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Old 18th Jun 2006, 07:24
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Ali,
Not that straight forward unfortunately, A retired Trg Captain told me that Sim checks etc are a walk in the park for the older guys as they know all the routes, procedures etc that are done on the checks as many of them have done them every 6 months for the last 20 years, and many of them are being tested by guys who they have flown with for the last 30 odd years.
That being said, I would still rather have a real pilot in the cockpit rather than a wet behind the ears fast tracker. Due to South Africa's contract industry however most of the guys moving up have a vast amount of experience in real flying. I think these older guys should fit in to the training role to impart their knowledge, even if it means as a third crew member.
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Old 18th Jun 2006, 09:10
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Originally Posted by MercenaryAli
No ! Those are tested during LPC/OPC/IRR and line checks! You understand that surely?
I have never done any of those in a winter storm, at night, at the end of a 4 sector 11 hour pairing, when the deficiencies of any pilot is glaringly obvious.
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Old 18th Jun 2006, 10:35
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look and learn

nwide will take the best they can get at the cheapest price,its called capitalism.by employing ex saa they are getting very good value.for those inexperienced pilots who get to fly with these guys you will learn a great deal,i certainly did.
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Old 18th Jun 2006, 10:44
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Originally Posted by brabazon1
nwide will take the best they can get at the cheapest price,its called capitalism.
Call it what you want, these are the boys and girls that cried that they were not paid enough at SAA.
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Old 18th Jun 2006, 11:04
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Snoop Mmmmm

I have no doubt of these guy's and the wealth of information they can offer, I do wonder when I hear storys of a F/O in the sim with two of these guy's, one Capt the other a T/C, and the poor F/O trying to pick up the pieces because of absolutley no knowlege of ths N/W SOP's and 'flows' that are non-existant.
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Old 18th Jun 2006, 11:16
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if the said fo is so fantastic he should get into saa soon and earn real money. lets face it its still the best airline job in sa.
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Old 18th Jun 2006, 11:30
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Did I mention the fo is a W/M !!
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Old 18th Jun 2006, 11:40
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that does make it more difficult. with the way things are going in china, india and the middle east his skills will be appreciated soon i am sure.
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Old 18th Jun 2006, 13:33
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Originally Posted by nugpot
The two unfortunately don't always go together. You don't get tested for memory, nightvision or reaction time during your flying medical.
Base checks, line checks and instrument rating renewals should take care of those, don't you think?

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Old 18th Jun 2006, 13:35
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Originally Posted by sticktime
I have no doubt of these guy's and the wealth of information they can offer, I do wonder when I hear storys of a F/O in the sim with two of these guy's, one Capt the other a T/C, and the poor F/O trying to pick up the pieces because of absolutley no knowlege of ths N/W SOP's and 'flows' that are non-existant.
Probably they are just that, stories!

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Old 18th Jun 2006, 14:15
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Originally Posted by brabazon1
that does make it more difficult. with the way things are going in china, india and the middle east his skills will be appreciated soon i am sure.
How are things going in India then, brabazon1?
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Old 18th Jun 2006, 15:32
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Originally Posted by ta pang mao
Probably they are just that, stories!

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Alot of them ! First hand
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