agencies in RSA.
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Hi Corndog
Well if this nasty operator has disabbled the Hobbs during the night, the pilot must write on the logbook "Hobbs inoperate" and has to log his flight hours, isn't it ? Unless the operator is also the pilot ? Otherwise for which benefit would the pilot take such a risk for his licence and his security (150 extra hours !) ???
About the arrested guys in Ndjamena, are you sure it is that simple, on one side the good white boys who arrive for Law enforcement and on the other side the nasty black policemen who do not respect anything ???
About Interpol be carefull they will not start with your boss
About the arrested guys in Ndjamena, are you sure it is that simple, on one side the good white boys who arrive for Law enforcement and on the other side the nasty black policemen who do not respect anything ???
About Interpol be carefull they will not start with your boss
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These scum are are beyond belief to have the audacity to rock up in T'chad to enforce a court order issued in RSA, its laughable they should have been given 21 days in N'djamen central just for trying to take the P**s
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After reading this I must say that I know Tbushpilot and I can varify that he is a good man and speaks the truth!
Tbushpilot, I hope you get your money back from this cockroach, he gives SA operators a bad name!
Regards-Your son(the older one)
PS: Does this guy still own the bigger Falcon jet that fetches the sick people?
Tbushpilot, I hope you get your money back from this cockroach, he gives SA operators a bad name!
Regards-Your son(the older one)
PS: Does this guy still own the bigger Falcon jet that fetches the sick people?
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Napoleon:
Why are you calling the crew that were sent to Chad scum? I believe that they were sent there as messengers of the South African High Court. They were not sent there as mercenaries and they never tried to steal the plane. They waited until the morning and presented their court documents to the Chadian authorities in order to carry out the ruling of the South African courts without causing a diplomatic row. They were just doing their job without ill intentions.
I also believe that the Frenchman who is in Chad has a habit of not paying his bills, and that he has on countless occassions sent double-invoices to the Chadian Government for single flights, modifying the second invoice slightly so that the Chadians end up paying for the same flight twice. In fact, he apparently openly brags about this to various people. I think it would be sensible to label him as "scum" then too. No?
IATA regulations stipulate that should a dispute arise surrounding the lease / purchase agreement on an aircraft, then the plane should be returned to the land where it is registered and the dispute settled in the courts of that country.
Finally, the treatment of the crew that were sent to Chad was reprehensible. The Chadians are in negotiations with the South African Government for a deal with Denel to obtain arms and possibly other defense equipment. But the Chadians offered very poor treatment to the crew as well as the South African Ambassador who assisted the crew while they were in Chad. This treatment has sparked a diplomatic row at the highest levels, all thanks to the on-going deceit of the Frenchman and his side-kick, Bin Laden.
An interesting point to note here: Did you know that the Frenchman was dismissed from the French Special Forces when it was discovered that he was having covert dealings with the ex Apartheid Government back in the day. Perhaps this is why he is afraid to return to France.
It should also be noted that the Frenchman has lost 3 aircraft in the past few years, with loss of life to passengers as well as pilots. He runs a shady and unsafe operation.
Moreover, it's more facinating to note that Tbushpilot is the Frenchman. Sorry to expose you, but the people need to know.
Now refer to the thread Theft in Lanseria as it is the same story with a twist.
So perhaps the rumours are true regarding the Frenchman ... he is a rat and a coward and South African operators should be warned about him. Every dog has it's day ... they say.
Why are you calling the crew that were sent to Chad scum? I believe that they were sent there as messengers of the South African High Court. They were not sent there as mercenaries and they never tried to steal the plane. They waited until the morning and presented their court documents to the Chadian authorities in order to carry out the ruling of the South African courts without causing a diplomatic row. They were just doing their job without ill intentions.
I also believe that the Frenchman who is in Chad has a habit of not paying his bills, and that he has on countless occassions sent double-invoices to the Chadian Government for single flights, modifying the second invoice slightly so that the Chadians end up paying for the same flight twice. In fact, he apparently openly brags about this to various people. I think it would be sensible to label him as "scum" then too. No?
IATA regulations stipulate that should a dispute arise surrounding the lease / purchase agreement on an aircraft, then the plane should be returned to the land where it is registered and the dispute settled in the courts of that country.
Finally, the treatment of the crew that were sent to Chad was reprehensible. The Chadians are in negotiations with the South African Government for a deal with Denel to obtain arms and possibly other defense equipment. But the Chadians offered very poor treatment to the crew as well as the South African Ambassador who assisted the crew while they were in Chad. This treatment has sparked a diplomatic row at the highest levels, all thanks to the on-going deceit of the Frenchman and his side-kick, Bin Laden.
An interesting point to note here: Did you know that the Frenchman was dismissed from the French Special Forces when it was discovered that he was having covert dealings with the ex Apartheid Government back in the day. Perhaps this is why he is afraid to return to France.
It should also be noted that the Frenchman has lost 3 aircraft in the past few years, with loss of life to passengers as well as pilots. He runs a shady and unsafe operation.
Moreover, it's more facinating to note that Tbushpilot is the Frenchman. Sorry to expose you, but the people need to know.
Now refer to the thread Theft in Lanseria as it is the same story with a twist.
So perhaps the rumours are true regarding the Frenchman ... he is a rat and a coward and South African operators should be warned about him. Every dog has it's day ... they say.
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Refer to comments in CHAD:Warning thread as this is the same story in two seperate threads.
Tbushpilot should not portray himself as the innocent victim here. Ask him why he still owes money for 80hrs for the useage of another BE20 that he leased in 2005 from another operator.
This is the true story behind what happened back then, as was told to me by the crew that were operating on that plane...
The BE20 that was operating in Chad in 2005 developed a problem with the HOBBS meter which stopped working. As this is not an MEL item and the plane could still operate, the crew began logging the flight times in the flight folio from Start to Shut-down. They then consulted the aircraft manuals and realised that the HOBBS meter records the flight times from a squat switch on the right-hand gear from lift-off to landing.
They went back to the operator to explain that they were going to modify the recorded flight times - in effect saving the operator taxi time charges from the owner of the plane.
They dilligently went back and rectified the error in times that were recorded. At MPI time, they told the operator that he should cancel the remaining charters as they had to return the plane to South Africa for the MPI. He then asked them to undertake the flights anyway and not log the flights in the folio.
He still owes the money for the outstanding 80hrs on the plane that was leased in 2005. He says that the pilots "cooked the books" for the owners of the plane. Why would they? They were on a salary at the time so there was no financial incentive to do so.
Tbushpilot is the real
crook!!
Tbushpilot should not portray himself as the innocent victim here. Ask him why he still owes money for 80hrs for the useage of another BE20 that he leased in 2005 from another operator.
This is the true story behind what happened back then, as was told to me by the crew that were operating on that plane...
The BE20 that was operating in Chad in 2005 developed a problem with the HOBBS meter which stopped working. As this is not an MEL item and the plane could still operate, the crew began logging the flight times in the flight folio from Start to Shut-down. They then consulted the aircraft manuals and realised that the HOBBS meter records the flight times from a squat switch on the right-hand gear from lift-off to landing.
They went back to the operator to explain that they were going to modify the recorded flight times - in effect saving the operator taxi time charges from the owner of the plane.
They dilligently went back and rectified the error in times that were recorded. At MPI time, they told the operator that he should cancel the remaining charters as they had to return the plane to South Africa for the MPI. He then asked them to undertake the flights anyway and not log the flights in the folio.
He still owes the money for the outstanding 80hrs on the plane that was leased in 2005. He says that the pilots "cooked the books" for the owners of the plane. Why would they? They were on a salary at the time so there was no financial incentive to do so.
Tbushpilot is the real
crook!!
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I think if we lined up the people who allege they were crooked by (lets say) your establishment and those who allege to have been crook by the Frenchman I wonder which line would be the longest ??????????????????????????
I think that would be only too obvious.
You are getting a bit carried away with your ramblings on about IATA rules what has IATA got to do with non IATA members? Diplomatic incident???????????? The law in T'chad is just as it is in RSA it can’t be changed as you would apparently like, by diplomats it’s the LAW. South African Govt contracts with T'chad being in jeopardy over a civil matter, please grow up for goodness sake. It’s fascinating you say the "Frenchman" is afraid to return to France then pray tell me how I met him there only 1 year ago? The reference to Osama Bin Laden is puerile in the extreme, once again grow up. I think you should post a copy of the original lease purchase contract so we may see who is who and what is what. If you have got nothing to hide you got nothing to lose either by posting it.
I think that would be only too obvious.
You are getting a bit carried away with your ramblings on about IATA rules what has IATA got to do with non IATA members? Diplomatic incident???????????? The law in T'chad is just as it is in RSA it can’t be changed as you would apparently like, by diplomats it’s the LAW. South African Govt contracts with T'chad being in jeopardy over a civil matter, please grow up for goodness sake. It’s fascinating you say the "Frenchman" is afraid to return to France then pray tell me how I met him there only 1 year ago? The reference to Osama Bin Laden is puerile in the extreme, once again grow up. I think you should post a copy of the original lease purchase contract so we may see who is who and what is what. If you have got nothing to hide you got nothing to lose either by posting it.