B200 Dual engine failure - forced lob into W'boom
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B200 Dual engine failure - forced lob into W'boom
Did u guys hear of the king air 200 zs-PAM had double engine flame out on Friday 07 JULY AT 14.00. Near Pretoria in South africa.
He first declared an emergency with radar at about 14000ft, saying they had a flame out of an engine.Two minutes later they said on radar that both had flammed out and they were going for wonderboom airport for a emergency landing.
Rumour has it that this was an official charter with pax .The crew did an amazing job and dead sticked the aircraft in for a safe landing all pax 100% fine.Caa was on the scene to do an investigation.Aircraft flew back to base a few hours later???
He first declared an emergency with radar at about 14000ft, saying they had a flame out of an engine.Two minutes later they said on radar that both had flammed out and they were going for wonderboom airport for a emergency landing.
Rumour has it that this was an official charter with pax .The crew did an amazing job and dead sticked the aircraft in for a safe landing all pax 100% fine.Caa was on the scene to do an investigation.Aircraft flew back to base a few hours later???
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Heard about it and is also very curious to find out more detail.
Anyone know where the aircraft departed from (I assume this happened while climbing out from FALA or FAJS).
I know ZS-PAN operates in/out of FAWB frequently - Based in Greytown and belongs to the PANNAR group. Cannot recall ever seeing a BE20 with reg ZS-PAM.
Anyone know where the aircraft departed from (I assume this happened while climbing out from FALA or FAJS).
I know ZS-PAN operates in/out of FAWB frequently - Based in Greytown and belongs to the PANNAR group. Cannot recall ever seeing a BE20 with reg ZS-PAM.
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Originally Posted by Q4NVS
Heard about it and is also very curious to find out more detail.
Anyone know where the aircraft departed from (I assume this happened while climbing out from FALA or FAJS).
I know ZS-PAN operates in/out of FAWB frequently - Based in Greytown and belongs to the PANNAR group. Cannot recall ever seeing a BE20 with reg ZS-PAM.
Anyone know where the aircraft departed from (I assume this happened while climbing out from FALA or FAJS).
I know ZS-PAN operates in/out of FAWB frequently - Based in Greytown and belongs to the PANNAR group. Cannot recall ever seeing a BE20 with reg ZS-PAM.
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ZS-PAM used to belong to Balmoral. Flew it in Angola in the mid 90's. So the girl is still going.When I flew it it had about 18000 hours on the airframe and that was 10 years or so ago....!!!!!
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Sewage runs downhill, boet. When companies are in trouble it's rarely the management or directors who take it in the neck. The crews will invariably suffer at the end of the day so gloating is kind of self defeating.
Let's hope it was nothing that can bite anyone and be glad all walked away from this unscathed.
There, but for the grace of God...
Let's hope it was nothing that can bite anyone and be glad all walked away from this unscathed.
There, but for the grace of God...
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I understand that it was a dual flame out due to fuel starvation.
Aircraft was enroute from a strip in the lowveld, methinks Ngala, back to Lanseria with 10 american tourists on board.
Sounds like it was a good deadstick landing though although any good sentiment in this regard is negated by the dodgy fuel planning in this case.
Lucky that everyone walked away from it.
Aircraft was enroute from a strip in the lowveld, methinks Ngala, back to Lanseria with 10 american tourists on board.
Sounds like it was a good deadstick landing though although any good sentiment in this regard is negated by the dodgy fuel planning in this case.
Lucky that everyone walked away from it.
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well done
Well done to the crew for a safe dead stick landing at "Wondertree" . Tho it seems like fuel starvation i hope ET and CAA will be gentle on the captain for bringin the pax and their a/c home in one piece. A short of the field landing would have caused fatalities, and a broken aeroplane.
mmmh sounds like a catch 22 situation
And ZS-PAM aint a gentle lady anymore, she is due for retirement soon 29 000 odd hours on the clock, a thousand away from safe fatigue life for a BE20 and she has done long & hard contract flying in Africa
Anyhow well done again to the crew they need a MEDAL
mmmh sounds like a catch 22 situation
And ZS-PAM aint a gentle lady anymore, she is due for retirement soon 29 000 odd hours on the clock, a thousand away from safe fatigue life for a BE20 and she has done long & hard contract flying in Africa
Anyhow well done again to the crew they need a MEDAL
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If the crew did indeed run out of fuel, then they definitely do NOT deserve any medals, regardless of the safe outcome.
Then again, lets wait for the facts to find out what the cause of the double engine flameout was.
Then again, lets wait for the facts to find out what the cause of the double engine flameout was.
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Hey Rattex,
Afraid I have to agree with Woof on this one the crew do certainly not deserve a medal for running out of fuel.
The crew were discussing their concern regarding their fuel and the accuracy of their guages at the departure field with some other chaps shortly before they all got airborne so it seems they were somewhat aware of their shortage of "go-juice" and decide to go anyway.
Afraid I have to agree with Woof on this one the crew do certainly not deserve a medal for running out of fuel.
The crew were discussing their concern regarding their fuel and the accuracy of their guages at the departure field with some other chaps shortly before they all got airborne so it seems they were somewhat aware of their shortage of "go-juice" and decide to go anyway.
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Good old PAM. Last time I flew her she had an overnight and unexplained rippled left aileron, no weather radar (the hole was great for sandwiches), neither turn co-ordinator working, the only AI working was on the copilot side, and the only HSI working was on the captain's side, the yaw damper was inoperative, the door could only be closed by turning the bleeds off, the fuel guages were stuffed, and the seat covers could have done with a GOOD wash. (Did I say I flew her? Tut, tut)
Like a good prostitute PAM delivered the goods, even though best viewed with the lights off.
Delighted to hear she is still offering her services.
Like a good prostitute PAM delivered the goods, even though best viewed with the lights off.
Delighted to hear she is still offering her services.
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Without pre-empting the CAA's enquiry, some thoughts on this matter:
- why fly an aircraft with dodgy fuel gauges?
- A Be200 with 10 pax is pretty full, does it have a baggage pod?
- Performance? Airplane old and tired? Can it still handle a marginal strip?
- If the pax are Americans, they LOVE litigation; could be a tricky one if any negligence is proven.
There is pressure to fly sometimes - we all know this. For those who are in situations of a similar nature, think of the consequences if things go pear-shaped.
Old airplanes do have more problems generally. It is up to the pilots to make sure they are 100% happy with the equipment prior to flight. Routinely accepting an unserviceability, and routinely getting away with it, does not make it OK.........any accident is a tragedy, and tempting fate this way is not for the faint-hearted.
Africa has a bad air safety reputation as it is - let's try and improve it by NOT accepting pressure to fly, regardless. I know it is easier to say this than put it into practice, but it it the crews' licences that are on the line............
Fly safe. Think safety. All the time.
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- why fly an aircraft with dodgy fuel gauges?
- A Be200 with 10 pax is pretty full, does it have a baggage pod?
- Performance? Airplane old and tired? Can it still handle a marginal strip?
- If the pax are Americans, they LOVE litigation; could be a tricky one if any negligence is proven.
There is pressure to fly sometimes - we all know this. For those who are in situations of a similar nature, think of the consequences if things go pear-shaped.
Old airplanes do have more problems generally. It is up to the pilots to make sure they are 100% happy with the equipment prior to flight. Routinely accepting an unserviceability, and routinely getting away with it, does not make it OK.........any accident is a tragedy, and tempting fate this way is not for the faint-hearted.
Africa has a bad air safety reputation as it is - let's try and improve it by NOT accepting pressure to fly, regardless. I know it is easier to say this than put it into practice, but it it the crews' licences that are on the line............
Fly safe. Think safety. All the time.
M
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A Be200 with 10 pax is pretty full, does it have a baggage pod?
When the company's making money who needs a weather radar, yaw damper, fuel guages............
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Woof, Maxrated
Of course no credit for runnin outa fuel, but hey give em credit for their SUPER judgement and capability to land the aircraft deadstick into Wonderboom, its one in a million!!!!!!
Thaz also why i said its a catch 22, land safe or crash somewhere short killing everyone, either way you screwed.
The fuel gauges on that a/c were dodgy tho they were told the a/c was refueled that is standard at that company you ask for the amount of fuel the night before and they do it, i understand u(the pilot) still need to check it yourself but havent you guys ever made a mistake and gotten away with it, dont be so quick to point fingers at your pilot colleagues.
The industry also have to realise that these old aeroplanes need to retire at some time in their life, they become a safety risk for aviation regardless of the maintenance done on them, they get old and clapped out
Anyhow hope both parties have realised reality so that future flying with them will be more accurate and safer
Of course no credit for runnin outa fuel, but hey give em credit for their SUPER judgement and capability to land the aircraft deadstick into Wonderboom, its one in a million!!!!!!
Thaz also why i said its a catch 22, land safe or crash somewhere short killing everyone, either way you screwed.
The fuel gauges on that a/c were dodgy tho they were told the a/c was refueled that is standard at that company you ask for the amount of fuel the night before and they do it, i understand u(the pilot) still need to check it yourself but havent you guys ever made a mistake and gotten away with it, dont be so quick to point fingers at your pilot colleagues.
The industry also have to realise that these old aeroplanes need to retire at some time in their life, they become a safety risk for aviation regardless of the maintenance done on them, they get old and clapped out
Anyhow hope both parties have realised reality so that future flying with them will be more accurate and safer
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It is strange cause the fact that the crew managed to make it safely into wonderboom shows that they have quite some experience... therefore I don't believe that they will knowingly depart with insuffiecient fuel... the fuel guages on PAM has always been a problem and it still just goes above my head that a company of that stature can't even fork out a few buck to fix them... 
