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Ich my bro!
Its too see u
, picking your nose and reading the paper while u should be out there polishing the 
plane !!
They should start putting it the cockpit 2
,
Better put my tail between my legs and start running?? Going to get off for this one??
No, just pulling your flying wires!
Don't think there is any law, we have a few in our hangers to see who are the ones taking the nippies out the bar.
Big Brother is watching You!
Its too see u
, picking your nose and reading the paper while u should be out there polishing the plane !!They should start putting it the cockpit 2
,Better put my tail between my legs and start running?? Going to get
off for this one??No, just pulling your flying wires!
Don't think there is any law, we have a few in our hangers to see who are the ones taking the nippies out the bar.
Big Brother is watching You!
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Its their building, so they can look where ever they want.
If you ever can , have a look at a shopping centre or casinos system, they look everywhere, and i mean everywhere. Showed a system to a girfriend once, and its the last time she ever tried something on in a shop
If you ever can , have a look at a shopping centre or casinos system, they look everywhere, and i mean everywhere. Showed a system to a girfriend once, and its the last time she ever tried something on in a shop
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Cameras and the law
Don't worry. They can only prosecute you for stealing their fuel if they have posted a notice stating that the area is under surveillance. Happy shopping my bra!!!!!
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Thanks guys!
I just thought it was quite funny seeing that CCTV there...Really dont know for what and why in a pilots room (none in hangars by the way!)??
Regarding the camera in a cockpit, I agree we need them.Would make flying much safer!!
G'day!
I just thought it was quite funny seeing that CCTV there...Really dont know for what and why in a pilots room (none in hangars by the way!)??
Regarding the camera in a cockpit, I agree we need them.Would make flying much safer!!
G'day!
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Regarding the camera in a cockpit, I agree we need them.Would make flying much safer!!
The crew might be more worried about making things look right for the camera than doing their job safely.
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Huh
Originally Posted by Pieter_Pieletjie
Does anyone know how the law stands on CCTV's in the workplace?
E.G Pilot's rooms?
E.G Pilot's rooms?
Originally Posted by Pieter_Pieletjie
Regarding the camera in a cockpit, I agree we need them.Would make flying much safer!!
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You may change your mind regarding camera's in the cockpit after seeing a buddies fatal accident spread all over the internet - because those kind of video's WILL get out.
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I'll give it to you guys,but how many accidents could have been solved with CCTV?If your against that you should be against CVR's as well.
The one hears and the other one sees!!
The one hears and the other one sees!!
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What the
Pieletjie judging by your posts one presumes that you are SLF.
You are infact not at all a pilot or not involved in aviation
whatsoever!!
How about we put a nice little "pin camera" next to your
pc at work and see how productive you are and scrutinise
your every move!
Sometimes I just dont get your type!
ps: I think that I can vouch for all of us trained professionals that
we are all for CVR'S.
You are infact not at all a pilot or not involved in aviation
whatsoever!!
How about we put a nice little "pin camera" next to your
pc at work and see how productive you are and scrutinise
your every move!
Sometimes I just dont get your type!
ps: I think that I can vouch for all of us trained professionals that
we are all for CVR'S.
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This argument, as far as I know, has come and gone. I believe the concensus amongst aviation professionals (NOT just pilots) is that while it may sound good, in practice it's not that great. Here's an example:
Prior to a fatal accident, a crewmember reaches over, puts his hand on a switch/button relevant to the cause of the accident. He pauses, seemingly unsure of what to do, then takes his hand away. Now - did he actually flick the switch/push the button or not? Is the camera going to be have sufficient resolution (ie be expensive enough) to pick it up? Will the camera be able to see whether a light is on or off in direct sunlight (a tough job for a camera, given the large contrast between light and shadow in an airliner cockpit). Will that system be tied into the DFDR, so the switch position/light could be independantly verified? If the DFDR is good enough, do you need a camera? A seemingly trivial point perhaps, but possibly adding more unknowns.
Plus, along the lines of what I already stated, I don't want MY family seeing me get ripped apart if I make a total botch of it, thank you very much. Not that I plan on doing that of course, indeed quite the opposite, but then neither did so many dead pilots before me.
In any case, there are VERY few totally unsolved airline accidents. Adding a video recorder (or two) that can record at enough detail to be useful, while still having a crash and fire resistant recording component, will just add an enormous cost (this being the aviation world after all) for less than zero benefit. IMHO. I'm not close minded about the issue, I'm open to arguements for it - but so far I remain unconvinced.
Prior to a fatal accident, a crewmember reaches over, puts his hand on a switch/button relevant to the cause of the accident. He pauses, seemingly unsure of what to do, then takes his hand away. Now - did he actually flick the switch/push the button or not? Is the camera going to be have sufficient resolution (ie be expensive enough) to pick it up? Will the camera be able to see whether a light is on or off in direct sunlight (a tough job for a camera, given the large contrast between light and shadow in an airliner cockpit). Will that system be tied into the DFDR, so the switch position/light could be independantly verified? If the DFDR is good enough, do you need a camera? A seemingly trivial point perhaps, but possibly adding more unknowns.
Plus, along the lines of what I already stated, I don't want MY family seeing me get ripped apart if I make a total botch of it, thank you very much. Not that I plan on doing that of course, indeed quite the opposite, but then neither did so many dead pilots before me.
In any case, there are VERY few totally unsolved airline accidents. Adding a video recorder (or two) that can record at enough detail to be useful, while still having a crash and fire resistant recording component, will just add an enormous cost (this being the aviation world after all) for less than zero benefit. IMHO. I'm not close minded about the issue, I'm open to arguements for it - but so far I remain unconvinced.
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Noooooo to cameras in the cockpit. It would only make it easier to pin an accident on the pilots that are lying in the wreckage. As was stated elsewhere in this tread, "did he push that button or didn't he?" CVR's have certainly found their place in the cockpit and gather/record sufficient information in most cases to give clues as to what happened during, or led to an accident.
Regarding the camera in the pilots room, ohhh shame the poor ....s! I could imagine what happened there, some fool decided to earn some brownie points with the boss and came with the idea of a camera. "Look there Mr. Boss-man, I told you he is the useless one, that steals coffee, picks his nose squeezes the secretary during work time ..... Don/t you think I am wonderful to present this proof to you?"
Don't laugh or think I am making this up, worked under similar conditions at another company.
Regarding the camera in the pilots room, ohhh shame the poor ....s! I could imagine what happened there, some fool decided to earn some brownie points with the boss and came with the idea of a camera. "Look there Mr. Boss-man, I told you he is the useless one, that steals coffee, picks his nose squeezes the secretary during work time ..... Don/t you think I am wonderful to present this proof to you?"
Don't laugh or think I am making this up, worked under similar conditions at another company.
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This is an age-old topic in aviation. Fact is that it probably wont make aviation any safer but it certainly will contribute to accident investigation tremendously. Problems arise with regards to confidentiality laws, leaking of video material not to mention the continuous requirement to cover your @rse when at work.
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Don't you all think its enough already that we get tested and prodded and poked and questioned and evaluated and monitored and checked and examined and x rayed and pisstested and whatever else I missed around every corner every day as professional pilots???
In my company the damn satelite connected maintenance computers notify ops of my late landing flap selection or ils deviation or any one of a 100 things they monitor and I get an e mail in my box about the exceedance before the chocks are in!!!
Cameras would be the last straw...
In my company the damn satelite connected maintenance computers notify ops of my late landing flap selection or ils deviation or any one of a 100 things they monitor and I get an e mail in my box about the exceedance before the chocks are in!!!
Cameras would be the last straw...
