SAA to hire foreigners!!!
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As I have posted elsewhere; Air Botswana did exactly the same thing some years ago with pilots, reject or otherwise, from Tanzania.
I well remember on a practice emergency gear drill, the captain under training said, with a cursory wave in the general direction of the emergency gear lever.
'I'll have that thing there.'
Better hope the CAA stops validating foreign licences?
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Come on guys!!! Do you REALLY think SAA will go and do a stupid thing like that?? It just does not make sense.
starcrest, there have been lots of constructive comments regarding addressing the issue of blacks in the cockpit. Problem is that government wants a quick fix. They are just windowdressing for all I am concerned.
Dont treat the symptoms.......fix the problem causing it. That is the only longterm solution.
starcrest, there have been lots of constructive comments regarding addressing the issue of blacks in the cockpit. Problem is that government wants a quick fix. They are just windowdressing for all I am concerned.
Dont treat the symptoms.......fix the problem causing it. That is the only longterm solution.
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Sadly I see that many threads are actually calling for the opposite... and ironically their own destruction by bringing SAA down.
Eeeeeish, and we own the airline too. I'm getting angry...
Eeeeeish, and we own the airline too. I'm getting angry...
So in order that the situation at SAA is resolved, the rumour from Faulty towers is, that the CEO has suggested that pilots be sourced from other African nations.
Do you honestly see that as fair practice? I don't think so.
My aspirations of ever joing the carrier are diminishing on a daily basis from being so close to now being so far.
Get angry all you like....for it's us that will bear the brunt of one individuals decision.
FF I agree, I'm sure that SAAPA would have been onto this like a flash!! But do we know what is happening behind closed doors? After all we're not the decision makers we're just the drivers!
Anyway let's see what happens.....nothing like opening another can of worms on the race issue in SA again! Sorry!
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I cannot for the life of me see why anyone should assume that common sense, integrity and long term plannning are the cornerstones of any airline's management policies. If it's whacky and destructive, most airline managers get there in the end. QED!
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Luckily this is only a rumour network, so I would say forget about it for now...
The way things are currently going at SAA, with all the talks of a LCC etc, there will not be any crew appointed (as far as I can gather), until all is sorted out.
As an example, it is believed that even current SAA Cadets with Link and SAX, who were due to join SAA now, have been awarded at least 6 month contract extensions with the Regionals, as SAA do not need crew until they have completely mapped the future.
In some arena´s that are apparently even talks of 50 Pilots in excess.
The way things are currently going at SAA, with all the talks of a LCC etc, there will not be any crew appointed (as far as I can gather), until all is sorted out.
As an example, it is believed that even current SAA Cadets with Link and SAX, who were due to join SAA now, have been awarded at least 6 month contract extensions with the Regionals, as SAA do not need crew until they have completely mapped the future.
In some arena´s that are apparently even talks of 50 Pilots in excess.
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cavortingcheetah.........true story, however, the one thing SAA management and Government fear most of all at SAA is a pilot strike, they believe (hope) it will never happen and so do I because then I have to go and take flying paddys job from him.
The boss at SAA's one priority is to get SAA turning a profit, no matter what that involves, including shrinking like we are doing right now. He does not want to have to look his fellow "Native Club" members in the face and explain why the govenment now owes billions of $ to leasing companies and ticket holders, he also does not want to be responsible for 10 000+ jobs suddenly dissapearing and the fact that the ministers now have to travel on BA to get to parliment.............
Most times rumour is worse than the fact, lets just hope that this is one of those times.
The boss at SAA's one priority is to get SAA turning a profit, no matter what that involves, including shrinking like we are doing right now. He does not want to have to look his fellow "Native Club" members in the face and explain why the govenment now owes billions of $ to leasing companies and ticket holders, he also does not want to be responsible for 10 000+ jobs suddenly dissapearing and the fact that the ministers now have to travel on BA to get to parliment.............
Most times rumour is worse than the fact, lets just hope that this is one of those times.
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Originally Posted by Q4NVS
...even talks of 50 Pilots in excess.
Say it isn't so...
At this rate they'll need to equip the flight decks for wheelchair access to load all the old toppies waiting to join SAA. 
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even talks of 50 Pilots in excess.
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Say it isn't so... At this rate they'll need to equip the flight decks for wheelchair access to load all the old toppies waiting to join SAA.
At this rate they'll need to equip the flight decks for wheelchair access to load all the old toppies waiting to join SAA.
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Originally Posted by starcrest
....So I phone my pal in the transport ministry who tells me that less than 5% of the pilots are black, so what's the problem?
But then he puts a spin on it; he says 10% of the population occupies 95% of the pilot jobs!! What's more, he says, many are ex-military pilots....
But then he puts a spin on it; he says 10% of the population occupies 95% of the pilot jobs!! What's more, he says, many are ex-military pilots....
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So my takeout on this is; nobody is offering any constructive comments about my government's clearly stated and binding policy of black empowerment, i.e. helping those who have clearly been historically disadvantaged, which includes the world of aviation.
The obvious problem (which you don't seem to mention), and the one which actually has to be addressed (as has been mentioned elsewhere), is the lack of black South African pilots. Again, read the whole discussion in the 'affirmative action in SAA' post, especially the part about 'throwing the net wider' (a constructive suggestion on getting more black people into SA aviation). So, some constructive suggestions have been made (you just didn't read them) and most people are in agreement that something must be done - we just disagree with some of the shortsighted plans about what to do. It's a free country, we can voice our opinions, not that anybody cares. Don't get upset about it.
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"Better hope the CAA stops validating foreign licences?""
You had better hope that it is not Carte Blanche or you will have a really abundant supply of South Africans on the way home, unemployed...
You had better hope that it is not Carte Blanche or you will have a really abundant supply of South Africans on the way home, unemployed...
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Howzit everyone,
I must say we have all read some interesting things as far as the whole aviation industry is concerned. There were some really interesting posts, some crappy ones, and then there are the ones that just really hit the nail on the head!
I think it has become quite apparent what the feelings amongst the opposite coloured people are - and that counts for both parties. As a fellow (white)pilot I feel the pain of everybody else that has been "affected" by the change in the industry, and more generally speaking, the whole country...
Just remember the following:
Affirmative action is not based on skin colour as everybody thinks, but rather a very well written Act that now entitles the so called "previously disadvantaged" to experience what they have been deprived from. I am not going to go into detail, but I ask everybody to go and read the Employment Equity Act. Here you will find your answers for this unfair strategy we are all exposed to, but just remember this: It is their legal right to have these opportunities made available to them. It is written in our Constitution, and as a Constitutional State there is little we can do but relief them from some of the power they are given (i.e. go and vote!). As long as they hold majority in Parliament they can pretty much change the Constitution the way they want. And yes I am well aware of the procedures involved for changing the law, but just remember they fill almost all the seats in the Legislative body, the Executive body, and to a lesser extent the judicial body. Keep in mind the for making law, you want to have your power vested in the Legislative body (Parliament and the NCOP - National Council of Provinces) AND PARLIAMENT…eish..it’s very dark!
I guess what I am trying to say is, stop waisting time moaning and b
ing about this stuff, and start paying your dues to the DA - Do you guys think Tony Leon is happy about this going on for us white people.
I can't believe I just spoke politics. Maybe I better say my famous last words...
I must say we have all read some interesting things as far as the whole aviation industry is concerned. There were some really interesting posts, some crappy ones, and then there are the ones that just really hit the nail on the head!
I think it has become quite apparent what the feelings amongst the opposite coloured people are - and that counts for both parties. As a fellow (white)pilot I feel the pain of everybody else that has been "affected" by the change in the industry, and more generally speaking, the whole country...
Just remember the following:
Affirmative action is not based on skin colour as everybody thinks, but rather a very well written Act that now entitles the so called "previously disadvantaged" to experience what they have been deprived from. I am not going to go into detail, but I ask everybody to go and read the Employment Equity Act. Here you will find your answers for this unfair strategy we are all exposed to, but just remember this: It is their legal right to have these opportunities made available to them. It is written in our Constitution, and as a Constitutional State there is little we can do but relief them from some of the power they are given (i.e. go and vote!). As long as they hold majority in Parliament they can pretty much change the Constitution the way they want. And yes I am well aware of the procedures involved for changing the law, but just remember they fill almost all the seats in the Legislative body, the Executive body, and to a lesser extent the judicial body. Keep in mind the for making law, you want to have your power vested in the Legislative body (Parliament and the NCOP - National Council of Provinces) AND PARLIAMENT…eish..it’s very dark!
I guess what I am trying to say is, stop waisting time moaning and b
ing about this stuff, and start paying your dues to the DA - Do you guys think Tony Leon is happy about this going on for us white people.I can't believe I just spoke politics. Maybe I better say my famous last words...
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You have hit the nail on the head:
That applies to people in SA who were previously disadvantaged - it does not apply to every Tom, Dick and Harry who just has the right melanin levels from anywhere else except SA. If that is the law then employing anyone from beyond SA territory would be contrary to the act and discriminatory in its own right!
You have hit the nail on the head:
Affirmative action is not based on skin colour as everybody thinks, but rather a very well written Act that now entitles the so called "previously disadvantaged" to experience what they have been deprived from. I am not going to go into detail, but I ask everybody to go and read the Employment Equity Act.
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Thanks for elaborating on what I am trying to say! I have indeed forgotten to mention the fact that it would indeed be unconstitutional for SAA to employ beyond the territories of the Republic. They will need very good ammo to justify their reason for employing black foreigners. IN FACT, they will have to prove that there are no suitably qualified people in the South African market.
It will be very unwise to employ black pilots from abroad (Unwise if anybody has the b lls to take them on in court) since we all know what this is really about. Having mentioned the courage required to take SAA to court as a private individual, you'll need, inter alia, good lawyers and some proof of damage suffered from their (SAA) actions.
Now we all know this is just so unrealistic, but if everybody understood the law and the so called democracy that South Africa is now to be built on, I guess we would all be much more eager to go and stand in the sun to cast our vote, because your vote really does carry weight in the political power play - it HAS to! So to all fellow PPRuners is the R.S.A, if you don't vote, then don't complain, but suck it up like a person with no say!!!
Thanks for elaborating on what I am trying to say! I have indeed forgotten to mention the fact that it would indeed be unconstitutional for SAA to employ beyond the territories of the Republic. They will need very good ammo to justify their reason for employing black foreigners. IN FACT, they will have to prove that there are no suitably qualified people in the South African market.
It will be very unwise to employ black pilots from abroad (Unwise if anybody has the b
lls to take them on in court) since we all know what this is really about. Having mentioned the courage required to take SAA to court as a private individual, you'll need, inter alia, good lawyers and some proof of damage suffered from their (SAA) actions.Now we all know this is just so unrealistic, but if everybody understood the law and the so called democracy that South Africa is now to be built on, I guess we would all be much more eager to go and stand in the sun to cast our vote, because your vote really does carry weight in the political power play - it HAS to! So to all fellow PPRuners is the R.S.A, if you don't vote, then don't complain, but suck it up like a person with no say!!!
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Voting?
Kind of tricky when you can't get a job working in the country of your birth and are forced to seek employment outside the borders in some pretty remote places. Unfortunately, the attempts to disenfranchise those of us forced to work outside SA by way of not allowing us to vote overseas means we're pretty much powerless in that regard.
Hopefully all this will settle down in time and the politicians
will get their act together, but I'm not holding my breath.
Kind of tricky when you can't get a job working in the country of your birth and are forced to seek employment outside the borders in some pretty remote places. Unfortunately, the attempts to disenfranchise those of us forced to work outside SA by way of not allowing us to vote overseas means we're pretty much powerless in that regard.
Hopefully all this will settle down in time and the politicians
will get their act together, but I'm not holding my breath.
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As I mentioned earlier, in the engineering sector it's perfectly legal and acceptable to employ black foreigners to meet BEE targets - the law seems to allow for it somehow. I asked the engineer I spoke to earlier about this, and I was told work permits etc 'Weren't a problem'. As we speak they are going through CV's of black Zimbabwean engineers.
It should be easy enough to see that there are similarities between the engineering world and the flying world in terms of candidates, ie. lots of white SA engineers/pilots, and almost no black SA engineers/pilots. Ergo (my word for the day
), the same could potentially (and apparently legally) happen in the flying world, backlash or not.
It should be easy enough to see that there are similarities between the engineering world and the flying world in terms of candidates, ie. lots of white SA engineers/pilots, and almost no black SA engineers/pilots. Ergo (my word for the day
), the same could potentially (and apparently legally) happen in the flying world, backlash or not.
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Bloody frightening when something as important as aviation safety depends on employing not those who are most capable but those with an acceptably low reflectivity index... 