Gulf Air coach air audit on CE
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Pepsi, thanks, but anyway, I'm really sorry I missed your posts before they got deleted, so please spare me the disgust again and check the way you post your schweeties, I'm also guilty of it sometimes, but, rulez is rulez!
Alternatively feel free to post your "banned/edited" goodies as a PM to me.
Alternatively feel free to post your "banned/edited" goodies as a PM to me.
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Originally Posted by Solid Rust Twotter
It helps if you have some idea of what you're talking about before making authoritative statements.
These things happen....
These things happen....
...SRT if you read the original post it starts with " Rumour has it..."......I for one cant see how a rumour can be an 'authoritative statement'... but obviously I dont seem to have the same linguistic skills as yourself....
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Originally Posted by putt for dough
Doggie why don't you just take a chill pill
...Why???...do you have a large supply that you are trying to get rid of ???....
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Originally Posted by PEPSIPILOT
MysticFlyer well said,
I just wanted to add that VB only hires young people who have just come out of Varisty or even School so just to keep his expenses low,but as he learned that when keeping expenses low you might need to keep it even lower with Cr
p employees
I used to work for the company so i know
I just wanted to add that VB only hires young people who have just come out of Varisty or even School so just to keep his expenses low,but as he learned that when keeping expenses low you might need to keep it even lower with Cr
p employees I used to work for the company so i know
...So what exactly are you trying to say ???...that ALL the employees at Nationwide are, as you so eloquently put it, Cr p ???....Maybe you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the CE offices and tell them to thier faces... .....or is that expecting too much from a 'soft drink' ?????
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Originally Posted by 737dog
...So what exactly are you trying to say ???...that ALL the employees at Nationwide are, as you so eloquently put it, Cr p ???....Maybe you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the CE offices and tell them to thier faces... .....or is that expecting too much from a 'soft drink' ????? and 2ndly VB doesn't own those AC his EX-wife does
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Originally Posted by PEPSIPILOT
737Dog I did that's why I left but look be my guest go to VB work for him for a month get to know him and than come back to this discussion.
and 2ndly VB doesn't own those AC his EX-wife does
and 2ndly VB doesn't own those AC his EX-wife does
p.....and I know for a fact that that is not true.....
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Originally Posted by PEPSIPILOT
737dog I am not trying to get into a fight or argument what I am trying to say is that his audit got messed up because of inexperienced Staff.
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Originally Posted by 737dog
Agreed and you can put that down to VB having such deep pockets when it comes to training etc......so really it is HIS fault and not the staff...
VB doesnt like to give training to his staff, I never got training when i worked there and also the staff that were hired the same day as me. I will actually tell u a funny story, this girl who started with me took one of the UMs onto the wrong flight(she did that becuase she didnt know how to read a ticket)not only that the UM got to the wrong destination and that girl had to pay for a trip back for the UM to go to the right place.
Thats VB for you he wont pay a cent to help others for there wrong mistake.
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There is no doubt that the man is one tough nut when it comes to employee relations- but think of it this way, if you are young and want a start in aviation then there is no better place to start. Most airlines are now looking some type of experience before they hire you- where do your get it=CE!
Ive recruited a number of ex CE staff and have genearlly found them to be hard working and reliable, yes they may not have recieved the type of training the other carriers offer but then you are going to retrain them for your operation in any case so its not really a huge issue.
VB isnt stupid, he knows its war out there- cost containment+ productivity= survival, why is the national carrier in so much trouble (aside form the obveous!!) they just have too many staff on board for the number of passengers they carry, in addition to that they are not getting the most out of their people in terms of productivity. Case in point Swiss has the same number of employees and the same number of aircraft as SAA yet makes 45% more revenue than SAA.
The other interesting point is that CE employees seem to be able to suck up the shabby treatment they recieve and deliver some pretty good customer service, market research proves this. So maybe VB has the secret to success, treat em mean and keep them keen?
Ive recruited a number of ex CE staff and have genearlly found them to be hard working and reliable, yes they may not have recieved the type of training the other carriers offer but then you are going to retrain them for your operation in any case so its not really a huge issue.
VB isnt stupid, he knows its war out there- cost containment+ productivity= survival, why is the national carrier in so much trouble (aside form the obveous!!) they just have too many staff on board for the number of passengers they carry, in addition to that they are not getting the most out of their people in terms of productivity. Case in point Swiss has the same number of employees and the same number of aircraft as SAA yet makes 45% more revenue than SAA.
The other interesting point is that CE employees seem to be able to suck up the shabby treatment they recieve and deliver some pretty good customer service, market research proves this. So maybe VB has the secret to success, treat em mean and keep them keen?
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MysticFlyer,
Not long until I trade the brown book in for a nice blue one!! seen this side of the business long enough!!! although me thinks the desk is going to feature quite prominatly in the near future till the hours take on a more respectable appearance
Not long until I trade the brown book in for a nice blue one!! seen this side of the business long enough!!! although me thinks the desk is going to feature quite prominatly in the near future till the hours take on a more respectable appearance
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Isn't it strange that NTW always seems to fail audits on them by other airlines, i.e Air France & Gulf Air. Surely the penny must drop that something is not being done correctly in the airline and that something needs to be done about it! You can keep having audits done by thousands of airlines or until you're blue in the face, but if you don't do something positive about fixing the problems found- you'll keep getting the same results! VB has people in crucial management positions (DFO, HR, Cabin Services/Commercial) who are supposed to make educated decisions with the company's operational and profitably deadlines at heart , but instead they make personal ,irrational, emotional descisions which make no sense at all and all with their own personal gain in mind!
Once VB has employed people with relevant experience in the positions they are employed for, will NTW be able to move forward and maybe pass an audit. Unfortunately these managers have mastered manipulation and the art on conning VB into believing that they know what they are doing - obviously they DON'T - hence the failures!!!!!
It's just a pity that they have ruined some innocent peoples lives in the process with their attrocious, inexperienced decision making!
Just a point of view - use it, don't use it!!
Once VB has employed people with relevant experience in the positions they are employed for, will NTW be able to move forward and maybe pass an audit. Unfortunately these managers have mastered manipulation and the art on conning VB into believing that they know what they are doing - obviously they DON'T - hence the failures!!!!!
It's just a pity that they have ruined some innocent peoples lives in the process with their attrocious, inexperienced decision making!
Just a point of view - use it, don't use it!!
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Originally Posted by WildFrequency
Malagant,
Without wanting to hi-jack this thread too much....
Do you perhaps know if this ex-Zim pilot who has been been employed by NTW on the 767, is the infamous professional first officer from SA Airlink, a certain ex-Zim 767 captain who Airlink employed as part of the Flywell (Airlink Zimbabwe) a few years back. He was employed as a direct entry captain on the EMB135, but after countless line training sectors was re-directed to the righthand seat, and remained there ever since.
Without wanting to hi-jack this thread too much....
Do you perhaps know if this ex-Zim pilot who has been been employed by NTW on the 767, is the infamous professional first officer from SA Airlink, a certain ex-Zim 767 captain who Airlink employed as part of the Flywell (Airlink Zimbabwe) a few years back. He was employed as a direct entry captain on the EMB135, but after countless line training sectors was re-directed to the righthand seat, and remained there ever since.
..Greetings from the whining one.... FYI...This guy has indeed been taken on by Lady B at CE....Him that never got command at SA Airlink and was ultimately fired....and a while ago was doing some circuits in the 76...around Mabatho (spelling) or some where in that area....proceeded to do 5 touch and go's...each worse than the other and on the final one slammed it down so hard that apparently the geysers in the galley burst
Seems that Lady B is trying to fill CE with all the dregs and misfits that she can find.....but hey like they say in afrikaans.....soort soek soort !!!
Careful, the language police will be onto you. English only please ladies. Translation for the Brits - "same seeks same." 4HP
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Having the best safety record in the whole of Africa, why run Air Zim down? Remember that the whole of the Dubai Air Wing, is run and operated by ex Air Zim. Fact. U can say what u like, but Air Zim to this day, operates with a totally screwed up president, and does it well, and as all of you know, it can't be easy. GF ( Gulf Air ) did the audit and were not happy with Nationwide, I don't know the reason.
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Just to digress a bit but sticking to the thread. The audit on NW failed but then taking a shot at ex/ current UM pilots at every opportunity has been overplayed. UM pilots have a proven track record which speaks for itself. Also on the same token we also have UM pilots who don't make the grade. Whoever this guy is whether ex-UM or not if he failed to make the grade am sure GM won't let him tarnish the image of UM or GM himself. So guys please grow up with this UM bashing.
