Convair down in the Congo
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... , ex-DHL convair...
I have a pix of one of them,on the ramp in Cape Town , but I can't put any pix here on the site!
Help!
I have a pix of one of them,on the ramp in Cape Town , but I can't put any pix here on the site!
Help!
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What a SAD Day!
Two good friends were alledgedly the crew - details are very limited indeed.
Please supply anything more concrete if available.
The poor families and children - it breaks my heart!
Please supply anything more concrete if available.
The poor families and children - it breaks my heart!
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It's insanity going anywhere near lake Kivu in IMC yet people continue to do so. A C208 was lost in the area a few years ago in IMC and I'm betting something similar happened here.
Thoughts with family and friends of those on board.
Thoughts with family and friends of those on board.
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i remember descending over lake kivu in imc trying to get into goma....lucky for me i was with someone who knew a little more than i at the time...
but we knew if over the lake we were somewhat safe, and then flew straight towards the mountain, perpendicular to the runway, 18-36 i think.
with radar set at 5 miles, when it started painting the mountain side at just under 5 miles we considered ourselves on a base and then turned to align with the runway.
thinking back now, i just wouldnt do that kind of thing anymore, but when you are there and you need to get in, you have to do what you can, and since the copper wire to vor's and ndb's was stolen long ago...what does one do?
sometimes our little tricks to places we thought we knew really well bring us in short of the required....
but we knew if over the lake we were somewhat safe, and then flew straight towards the mountain, perpendicular to the runway, 18-36 i think.
with radar set at 5 miles, when it started painting the mountain side at just under 5 miles we considered ourselves on a base and then turned to align with the runway.
thinking back now, i just wouldnt do that kind of thing anymore, but when you are there and you need to get in, you have to do what you can, and since the copper wire to vor's and ndb's was stolen long ago...what does one do?
sometimes our little tricks to places we thought we knew really well bring us in short of the required....
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The names of the crew have been released. News and names can be obtained at the Mail & Guardian online news. I knew the one crew. I see these aircraft were operated by the "mighty" JO....mmmm. Rest in peace guys.
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For some news and names of the crew go to www.news24.com
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CAA waits to investigate DRC plane crash
April 28 2006 at 11:22AM
From :http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?newsl...8B214&set_id=1
The SA Civil Aviation Authority was waiting for permission on Friday from the Democratic Republic of the Congo to travel there to investigate a plane crash in which two South African pilots died.
Captains Andre Nel and Charles Greyvenstein died on Thursday when the South African-registered Convair 580 they were piloting apparently fell from the sky on approach to the airport in Lubutu in the Northern regions of the DRC. Two Congolese air crew also died in the crash
"It fell and caught fire and four people died," Phindiwe Gwebu, spokesperson for the CAA said.
She said two CAA investigators were on standby to travel to the DRC to try to establish what led to the accident.
"We have sent communications to the DRC authorities but are still awaiting their response," she said.
Captain Johan Olivier, spokesperson for the plane's owners, said it was difficult to establish what happened.
"There are no communications in that part of the DRC. We do not exactly know what happened yet, there is no telephone reception in the area and we got the news via United Nations peacekeepers in the area," he said.
He was to fly from Kinshasa to Goma on Friday to try to establish what had happened and to arrange for the bodies to be flown to South Africa.
Olivier said Nel's two sons and Greyvenstein's wife and three children had been told about the crash.
The accident happened around 2pm South African time on Thursday. The pilots were flying cargo from Goma to Lubutu under contract for a Congolese airline.
They were apparently on final approach when the aircraft crashed and burned. - Sapa
Condolences to all.
From :http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?newsl...8B214&set_id=1
The SA Civil Aviation Authority was waiting for permission on Friday from the Democratic Republic of the Congo to travel there to investigate a plane crash in which two South African pilots died.
Captains Andre Nel and Charles Greyvenstein died on Thursday when the South African-registered Convair 580 they were piloting apparently fell from the sky on approach to the airport in Lubutu in the Northern regions of the DRC. Two Congolese air crew also died in the crash
"It fell and caught fire and four people died," Phindiwe Gwebu, spokesperson for the CAA said.
She said two CAA investigators were on standby to travel to the DRC to try to establish what led to the accident.
"We have sent communications to the DRC authorities but are still awaiting their response," she said.
Captain Johan Olivier, spokesperson for the plane's owners, said it was difficult to establish what happened.
"There are no communications in that part of the DRC. We do not exactly know what happened yet, there is no telephone reception in the area and we got the news via United Nations peacekeepers in the area," he said.
He was to fly from Kinshasa to Goma on Friday to try to establish what had happened and to arrange for the bodies to be flown to South Africa.
Olivier said Nel's two sons and Greyvenstein's wife and three children had been told about the crash.
The accident happened around 2pm South African time on Thursday. The pilots were flying cargo from Goma to Lubutu under contract for a Congolese airline.
They were apparently on final approach when the aircraft crashed and burned. - Sapa
Condolences to all.
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Does Lubutu have an airport? If I remember, we landed on the road (about 150km SE of Kisingani). And the surrounding terrain is quite flat. Now Bukavu is another matter with serious terrain immediately to the west. RIP.
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When will we learn !?!
Originally Posted by south coast
.....but when you are there and you need to get in, you have to do what you can, and since the copper wire to vor's and ndb's was stolen long ago...what does one do?
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The only people who gain when you do STUPID things like flying an unpublished approach on your weather radar (!!!) is the owners and operators. Keep doing that crap long enough and you are almost guaranteed to end up dead.
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Got to agree with Reptile. Hanging your danglies over the edge only helps the operator and could get you killed. If you can't get in there's always another day.
This accident sounds like something else went pear shaped for the aircraft to quit flying on short final. Hopefully the CAA sends someone au fait with the aircraft/operation to investigate and not the usual mob of underqualified and inexperienced occupiers of office space.
This accident sounds like something else went pear shaped for the aircraft to quit flying on short final. Hopefully the CAA sends someone au fait with the aircraft/operation to investigate and not the usual mob of underqualified and inexperienced occupiers of office space.
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Having known, worked drank with one of the guys who lost his life in this unfortunate accident,I would suggest that we keep the comments and theories how they might screwed up to ourselves and least not publish them on a public forum.
RIP Andre, we will miss you.
RIP Andre, we will miss you.
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Atlanta - Driver, I feel for you and feel your pain, it is never good to loose a mate, I know, buired more than I care to think of.
I spent until 2 in the morning pissing it up with "Neddy" Noakes just 2 days before they planted themselves onto a moutain at George with Hannsie on board, a long standing and good friend indeed. I was the first to get the call from search and rescue that the aircraft was overdue.
Strange thing is.... when its a mate, you dont want to believe that they stroked the cat, I found every reason under the sun for "Neddy's" death, everyones fault but his.
After an in depth study of the 256 page report.......they stroked the cat, like it or not.
There are ony 4 people that know what happened, and they can't tell us any more.
But talking and discussing the prang might keep some one alive, and as brothers thats what we do.. I would expect no less.
Your mate is gone, and as I said before "I feel for you and feel your pain, it is never good to loose a mate, I know, buired more than I care to think of."
And I am trying desperatly to get flying.......irony or what.....such is the beast.
I spent until 2 in the morning pissing it up with "Neddy" Noakes just 2 days before they planted themselves onto a moutain at George with Hannsie on board, a long standing and good friend indeed. I was the first to get the call from search and rescue that the aircraft was overdue.
Strange thing is.... when its a mate, you dont want to believe that they stroked the cat, I found every reason under the sun for "Neddy's" death, everyones fault but his.
After an in depth study of the 256 page report.......they stroked the cat, like it or not.
There are ony 4 people that know what happened, and they can't tell us any more.
But talking and discussing the prang might keep some one alive, and as brothers thats what we do.. I would expect no less.
Your mate is gone, and as I said before "I feel for you and feel your pain, it is never good to loose a mate, I know, buired more than I care to think of."
And I am trying desperatly to get flying.......irony or what.....such is the beast.