Crime in SA
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More anecdotal evidence that it's going down the tube:
Scary stuff. But an incident such as this has far more impact when it touches the lives of foreigners rather than the locals.
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British pupils attacked in SA
Eleven British school children, who were part of a group on a rugby and netball tour in South Africa, were attacked and robbed of R10 000 and ten cellphones in Honeydew earlier this week, West Rand police said on Saturday.
"The pupils were having a farewell party at a house in Honeydew on Tuesday at about 23:00 when eight men attacked them," said Captain Siphiwe Ndlovu.
The men were armed with two handguns, two knives and two garden spades.
"They assaulted the owner of the house and the children before taking their handbags and cellphones," said Ndlovu. The robbers also took two laptops and a computer and fled the scene on foot. The children did not sustain serious injuries. No shots were fired and the men were still at large, said Ndlovu. The teenagers were part of a group of 42 British school children on a sports tour in South Africa. Four South African children who were also attending the party, were also attacked. The tour group stayed at the Allen Glen High School on the West Rand. The father of one of the South African children, 59-year-old Pierre Francois Boote gave the party for the teenagers before they left for Sun City. He told a British newspaper that the masked robbers charged into the house and forced the children into the lounge. He said one of the British girls, a pupil of the Bishop Stopford School in Northamptonshire, was dragged around by her hair while a firearm was held against her head.
The robbers assaulted Boote with a crow bar, but he still managed to call the Honeydew police. The robbers, however, fled on foot. A Spokesperson for the British High Commissioner in South Africa, Russ Dixon said the children were severely traumatised and received counselling. He said their parents were very worried about them, but the tour would continue as planned. The group was expected to go to Cape Town (do they think it's any safer there?) on Sunday and would return to the UK on August 8.
Eleven British school children, who were part of a group on a rugby and netball tour in South Africa, were attacked and robbed of R10 000 and ten cellphones in Honeydew earlier this week, West Rand police said on Saturday.
"The pupils were having a farewell party at a house in Honeydew on Tuesday at about 23:00 when eight men attacked them," said Captain Siphiwe Ndlovu.
The men were armed with two handguns, two knives and two garden spades.
"They assaulted the owner of the house and the children before taking their handbags and cellphones," said Ndlovu. The robbers also took two laptops and a computer and fled the scene on foot. The children did not sustain serious injuries. No shots were fired and the men were still at large, said Ndlovu. The teenagers were part of a group of 42 British school children on a sports tour in South Africa. Four South African children who were also attending the party, were also attacked. The tour group stayed at the Allen Glen High School on the West Rand. The father of one of the South African children, 59-year-old Pierre Francois Boote gave the party for the teenagers before they left for Sun City. He told a British newspaper that the masked robbers charged into the house and forced the children into the lounge. He said one of the British girls, a pupil of the Bishop Stopford School in Northamptonshire, was dragged around by her hair while a firearm was held against her head.
The robbers assaulted Boote with a crow bar, but he still managed to call the Honeydew police. The robbers, however, fled on foot. A Spokesperson for the British High Commissioner in South Africa, Russ Dixon said the children were severely traumatised and received counselling. He said their parents were very worried about them, but the tour would continue as planned. The group was expected to go to Cape Town (do they think it's any safer there?) on Sunday and would return to the UK on August 8.
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With now estimated 7 million illegals in the country it will be an unstoppable tsunami of crime....
Does the government not realise that the biggest single problem this country faces is the fact that everybody else north of the border are on their way over here to the land of milk and honey to come and collect!!???
Does the government not realise that the biggest single problem this country faces is the fact that everybody else north of the border are on their way over here to the land of milk and honey to come and collect!!???
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What we are facing as South Africans is an invasion and nobody seems to care except to comment around the braai that your Zimbabwean gardener is real hard working. ( As a whitey whose forefathers essentially invaded their way in here 300 years ago the irony is not lost on me...)
Dont get me wrong - I have a lot of sympathy for all the displaced people of Africa - but SA can unfortunately not absorb and support literally millions of illegals....
Dont get me wrong - I have a lot of sympathy for all the displaced people of Africa - but SA can unfortunately not absorb and support literally millions of illegals....
PaxBoy : Your post made for fascinating reading. Thanks. An excellent posting and it makes a lot of sense.
Aside from that, I really also WISH everybody would get off this stupid band-wagon of "the crime is there because of the poverty". And we need investment to cure the poverty and crime. What ABSOLUTE RUBBISH!
The violent crime we are experiencing today has NOTHING to do with poverty. You will NEVER convince me that the AK47 gun-wielding thugs who just yesterday took over the local Shoprite / Checkers grocery store were 3 weeks ago humble decent folk trying to find a job legitimately, but couldn't.
No way. These guys are very organised, and trained (I suspect ex-Umkhonto we Sizwe or Zimbabwe airmy TERRORISTS). And they know crime pays much higher than getting a decent job. Chances are they will easily get away with it in SA. Our police are basically USELESS, and our justice system is in a shambles. They LITERALLY get away with murder, EVERY DAY.
Nobody can tell me that the absolutely HEINOUS crimes committed on farmers etc has ANYTHING to do with poverty!! (Sometimes nothing is stolen in the process).
What absolute bull.
Bring on the death penalty I say. In fact, lets start having a few public be-headings on Greenmarket Square in Cape Town like they do in Saudi Arabia. All we need is 3 or 4 Saturday afternoons and crime will disappear overnight here.
To say Saudi Arabia has a "barbaric society" compared to the west or SA is a joke. With the number of people dying of violent crimes in SA, who is REALLY living in a more barbaric society? (Considering perhaps only about 40 be-headings take place per annum in Saudi Arabia, and the offended family is ALWAYS given a choice to overturn the court's ruling in Saudi Arabia. MAN, that is a GOOD system! And just what we need here.)
Off my soapbox...
Aside from that, I really also WISH everybody would get off this stupid band-wagon of "the crime is there because of the poverty". And we need investment to cure the poverty and crime. What ABSOLUTE RUBBISH!
The violent crime we are experiencing today has NOTHING to do with poverty. You will NEVER convince me that the AK47 gun-wielding thugs who just yesterday took over the local Shoprite / Checkers grocery store were 3 weeks ago humble decent folk trying to find a job legitimately, but couldn't.
No way. These guys are very organised, and trained (I suspect ex-Umkhonto we Sizwe or Zimbabwe airmy TERRORISTS). And they know crime pays much higher than getting a decent job. Chances are they will easily get away with it in SA. Our police are basically USELESS, and our justice system is in a shambles. They LITERALLY get away with murder, EVERY DAY.
Nobody can tell me that the absolutely HEINOUS crimes committed on farmers etc has ANYTHING to do with poverty!! (Sometimes nothing is stolen in the process).
What absolute bull.
Bring on the death penalty I say. In fact, lets start having a few public be-headings on Greenmarket Square in Cape Town like they do in Saudi Arabia. All we need is 3 or 4 Saturday afternoons and crime will disappear overnight here.
To say Saudi Arabia has a "barbaric society" compared to the west or SA is a joke. With the number of people dying of violent crimes in SA, who is REALLY living in a more barbaric society? (Considering perhaps only about 40 be-headings take place per annum in Saudi Arabia, and the offended family is ALWAYS given a choice to overturn the court's ruling in Saudi Arabia. MAN, that is a GOOD system! And just what we need here.)
Off my soapbox...
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Originally Posted by barryt
Bring on the death penalty I say. In fact, lets start having a few public be-headings on Greenmarket Square in Cape Town like they do in Saudi Arabia. All we need is 3 or 4 Saturday afternoons and crime will disappear overnight here.
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Originally Posted by barryt
The violent crime we are experiencing today has NOTHING to do with poverty.
I felt far safer in Zim at night that most places in SA..........we need a really efficient, well paid, well-armed police force, and some tough judgements to be handed down. And - GET RID OF THE CORRUPTION!!!!!!!!
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The only reason you felt safe in Zim is cause all the Zim criminals are over in SA where the loot is.There's nothing left in Zim to steal.Hahahaha
And take that number of illegals I quoted ( 7 million ) with a pinch of salt. Cant remember now if thats the figure for illegals or the starting salary required that I filled in on my last job application. Where's my whiskey. Or maybe its the forecast 2007 oil price. Or the average mayor's salary. Or the new decision alt at JHB once all the equipment gets stolen.....
And take that number of illegals I quoted ( 7 million ) with a pinch of salt. Cant remember now if thats the figure for illegals or the starting salary required that I filled in on my last job application. Where's my whiskey. Or maybe its the forecast 2007 oil price. Or the average mayor's salary. Or the new decision alt at JHB once all the equipment gets stolen.....
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Another article yesterday in the Independant new, by Lindiwe Mabuza(high commision), pointing out how good the government is and how they are fighting crime, and had to take over from a government with racist policies, and stating it would be a dis-service to discourage people from coming to SA, saying readers should read between the lines, and envites all to come visit. She went as far as saying the government and private sector are working together and results showed that crime has reduced in JHB Gauteng.
That site is working as the government is now going out of its way here
to show they are doing something to fight the crime. The question is are they really or is this just another way of trying to save face with the European community, is there any truth to her story? If they are winning against crime then this might be the start to a safer SA which all will welcome
That site is working as the government is now going out of its way here
to show they are doing something to fight the crime. The question is are they really or is this just another way of trying to save face with the European community, is there any truth to her story? If they are winning against crime then this might be the start to a safer SA which all will welcome
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Eye in the sky
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A type of 10m balloon such as is normally seen at show-grounds could be the answer to helping curb Johannesburg’s alarming crime spiral – watching your back as you walk the streets of the city.
An Israeli company is hoping to convince the organisers of the 2010 World Cup that this is a piece of equipment that could hover outside each stadium. The company offers professional security services, one of its innovations being the “secure zone concept”, and it boasts a variety of advanced surveillance technology which could be a solution to the high crime rate in SA, which they say could be curbed by up to 60% or more in Johannesburg alone. It will include prevention of terror attacks and improved policing.
The white balloon that can be seen over Rosebank is fitted with an eagle-eyed camera that covers a 3 km radius and can rotate in all directions, sending visuals to the control room via wireless technology. It can be focused on any street by a click on the map and the operator can zoom in as much as necessary.
A type of 10m balloon such as is normally seen at show-grounds could be the answer to helping curb Johannesburg’s alarming crime spiral – watching your back as you walk the streets of the city.
An Israeli company is hoping to convince the organisers of the 2010 World Cup that this is a piece of equipment that could hover outside each stadium. The company offers professional security services, one of its innovations being the “secure zone concept”, and it boasts a variety of advanced surveillance technology which could be a solution to the high crime rate in SA, which they say could be curbed by up to 60% or more in Johannesburg alone. It will include prevention of terror attacks and improved policing.
The white balloon that can be seen over Rosebank is fitted with an eagle-eyed camera that covers a 3 km radius and can rotate in all directions, sending visuals to the control room via wireless technology. It can be focused on any street by a click on the map and the operator can zoom in as much as necessary.
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"The white balloon that can be seen over Rosebank is fitted with an eagle-eyed camera that covers a 3 km radius and can rotate in all directions, sending visuals to the control room via wireless technology. It can be focused on any street by a click on the map and the operator can zoom in as much as necessary. "
Thats all great but then:
1) Whos going to repsond to the crime in progress and
2) What will they do when they get there in a few hours.
Thats all great but then:
1) Whos going to repsond to the crime in progress and
2) What will they do when they get there in a few hours.
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to continue from Bert's post -
and what does it help they do catch them when
1. the Prosecution's case is full of holes and is thrown out of court, or
2. witnesses get killed before the trial, or
3. after locking them up they are freed in an amnesty 6 months later
or
4. there's another 5 million criminals doing the same thing elsewhere at the same time
and what does it help they do catch them when
1. the Prosecution's case is full of holes and is thrown out of court, or
2. witnesses get killed before the trial, or
3. after locking them up they are freed in an amnesty 6 months later
or
4. there's another 5 million criminals doing the same thing elsewhere at the same time
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Crime in SA - A Blog
Hey,
Fell across this blog a couple of weeks ago, looks like the country is full of crime, including drug running aircraft personnel. I lived in SA for about 4 years in the mid to late 80's when SA was beautiful, organized and somewhat well regulated. Check this out;
http://southafricaiscrap.********.com/
and the main page at
http://www.blogger.com/profile/27295630
Looks pretty nasty... (and no, this isn't my blog, I just find it interesting in the subjectiveness of its content).
Fell across this blog a couple of weeks ago, looks like the country is full of crime, including drug running aircraft personnel. I lived in SA for about 4 years in the mid to late 80's when SA was beautiful, organized and somewhat well regulated. Check this out;
http://southafricaiscrap.********.com/
and the main page at
http://www.blogger.com/profile/27295630
Looks pretty nasty... (and no, this isn't my blog, I just find it interesting in the subjectiveness of its content).
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The REAL figures
Talk to a policeman, maybe some of the Air Wing guys can comment here, and get the REAL crime rates...........U WILL B shocked!!
The 2010 hype is very short sighted. How many countries showed a profit after a World Cup, and the fact is that S.A. is pretty isolated in the number of matches played in the country after 2010
. Maybe Germany can make some money out of their stadiums, as they are central in Europe, and they have so many different tournaments all year round to host.
My concern is not 2010, but what about 2012 and after, when reality kicks in and all the false expectations have not been met?
A recent interview with Harald Parkendorf ( hope the spelling is correct, he is a "liberal" political annalist) on Carte Blanche ( South African 60 minutes kind of program ) said in a survey in 2005 among top corporations, 23% of them will not invest as a result of crime. Then a further number of them were worried about unreliable power supply. Even the high price of Telecom (including internet) was keeping company's away.
All this while the fat cats tell us it is all right, looking good, 2010 miracle year Bla, bla, bla
The 2010 hype is very short sighted. How many countries showed a profit after a World Cup, and the fact is that S.A. is pretty isolated in the number of matches played in the country after 2010
. Maybe Germany can make some money out of their stadiums, as they are central in Europe, and they have so many different tournaments all year round to host.My concern is not 2010, but what about 2012 and after, when reality kicks in and all the false expectations have not been met?
A recent interview with Harald Parkendorf ( hope the spelling is correct, he is a "liberal" political annalist) on Carte Blanche ( South African 60 minutes kind of program ) said in a survey in 2005 among top corporations, 23% of them will not invest as a result of crime. Then a further number of them were worried about unreliable power supply. Even the high price of Telecom (including internet) was keeping company's away.
All this while the fat cats tell us it is all right, looking good, 2010 miracle year Bla, bla, bla
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Unfortunately from a First World perspective, guess what:
No one cares about South Africa.
If the First World cared, you'd have air craft carriers off your coast, and your leaders would be held to account.
Wait till you get re-colonised, that might help.
Best of luck with your corrupt leaders.
No one cares about South Africa.
If the First World cared, you'd have air craft carriers off your coast, and your leaders would be held to account.
Wait till you get re-colonised, that might help.
Best of luck with your corrupt leaders.
Está servira para distraerle.
So in less than four years' time, when thousands upon thousands of football fans and hooligans have travelled down from Europe to the bolt hole of the southern hemisphere; are we going to be faced with a situation where the trash of Europe meets that of Africa? It would wonderful to think that each side would fight the other to the death, but I fear that the South African Police Force will be able to neither contain one faction nor control the other. Whilst not being much of a fan of either football or street violence, remarkably little to choose between the two these days in terms of spectator satisfaction, it is going to be pleasant indeed to have a choice as to which form of mindless bovine excercise one will watch on the television. This is, of course, presupposing that the SABC will be able to televise anything at all.
It is quite understandable that an Israeli company should be tendering for the contract to manage security at the cup games. The Israel/South African connection is a long and strong one, both at cultural and military levels. However, there might be those who could argue the inadvisability, from a terrorist target point of view, of employing an Israeli company in such a high profile role in the one city in the southern hemisphere with the highest Jewish population. A more innocuous, although probably less efficient course of action, would be to employ a British company. Of course, there will be a lot of Nigerians in Johannesburg by then who could be roped in to help direct traffic.
It would be a very real blessing to all concerned were the men in charge of the football fandango to remove South Africa from its present ridiculously unattainable position as host country as soon as possible. But this will not happen and so...It is going to be a gas! I have every intention of being there to watch the fun.
