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Originally Posted by oba_idan_amani
Well, for a start, I did not start the posting on both Threads,
Well, for a start.......yes you did. You've edited your initial posting and then made the above statement.
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You don’t know me so I wont even try and prove anything to you or your likes (dumb ass or not). If you have any facts about Nigeria then bring it on and I will reply to that.
Oba Idan Amani
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1. Nigeria Airways was banned from flying to the USA before it went bankrupt. Nine of fourteen airlines banned by Belgium and France from Africa http://www.etntalk.com/bannedairlines/finanmir.htm Premium Air Shuttle banned from Switzerland
2. Fraud, if a supplier accepts a bank draft from Nigeria that turns out to be forged, how is that his fault. Does happen
3. Under Apartheid black South Africans had the highest standard of living of any blacks in Africa, and a problem with illegal immigrants. What does that say about the rest of the continent ?
4. Do you seriously think anyone gets a Nigerian Pilots licence without having to bribe someone. If I want a validation of my ATPL what's the going rate ?
5. Virgin Nigeria, old whitey in the background calling the shots.
6. Anti corruption campaign = few small fish get arrested amid lots of publicity but nothing really changes.
7. Africa is a hopeless case and will not change in several generations let alone my lifetime. Stay there and p**s into the wind or get out into a region charging ahead - no contest !
2. Fraud, if a supplier accepts a bank draft from Nigeria that turns out to be forged, how is that his fault. Does happen
3. Under Apartheid black South Africans had the highest standard of living of any blacks in Africa, and a problem with illegal immigrants. What does that say about the rest of the continent ?
4. Do you seriously think anyone gets a Nigerian Pilots licence without having to bribe someone. If I want a validation of my ATPL what's the going rate ?
5. Virgin Nigeria, old whitey in the background calling the shots.
6. Anti corruption campaign = few small fish get arrested amid lots of publicity but nothing really changes.
7. Africa is a hopeless case and will not change in several generations let alone my lifetime. Stay there and p**s into the wind or get out into a region charging ahead - no contest !
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If I may throw my penny into the fountain :
Firstly, SAA employment policies are in line with the constitution and that is the law of the land. In other words - racism has now become legalised provided its the "pales" that get shafted. This policy is going to eventually bite the very people its meant to be promoting - oh how sweet the victory will be.
Secondly, the way things are heading, Comair, OneTime and Nationwide are the airlines that are showing positive growth and if I may be so bold - with time and the continued S
t management, SAA could shrink into one of the smaller airlines in the country all because of blinded policies and meddling by governmunt.
As for Afri-man?, Dark-man? Racist-man? - whatever you go by - why is it that after years of "freedom" and attempts to make the industry "open", there are so few black pilots in the US airlines????
Could it be that they are not interested, too much hard work, no aptitude or possibly that they are not passionate about flying like the majority of us???? It is not a career of choice and it is not a racist view but a fact, look at the middle east, africa, china - they have major programs in place to stimulate interest and yet all fall hopelessly short of their requirements.
Why is it that we don't find young black South Africans going to the airfields and flying schools to wash aeroplanes or help out where they can, just so that they can be in that flying environment??? Why is it that you expect someone else must pay to put these "non-pales" in "a job" when so many young SOUTH AFRICANS (who happen to be pale) slog their guts out over years hoping to get a break and do it for the love of aviation???? These are the motivated, passionate employees an airline needs to become a world beater, not a self-enriching individual who will change careers in a heartbeat if the offer is right. We need people who will outlast the mismanagement, the incompetent leaders and the deteriorating working conditions - someone with a passion for the job and the life.
You and your colouring in competition
You make me
Firstly, SAA employment policies are in line with the constitution and that is the law of the land. In other words - racism has now become legalised provided its the "pales" that get shafted. This policy is going to eventually bite the very people its meant to be promoting - oh how sweet the victory will be.
Secondly, the way things are heading, Comair, OneTime and Nationwide are the airlines that are showing positive growth and if I may be so bold - with time and the continued S
t management, SAA could shrink into one of the smaller airlines in the country all because of blinded policies and meddling by governmunt.As for Afri-man?, Dark-man? Racist-man? - whatever you go by - why is it that after years of "freedom" and attempts to make the industry "open", there are so few black pilots in the US airlines????
Could it be that they are not interested, too much hard work, no aptitude or possibly that they are not passionate about flying like the majority of us???? It is not a career of choice and it is not a racist view but a fact, look at the middle east, africa, china - they have major programs in place to stimulate interest and yet all fall hopelessly short of their requirements.
Why is it that we don't find young black South Africans going to the airfields and flying schools to wash aeroplanes or help out where they can, just so that they can be in that flying environment??? Why is it that you expect someone else must pay to put these "non-pales" in "a job" when so many young SOUTH AFRICANS (who happen to be pale) slog their guts out over years hoping to get a break and do it for the love of aviation???? These are the motivated, passionate employees an airline needs to become a world beater, not a self-enriching individual who will change careers in a heartbeat if the offer is right. We need people who will outlast the mismanagement, the incompetent leaders and the deteriorating working conditions - someone with a passion for the job and the life.
You and your colouring in competition
You make me
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Well left to you, blacks should never rule any country. You guys in South Africa (wont like to generalise) will rather come and do it for us, wont you. Thank God this Apartheid thing was stop, its this damage the guys (SA government) are trying to put right. Am sure since your are convinced blacks are stupid, you will have been looking at conquering the whole of Africa by now. Then you will be able to fly their planes around, be worshiped by the blacks guys and be treated as God by the black guys (you ****).
Look back a bit... Nairobi used to have beautiful streets you could drive on. Rhodesia was one of the Agricultural leaders in Africa. South Africa, as modern as any..
Now all are transformed and Africa returns to its beginnings.
These are facts, nobody HAS to point fingers.
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To Fly is heaven, to hover is devine!!
Mr Afriaviation,
I think you must have a chill pill dude!
Why dont you rather enjoy your fortunate situation instead of being such an insensitice spoiled brat....
You were OBVIOUSLY handed your job because of your colour and NOT your ability. If you dont like flying get out and become something else that pays more money and has no morale values required....
....like a pilotician!!
Maybe you can then be pro-active and FORCE the SA Aviation Industry to employ ALL those black pilots out there waiting the get the job they have been slogging for ........
.....NAUGHT!!!!
I think you must have a chill pill dude!
Why dont you rather enjoy your fortunate situation instead of being such an insensitice spoiled brat....
You were OBVIOUSLY handed your job because of your colour and NOT your ability. If you dont like flying get out and become something else that pays more money and has no morale values required....
....like a pilotician!!
Maybe you can then be pro-active and FORCE the SA Aviation Industry to employ ALL those black pilots out there waiting the get the job they have been slogging for ........
.....NAUGHT!!!!
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Focus, focus...
Here we go again... I have read the drivel, read the responses, read the insults, the apologies, and slowly came to the conclusion that once again we might be barking up the wrong tree.
I was told a long time ago, that the consideration of whether or not somebody should be employed was a simple one. Ask yourself this questions:
1." Do I believe the applicant infront of me was the best qualified and experienced applicant for the job.
2.Will I let the love of my life and the blood of my blood, board an aircraft piloted by the aplicant infront of me?
I dont care if they are black, white, brown, yellow, or even pink, pale or not. I believe that, that should be the major consideration, infact the only one. Please remember this is one of those extreme occupations, that causes death and distuction when you do it wrong. There will be no time to hire an army of consultants to rectify the problem, and get the train back on track. There will be no time for a committee to sit and discuss the problem, and suggest how to rectify the mistake and as how to accomodate the feelings of the culprit as not to make him feel better about being who he is.
He will be lying in the same hole in "terra firma" with the love of your life, and your first born.Resting in pieces.Dead.
I cannot change the way SAA or any company, chooses the way they employ the drivers at the sharp end. I can however decide where I spend my money. I vote with my feet. If I have the choice, I show my disdain, with the colour of my money. Until such time as they choose the best quilified, and experienced applicant for the post, they dont see the colour of my money.
To sum it up.
I dont think, any one should worry about the colour of the driver. Worry if he was the best man for the job!
I was told a long time ago, that the consideration of whether or not somebody should be employed was a simple one. Ask yourself this questions:
1." Do I believe the applicant infront of me was the best qualified and experienced applicant for the job.
2.Will I let the love of my life and the blood of my blood, board an aircraft piloted by the aplicant infront of me?
I dont care if they are black, white, brown, yellow, or even pink, pale or not. I believe that, that should be the major consideration, infact the only one. Please remember this is one of those extreme occupations, that causes death and distuction when you do it wrong. There will be no time to hire an army of consultants to rectify the problem, and get the train back on track. There will be no time for a committee to sit and discuss the problem, and suggest how to rectify the mistake and as how to accomodate the feelings of the culprit as not to make him feel better about being who he is.
He will be lying in the same hole in "terra firma" with the love of your life, and your first born.Resting in pieces.Dead.
I cannot change the way SAA or any company, chooses the way they employ the drivers at the sharp end. I can however decide where I spend my money. I vote with my feet. If I have the choice, I show my disdain, with the colour of my money. Until such time as they choose the best quilified, and experienced applicant for the post, they dont see the colour of my money.
To sum it up.
I dont think, any one should worry about the colour of the driver. Worry if he was the best man for the job!
Está servira para distraerle.
Indeed - a spot on post.
The only problem of course is that, as so often happens, the people on the selection boards, wherever they may be, are not necessarily governed by such basic elements of common sense and well rounded judgement.
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If you're a taxpayer they'll continue to stiff you anyhow to support their fantasies. Agreed, the best man for the job, regardless of race but nationality should be South African unless outside skills are required that are not available in SA.
That's SKILLS, not skin colour! Does anyone else see the wrongs of the past being perpetuated by the current regime? Discrimination against a population group has been shown to be wrong and unworkable so why are they doing it again?
If you're a taxpayer they'll continue to stiff you anyhow to support their fantasies. Agreed, the best man for the job, regardless of race but nationality should be South African unless outside skills are required that are not available in SA.
That's SKILLS, not skin colour! Does anyone else see the wrongs of the past being perpetuated by the current regime? Discrimination against a population group has been shown to be wrong and unworkable so why are they doing it again?
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Afriaviation... is that a fact? Just a pity the cadets couldnt pass the cadet programme that is served for them on a plate! I dont care if you black, pink or purple, but I really dont want to fly with a bunch of incompetent pilots just because of representing the rainbow nation.. or whatever.. I still believe that the best pilot must get the job.. doesnt matter what race or colour you are, but how the hell can any airline employ a spesific race just because of history? Im sorry, but I dont fly SAA , cause Im not sure if the pilots are qualified lately to land the plane.. or are they just sitting there because of South Africa's background/?????
I know personally of about 10 contract pilots thats extremely experienced.. but not one of them can get into SAA... sorry to pale... absolute crap...
I know personally of about 10 contract pilots thats extremely experienced.. but not one of them can get into SAA... sorry to pale... absolute crap...
Está servira para distraerle.
SRT.'Why are they doing it again?'
'Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.'
(George Santayana.
And something to amuse you perhaps as you cast your mind's eye up and down the African sub-continent?
MEMORANDA.
BY MARK TWAIN.
"HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF."
The following I find in a Sandwich Island paper which some friend has sent me from that tranquil far-off retreat. The coincidence between my own experience and that here set down by the late Mr. Benton is so remarkable that I cannot forbear publishing and commenting upon the paragraph. The Sandwich Island paper says:
How touching is this tribute of the late Hon. T. H. Benton to his mother's influence: "My mother asked me never to use tobacco; I have never touched it from that time to the present day. She asked me not to gamble, and I have never gambled. I cannot tell who is losing in games that are being played. She admonished me, too, against liquor-drinking, and what ever capacity for endurance I have at present, and whatever usefulness I may have attained through life, I attribute to having complied with her pious and correct wishes. When I was seven years of age she asked me not to drink, and then I made a resolution of total abstinence and that I have adhered to it through all time I owe to my mother."
I never saw anything so curious. It is almost an exact epitome of my own moral career -- after simply substituting a grandmother for a mother. How well I remember my grandmother's asking me not to use tobacco, good old soul! She said, "You're at it again, are you, you whelp? Now, don't ever let me catch you chewing tobacco before breakfast again, or I lay I'll black snake you within an inch of your life !" I have never touched it at that hour of the morning from that time to the present day.
She asked me not to gamble. She whispered and said, "Put up those wicked cards this minute! -- two pair and a jack, you numskull, and the other fellow's got a flush! "
I never have gambled from that day to this -- never once --without a "cold deck" in my pocket. I cannot even tell who is going to lose in games that are being played unless I dealt myself.
When I was two years of age she asked me not to drink, and then I made a resolution of total abstinence. That I have adhered to it and enjoyed the beneficent effects of it through all time, I owe to my grandmother. I have never drunk a drop from that day to this of any kind of water.
I probably will fly SAA this year, more as an experiment than anything else, but, like as not, I shall make a telephone call or two or send the odd e mail to find out whether one of my chums might be up front.
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but nationality should be South African unless outside skills are required that are not available in SA.
The reason for that will be, because anyone who can is working somewhere else...........
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All this whinging about SAA not employing the most qualified makes me laugh.
About twenty five years ago I met a chium whom I had not seen for a number of years in Nairobi (when it was still an OK place). He was fairly pissed off because he had gone to SA for an interview with SAA and had not got the job. The reason...he did not have a matric...standard nine only. His family went northwards in the late 50's / early 60's. Naturally his schooling was disrupted and he took a job on the mines...he always wanted to fly as a kid and when the newly formed air force offered pilot training he took full advantage of the offer and did his training abroad...after fulfilling all obligations he applied for and took his ATPL in the US and later in the UK (FAA and CAA) and got a job flying 747's in Europe and later with a ME airline...he was more than well qualified, had two licences but because he did not have his matric the position was denied...what does that tell me about SAA... then and now...that not much has changed in reality even though it has philosophically.
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All this whinging about SAA not employing the most qualified makes me laugh.
About twenty five years ago I met a chium whom I had not seen for a number of years in Nairobi (when it was still an OK place). He was fairly pissed off because he had gone to SA for an interview with SAA and had not got the job. The reason...he did not have a matric...standard nine only. His family went northwards in the late 50's / early 60's. Naturally his schooling was disrupted and he took a job on the mines...he always wanted to fly as a kid and when the newly formed air force offered pilot training he took full advantage of the offer and did his training abroad...after fulfilling all obligations he applied for and took his ATPL in the US and later in the UK (FAA and CAA) and got a job flying 747's in Europe and later with a ME airline...he was more than well qualified, had two licences but because he did not have his matric the position was denied...what does that tell me about SAA... then and now...that not much has changed in reality even though it has philosophically.
NC43
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Guess What, SAA is not alone. Had a friend here in the states. 10K hours mainly in DC-8s and 737s, Interviewed with Southwest Airlines. No College Degree, No Job.........So hes driving 747-400s for a Cargo outfit. College degrees are important here in the states. Ask all the former Athletes who have Degrees and cannot read or write.
Guess What, SAA is not alone. Had a friend here in the states. 10K hours mainly in DC-8s and 737s, Interviewed with Southwest Airlines. No College Degree, No Job.........So hes driving 747-400s for a Cargo outfit. College degrees are important here in the states. Ask all the former Athletes who have Degrees and cannot read or write.
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The answers to your questions will be found on my posts on Transformation in SA. Representitivity in the industry has nothing to do with passion, hard work, competency. That's a common denominatore whether you're black or white. Nowhere did I say incompetent blacks should be employed as pilots. I'm not going into the rule of black people in Africa, I do not know what the whites did there before they left. To genralise and say that black people can't tule themselves is an insult and can only be expected from the posters on this forum.
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"The answers to your questions will be found on my posts on Transformation in SA" - which I have reluctantly closed as a result of your constant grandstanding on pale/non-pale/black/white agenda. Enough! I and the great majority of the members have no regard for what color you are; we respect ability and attitude. This is a final warning to all posters that the reference to color of skin-tones will no longer be tolerated on this forum. We have always prided ourselves on the multi-cultural and multi-ethnicity of this forum. Clearly that is no longer the case & the only way out of this miserable debate is a zero tolerance towards any reference to race, creed or religion.
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