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Generally you will hear, it shouldnt be done, its a sin etc......But there are a couple Chief Pilots who flew over 500 hours in a week...........Didnt hurt them much.
Don't write checks your skills and experience cannot cash.
It will be your un-doing if you get caught....and it depends upon what you are fibbing about.
If it involves hours for licenses and the CAA/FAA find out....your goose will be way over cooked.
It will be your un-doing if you get caught....and it depends upon what you are fibbing about.
If it involves hours for licenses and the CAA/FAA find out....your goose will be way over cooked.
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Seriously, who really checks anymore. Flew with a guy in Alaska, ATPs Airplane, Helicopter etc........Hes on this site and would scream bloody murder if I mentioned his name.
Anyway He couldnt find Fairbanks from 10 miles out, OAS said he would never get carded from them after their check Pilot had to take over the controls, and he claims 10K plus hours.
The other guys I mentioned work for Major Helicopter companies and are also probably waiting for me to "defame" them.
"Fly what you have too, log what your need."
As long as you dont get caught, the world could give a sh1t less.
Sasless, trust me the FAA is not really interested in doing anything other than getting a paycheck......You think Im kidding, I have watched the Puerto Rican FAA office RAMP a guy picking up a charter to go out of country. No 135 certificate, N numbered aircraft, Non-US citizen operating on FAA License, and more. Guess what, Hes still pi55ing on their leg as all they do is write a report.
Theres not enough room on this forum for the rest.
Anyway He couldnt find Fairbanks from 10 miles out, OAS said he would never get carded from them after their check Pilot had to take over the controls, and he claims 10K plus hours.
The other guys I mentioned work for Major Helicopter companies and are also probably waiting for me to "defame" them.
"Fly what you have too, log what your need."
As long as you dont get caught, the world could give a sh1t less.
Sasless, trust me the FAA is not really interested in doing anything other than getting a paycheck......You think Im kidding, I have watched the Puerto Rican FAA office RAMP a guy picking up a charter to go out of country. No 135 certificate, N numbered aircraft, Non-US citizen operating on FAA License, and more. Guess what, Hes still pi55ing on their leg as all they do is write a report.
Theres not enough room on this forum for the rest.
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Further to that if you have an accident or incident, you will be found out! and there is a good chance insurance will never pay a penny, even if by that time you have got past the legit. required hours for whatever you are doing.
IMHO it is only lying to ones self, and if you are prepared to help yourself out in this way, where are you going to draw the line. Everytime you fly with Mr Parker you put yourself a little further behind the experience drag curve, untill you are so far behind that people start to suspect, and that is the end.
IMHO it is only lying to ones self, and if you are prepared to help yourself out in this way, where are you going to draw the line. Everytime you fly with Mr Parker you put yourself a little further behind the experience drag curve, untill you are so far behind that people start to suspect, and that is the end.
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Ahmen B200
All very good and well loging hours with Mr. Parker, but as B200 has said, it all comes out in the wash, and generaly when you least expect it.
The chief pilots and the guys who are going to take you for your checkride for that first all elusive job are no fools, when you rock up for the interveiw with your good looking logbook with your "hundreds and hundreds" of hours and get the check out, your check pilot is gonna see right away that you fly like a weekend worrior with 200hrs, a rat is smelt and it's down hill for you from there.
This industry is far too small and close knit to go about doing sh
t like that, everyone will know in a week.
I know heaps of guys that did comm with me and have at least twice the amount of hours in thier logbooks than they have flown.
Oh well, I guess I will just keep running into that steel re-inforced brick wall with my 350hrs, and try and convince myself it's a moral issue.....now where did I put my parker
All very good and well loging hours with Mr. Parker, but as B200 has said, it all comes out in the wash, and generaly when you least expect it.
The chief pilots and the guys who are going to take you for your checkride for that first all elusive job are no fools, when you rock up for the interveiw with your good looking logbook with your "hundreds and hundreds" of hours and get the check out, your check pilot is gonna see right away that you fly like a weekend worrior with 200hrs, a rat is smelt and it's down hill for you from there.
This industry is far too small and close knit to go about doing sh
t like that, everyone will know in a week. I know heaps of guys that did comm with me and have at least twice the amount of hours in thier logbooks than they have flown.
Oh well, I guess I will just keep running into that steel re-inforced brick wall with my 350hrs, and try and convince myself it's a moral issue.....now where did I put my parker
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There was a high-profile case in the States not long ago. This fellow had inked in a few hours, got caught and tried to argue that the hours were not necessary for the issue of the license so 'no harm done.'
The FAA revoked his licenses and then barred him from re-applying for them for a certain period. I think it was two years but I cannot remember the exact details. That is not a case of 'after two years you get your licenses back,' but rather that you had to wait for however long it is before trying to get your licenses back by taking all the required tests. So it's pretty harsh.
On the collegial side, if it becomes known that you have Parker 51 time then that gives you a certain sleazy reputation that will stick like glue. Pilots are very gossipy, at least all the ones I know are, and the 'bush telegraph' will put out the word about your peccadilloes faster than you can believe. It might be better to think up a way to get the required hours in another way or else go find some other job.
The FAA revoked his licenses and then barred him from re-applying for them for a certain period. I think it was two years but I cannot remember the exact details. That is not a case of 'after two years you get your licenses back,' but rather that you had to wait for however long it is before trying to get your licenses back by taking all the required tests. So it's pretty harsh.
On the collegial side, if it becomes known that you have Parker 51 time then that gives you a certain sleazy reputation that will stick like glue. Pilots are very gossipy, at least all the ones I know are, and the 'bush telegraph' will put out the word about your peccadilloes faster than you can believe. It might be better to think up a way to get the required hours in another way or else go find some other job.
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It is like cheating at golf! Someone who cheats in the logbook is likely to cheat elsewhere. I agree that they will be found out. The aviation industry is very small and in my view there is no space for cheats!
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Definitely not on. An accurate reflection of experience is a valuable self marketing tool at interviews and as has been said, if the experience stated doesn't tally with the actual operation of the aircraft it's a dead giveaway.
As an aside, I notice posts 2 & 5 on this thread are missing. Self moderation or deleted by mods? Didn't see anything untoward and no mention of it in other posts on here....Nope, no interference from the mods on this one. 4HP
As an aside, I notice posts 2 & 5 on this thread are missing. Self moderation or deleted by mods? Didn't see anything untoward and no mention of it in other posts on here....Nope, no interference from the mods on this one. 4HP
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I know about this dude that logs normal hours as nighttime!(as he needs nighttime hours for his ATPL) I know about this, cause he is bragging about it! What a loser...!
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Hmmm....its right up there with 7 people doing a 'van rating in a hr flying. 1 does the take-off, 1 the steep turn.....
I know we all have to eat, but there is more to being a pilot than getting a job, people get hurt in this industry.
I know we all have to eat, but there is more to being a pilot than getting a job, people get hurt in this industry.
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May all the little B s who B t their hours
BURN ETERNALLY IN HELL
Little whiney buggers like that screw it up for the rest of us andd give the industry a bad name.
But it's a small community so once it is know your log book is more fictional than fact, you can be sure word will get out and any descent operator won't touch you
s who B t their hoursBURN ETERNALLY IN HELL
Little whiney buggers like that screw it up for the rest of us andd give the industry a bad name.
But it's a small community so once it is know your log book is more fictional than fact, you can be sure word will get out and any descent operator won't touch you
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I know of two fellows who have done this...both from Australia. One was found out when he massaged his hours to the tune of 1500. Unfortunately someone (A CAA man in PNG) had worked with him in PNG and worked with him again elsewhere, and noticed the disparity. Whether action was taken by the company I am less able to say but suspect, not.
The other fellow was a co pilot (a good one as it happens but imo, and the opinion of others, is unlikely to ever make captain) who had two log books. One for the company and another whereby he booked much of his co-pilot time as captain.
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The other fellow was a co pilot (a good one as it happens but imo, and the opinion of others, is unlikely to ever make captain) who had two log books. One for the company and another whereby he booked much of his co-pilot time as captain.
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Hey Nutcracker 43,
Did this 1st Aussie guy fly in a certain Indian Ocean island nation for 2 years? Because the " massage " is bigger than 1500 hrs if it's the same I'm thinking of!!
Did this 1st Aussie guy fly in a certain Indian Ocean island nation for 2 years? Because the " massage " is bigger than 1500 hrs if it's the same I'm thinking of!!
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The fellow worked in PNG with 'x' no of hours. Post PNG his hours were, in fact just slightly less than 2000 more than he should have had when he came to work in our part of the world (I should have said 1500 plus...the extra hours referred to mainly underslung and mountain work). I do believe he went and worked elsewhere in the Indian ocean area and is now back in OZ...might be one and the same person.
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The fellow worked in PNG with 'x' no of hours. Post PNG his hours were, in fact just slightly less than 2000 more than he should have had when he came to work in our part of the world (I should have said 1500 plus...the extra hours referred to mainly underslung and mountain work). I do believe he went and worked elsewhere in the Indian ocean area and is now back in OZ...might be one and the same person.
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Nope different Guy,
He was a fixed wing driver who managed to log 4000 hrs in 18 months. Then tried to get it " endorsed" by the company!!
It did catch up with him rather badly at Regional airline Sim ride later on.
Cheers
Cruizo.
He was a fixed wing driver who managed to log 4000 hrs in 18 months. Then tried to get it " endorsed" by the company!!
It did catch up with him rather badly at Regional airline Sim ride later on.
Cheers
Cruizo.