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from news24.com
FROM NEWS24.COM:
Cape Town - An SAA flight from Cape Town to Johannesburg was the target of what appears to be an attempted hijacking on Saturday morning.
According to SAA, a passenger threatened crew members, demanding access to the cockpit. The passenger was then subdued.
SAA spokesperson Jackie O'Sullivan told News24, "SAA can confirm that flight SA322 from Cape Town to Johannesburg has returned back to Cape Town safely, and no one was injured.
"A passenger threatened crew members, demanding access to the cockpit, he was then subdued.
"The aircraft is on the ground, and passengers have left the aircraft to be reconciled with their baggage. They will then be returned to the terminals, where they will be met by SAA care teams. ""
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Cape Town - An SAA flight from Cape Town to Johannesburg was the target of what appears to be an attempted hijacking on Saturday morning.
According to SAA, a passenger threatened crew members, demanding access to the cockpit. The passenger was then subdued.
SAA spokesperson Jackie O'Sullivan told News24, "SAA can confirm that flight SA322 from Cape Town to Johannesburg has returned back to Cape Town safely, and no one was injured.
"A passenger threatened crew members, demanding access to the cockpit, he was then subdued.
"The aircraft is on the ground, and passengers have left the aircraft to be reconciled with their baggage. They will then be returned to the terminals, where they will be met by SAA care teams. ""
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Hi-Jack in Cape Town
Not a Hi jack as such but sounds like a passenger who had altercation with crew and threatened them.
Situation is overand Aircraft is on ground no one injured.
Situation is overand Aircraft is on ground no one injured.
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NEVER DESTROY A GOOD STORY WITH FACT A/C OUT OF CAPE TOWN
PASSENGER: 21 YEAR OLD IN BUSINESS CLASS
WEAPON : SYRINGE WITH NEEDLE
VICTIM : HOSTY
DEMANDS:FLIGHT DECK
VICTORS: THREE TIMES PAX (ONE A PAXING CAPT)
RESULT : BEAT THE **** OUT OF THE BOY
SUMMARY: BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION AGAIN BY REPORTERS
POLICE ON GROUND : NOWHERE EESH WEEKEND MAN
WHO LOOKS BAD: SAA ONCE AGAIN
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Originally Posted by fuzzie
PASSENGER: 21 YEAR OLD IN BUSINESS CLASS
WEAPON : SYRINGE WITH NEEDLE
VICTIM : HOSTY
DEMANDS:FLIGHT DECK
VICTORS: THREE TIMES PAX (ONE A PAXING CAPT)
RESULT : BEAT THE **** OUT OF THE BOY
SUMMARY: BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION AGAIN BY REPORTERS
POLICE ON GROUND : NOWHERE EESH WEEKEND MAN
WHO LOOKS BAD: SAA ONCE AGAIN
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Originally Posted by fuzzie
NEVER DESTROY A GOOD STORY WITH FACT A/C OUT OF CAPE TOWN
PASSENGER: 21 YEAR OLD IN BUSINESS CLASS
WEAPON : SYRINGE WITH NEEDLE
VICTIM : HOSTY
DEMANDS:FLIGHT DECK
VICTORS: THREE TIMES PAX (ONE A PAXING CAPT)
RESULT : BEAT THE **** OUT OF THE BOY
SUMMARY: BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION AGAIN BY REPORTERS
POLICE ON GROUND : NOWHERE EESH WEEKEND MAN
WHO LOOKS BAD: SAA ONCE AGAIN
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I can't believe that none of the reports I've read (here, avcom etc + most of the newspaper headlines I read today) seem to mention the very delayed arrival of the cops. Even the SAA crew (I assume it was the F/O, but it could have been the Capt) complained bitterly to ATC on 121.9 at FACT about the cops taking so long to arrive at the a/c, calling the situation 'unacceptable', and rightly so. SA322 touched at about (I didn't write this down, so subject to some error) 1025B or so, and chocked shortly thereafter next to the threshold RWY34. The police task force only arrived through the gate at A10 at about 1121B (I wrote this down!), and some more arrived at 1130B. They then had a little 'group hug' (or something like that), and spoke to the SAA engineer, who was plugged into the AC and in comms with the pilots, before going onboard.
So, if the incident occured 35 minutes into the flight (from reports I've read), and assuming the crew made a very quick decision to turn around, that still leaves 35 minutes (approx) to return to FACT, land, and have the police arrive only another hour later, meaning the police took at least 1.5 HRS to start taking control of the situation! What if there were multiple bad guys, who started fighting again and escaped? There are so many things that could have gone wrong in that time spent waiting for them, it's shocking. They're going to have to pull finger come 2010, at the very least.
The SAA crew (as far as I could see) did things professionally and by the book, as did ATC, who had there hands full trying to control all the vehicles blundering around the airfield, some not on comms and not telling anybody what they were doing it seemed. The cops and ground security personell seemed like the clueless ones to me.
So, if the incident occured 35 minutes into the flight (from reports I've read), and assuming the crew made a very quick decision to turn around, that still leaves 35 minutes (approx) to return to FACT, land, and have the police arrive only another hour later, meaning the police took at least 1.5 HRS to start taking control of the situation! What if there were multiple bad guys, who started fighting again and escaped? There are so many things that could have gone wrong in that time spent waiting for them, it's shocking. They're going to have to pull finger come 2010, at the very least.
The SAA crew (as far as I could see) did things professionally and by the book, as did ATC, who had there hands full trying to control all the vehicles blundering around the airfield, some not on comms and not telling anybody what they were doing it seemed. The cops and ground security personell seemed like the clueless ones to me.
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SAA holding during hijack attempt
Rumour has it that during the hijack attempt on Sat 17, one of the Airline's 319's was holding overhead for a while. However, when they EVENTUALLY "diverted", they went to Langebaan... and had to tell ATC it is a 'crisis'. Fuel planning a bit lacking? Or is this their notmal alternate???
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FALW and FAOB are approved alternates for long range operational planning not domestic. Therefore I guess they had to explain why they were requesting the use of FALW. Why divert miles away if one can make use of a closer alternate in excetional circumstances.
The the 319 has an onboard fuel prediction page with fantastic accuracy. So I'm sure their fuel planning was accurate to within 1ookgs.
What makes you think that a mistake was made in the fuel planning for the flight?
I seem to detect a touch of malevalence in your post......why?
The the 319 has an onboard fuel prediction page with fantastic accuracy. So I'm sure their fuel planning was accurate to within 1ookgs.
What makes you think that a mistake was made in the fuel planning for the flight?
I seem to detect a touch of malevalence in your post......why?
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My personal oppinion is that is was just for the passengers's sake.
They knew that the situation at FACT was resolving itself and they would be able to land there in not too long. Why divert all the way to FAPE (or whatever they're actuall alternate is) when you can land in FALW and just hop over as soon as FACT becomes available again.
They knew that the situation at FACT was resolving itself and they would be able to land there in not too long. Why divert all the way to FAPE (or whatever they're actuall alternate is) when you can land in FALW and just hop over as soon as FACT becomes available again.
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when they EVENTUALLY "diverted", they went to Langebaan... and had to tell ATC it is a 'crisis'. Fuel planning a bit lacking?
Langebaan is not the normal alternate so no he should not have gone there, the reason they probably did was they took a chance that the airport would open went into there alternate fuel for George and changed there alternate to Langebaan probably had permission from Ops at that stage as it does make better operational sense. when he got to Alternate fuel for Langebaan it was probably close to 45min left in tanks and according to SAA Operations that is a mandatory urgency call (30 mins is mayday) hence you say it was a crisis, not really a crisis just that Ops manual state it must be brought to ATC attention as a urgency call.
Let me assure you SAA fuel planning involves SITA flight plans and state of the art aircraft and training, management at SAA (like the rest of the world) wants the crew to take SITA fuel to cut down on the cost of tankering fuel all over the place, thats fine until you have a small problem like in CT and then there was no holding fuel.........most Captains will add a small amount of extra fuel on top of SITA fuel but some dont (as per management wishes).
Hope this answers your question
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I might have this wrong, but the version of the story that I heard was that they had held for CPT until they were at normal diversion fuel for PLZ. They started to divert to PLZ and were called by CPT to tell them that CPT was now available.
The captain then decided to return to CPT (I would have done the same) and asked if LBWG might be available, because they were now under PLZ fuel.
He was probably now using his 30 min hold fuel and could still have gone to PLZ, but AFAIK GRJ was CAVOK and could also be used.
I don't think that they ever diverted to LBWG or that they declared a fuel emergency. BTW, CPT was CAVOK and was just unusuable because the ATC's didn't know when the cops would be charging across the runways.
The captain then decided to return to CPT (I would have done the same) and asked if LBWG might be available, because they were now under PLZ fuel.
He was probably now using his 30 min hold fuel and could still have gone to PLZ, but AFAIK GRJ was CAVOK and could also be used.
I don't think that they ever diverted to LBWG or that they declared a fuel emergency. BTW, CPT was CAVOK and was just unusuable because the ATC's didn't know when the cops would be charging across the runways.
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Choice of alternate
Thanks Fluffyfan. Your paragraph makes logical sense, with the required amount of real-world operational feeling to bridge the gaps....
As for the other retorts, malevalence? Me? Never! Why would anyone feel malevalence towards SAA??
As for the other retorts, malevalence? Me? Never! Why would anyone feel malevalence towards SAA??
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Hijack = Military Zone
SAA boss Khaya Ngqula reacting to comments made by some passengers unhappy with their treatment during and after an attempted hijacking on a domestic flight.
This was on news24.com and I'll leave the experts to comment on how this is implemented mid-flight.
From the moment an aircraft is hijacked, it is a military zone. The security forces take charge.
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There was no holding involved. Aircraft was turned back to CPT immediately incident occured. Crew did an excellent job of containing the threat. (Cabin crew as well!) Passengers can be very grateful for SAA's "locked door" policy.
SAA fitted strengthened cockpit doors to all their aircraft after 911. Looks like the cost was worth it!
Had this incident occured on any of the other domestic carriers the outcome would almost certainly have been very different! 
Pity the cops had to be the weakest link...
As for the passengers...well, sometimes there's nothing that pleases them!
SAA fitted strengthened cockpit doors to all their aircraft after 911. Looks like the cost was worth it!
Had this incident occured on any of the other domestic carriers the outcome would almost certainly have been very different! Pity the cops had to be the weakest link... As for the passengers...well, sometimes there's nothing that pleases them!
Really?
As I understood it, he was taken down before he got to the door.
All doors have been locked since 911. Even an old style door as long as it was locked would have stopped him if he even got that far - for awhile anyway....
How did the cabin crew help? It was two pax and a positioning driver that stopped him, again as I understand it.
Where you there Congoman or do you have inside info?
As I understood it, he was taken down before he got to the door.
All doors have been locked since 911. Even an old style door as long as it was locked would have stopped him if he even got that far - for awhile anyway....
How did the cabin crew help? It was two pax and a positioning driver that stopped him, again as I understand it.
Where you there Congoman or do you have inside info?
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There are a couple of domestic operators in SA that still do not have decent lockable doors fitted to their aircraft - and several who do not even have a locked door policy! The guy was thumping on the door seconds after it was closed. The old style doors do not lock automatically as is the case on SAA, so he would almost certainly have got onto the flight deck had he been on another carrier. SAA also has cameras with video monitors fitted in the cockpit - which proved invaluable in assessing the situation in the back.
Two pax did help - alongside the paxing pilot and a cabin attendant.
Wasn't there but got hot gen.
Two pax did help - alongside the paxing pilot and a cabin attendant.
Wasn't there but got hot gen.