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Originally Posted by south coast scaff
All contract pilots in Africa - beware...
If you are ever offered work from one of the following individuals, stay well away...
T M(RJM Aviation - N'Djamena, Chad)
R L (Continental Aviation, and a host of other paper companies - SA)
P H (As above)
These guys are crookes. They hire pilots for long contracts in Africa. Send you away without a float, S&T or engineer. When you return they dissappear, failing to pay the outstanding monies owing. If you try to collect, they threaten to put a bullet in your head.
DO NOT be caught out. I was and worked for free for 3 months.
If you are ever offered work from one of the following individuals, stay well away...
T M(RJM Aviation - N'Djamena, Chad)
R L (Continental Aviation, and a host of other paper companies - SA)
P H (As above)
These guys are crookes. They hire pilots for long contracts in Africa. Send you away without a float, S&T or engineer. When you return they dissappear, failing to pay the outstanding monies owing. If you try to collect, they threaten to put a bullet in your head.
DO NOT be caught out. I was and worked for free for 3 months.
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because in general, the south african operators treat their pilots like sh*ite...pay peanuts, and we all know what you get.
but forsight is not strong or high on their list of priorities, hence you see the contracts doing the rounds of the contract companies....
a stepping stone to a serious job is all the contract companies can ever be because they dont offer anything serious to those who would have been serious about staying and working hard for the company.
just my opinion, but i think there are a few who might well agree...
but forsight is not strong or high on their list of priorities, hence you see the contracts doing the rounds of the contract companies....
a stepping stone to a serious job is all the contract companies can ever be because they dont offer anything serious to those who would have been serious about staying and working hard for the company.
just my opinion, but i think there are a few who might well agree...
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I do agree!!
But now, most contracts have huge requirements for First Officers...and for a while a lot of pilots were around with enough time and despirate for work.I think that things are changing quickly to where experienced First Officers are becomming rare and that some companies are going to run into a tight situation.
Why not invest in a few pilots thats willing to stay on the contract step for a while????
But now, most contracts have huge requirements for First Officers...and for a while a lot of pilots were around with enough time and despirate for work.I think that things are changing quickly to where experienced First Officers are becomming rare and that some companies are going to run into a tight situation.
Why not invest in a few pilots thats willing to stay on the contract step for a while????
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because they are greedy and want to make money immediately instead of investing in their personnel and making money for the next 5 years with happy and reliable crew...
its a mind set...thats all.
its a mind set...thats all.
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Originally Posted by south coast
because they are greedy and want to make money immediately instead of investing in their personnel and making money for the next 5 years with happy and reliable crew...
its a mind set...thats all.
its a mind set...thats all.
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Yeah it sucks, big time. Wouldn't it be great to associate your name with a successful company and feel proud about it? Remember those days, when you said, I have this company, I employ aviators. Or I fly for XYZ and boy, what a great company, 5 years down the line....
Thank goodness for pprune, Jetdriver, isn't it the essence, to get anyone who is not treating someone else with the dignity he/she deserves back into shape?
Yes, too direct is one thing too, so tread carefully, or take those consequences!
MF
Thank goodness for pprune, Jetdriver, isn't it the essence, to get anyone who is not treating someone else with the dignity he/she deserves back into shape?
Yes, too direct is one thing too, so tread carefully, or take those consequences!
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Originally Posted by I.R.PIRATE
I think they wanted to pay you that to @##$ off and never come back RV.
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Originally Posted by RICCARDOVOLANTE
"3500 to 4500$ ... for a F/O .... contract .... in Africa????
whew.... maybe the people coming up with these figures better come up with some names ..."
King Air Service of S.A. offer me as F/O on the Be 1990 for the Sudan contract 4500 USD.I never work for him but that was the price he come up with me.
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
whew.... maybe the people coming up with these figures better come up with some names ..."
King Air Service of S.A. offer me as F/O on the Be 1990 for the Sudan contract 4500 USD.I never work for him but that was the price he come up with me.
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Last year I worked for KAS, The Sudan, UN contract. If I'm correct the pay for F/O on the 1900 was around 2000$ at that stage. All F/O's also seemed to be PIC on the Van, maybe thats why this salary. Can't immagine pays have more than doubled in 1 year time. But again, please do prove me wrong...
Still want to know: if a F/O gets 4500$, what about a Captain on same contract??
Ok-ok, I'll be honest (is a RUMOURS net the place?, but hey): I make 5000$ as a PIC for each month on, on the 1900. What about you guys?
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Still want to know: if a F/O gets 4500$, what about a Captain on same contract??
Ok-ok, I'll be honest (is a RUMOURS net the place?, but hey): I make 5000$ as a PIC for each month on, on the 1900. What about you guys?
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MineDog ,
that price was given to me from the boss of KAS in person on March 2005. As Captain the price ,after 2 stages as F/O,was on 5500 USD.I do not know if he was going to pay such amount of money , but that was the reasons because I spent over 3000 USD of airline ticket to fly to SA , now after you post I start to have a lot of doubts about it, so I think that I wasted my money and time.
Thanks
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Riccardo Volante
that price was given to me from the boss of KAS in person on March 2005. As Captain the price ,after 2 stages as F/O,was on 5500 USD.I do not know if he was going to pay such amount of money , but that was the reasons because I spent over 3000 USD of airline ticket to fly to SA , now after you post I start to have a lot of doubts about it, so I think that I wasted my money and time.
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Originally Posted by Cessnafan
For those of you who dont believe it, believe it!! South Coast Scaff speaks the truth, I've also experienced these guys! Also look out for P T and P O of Jetfly in Cameroon, they also mix with the above people too
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Originally Posted by D228Techman
I Am P O from JETFLY.com in Cameroon. Just to clear things up we have had the same crew for almost one year and their salaries are 100% up to date. We have never threatened to put a bullet in anybodies head. Maybe Mr. cessnafan will be so nice as to point out WHY he did not recieve his last salary. I also think it is very improper of him to just go out and do something like this, just to satisfy his inadequacy.
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So Mr PO, I'll give you the honour of pointing out why I did not receive my last 3 months salary, and that of the co pilot who served you people loyally for 2 years, and who you promised the world and proceeded to wipe your backsides on. Come now, dont be shy, and choose your words carefully old chap!
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Originally Posted by Cessnafan
No one said anything about you two(P.T and P.O) threatening people with bullets; guilty conscience perhaps?
So Mr PO, I'll give you the honour of pointing out why I did not receive my last 3 months salary, and that of the co pilot who served you people loyally for 2 years, and who you promised the world and proceeded to wipe your backsides on. Come now, dont be shy, and choose your words carefully old chap!
So Mr PO, I'll give you the honour of pointing out why I did not receive my last 3 months salary, and that of the co pilot who served you people loyally for 2 years, and who you promised the world and proceeded to wipe your backsides on. Come now, dont be shy, and choose your words carefully old chap!
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I am chopper (fling wing) f/o fyling in Gabon. As stated before approx CAD 90 000.00 annually. Not sure what f/o get on fixed wing but do understand that it is less. Industry has moved a lot for us and hope it will for fellow colleagues. Definitely not SA company.
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Latest scam
The latest scam being used by contract companies (some respectable ones too), is the application of a "PERFORMANCE BONUS". If your paperwork is not up to date or you farted in the general direction of management, you don't get all your pay. Flies in the face of the basic conditions of employment, but in the new RSA, who gives a continental??? So you stand to lose even more of your measly P2 pittance if you f up.
On top of that, a post of P2 is applied on aircraft types like C208, B200, while the CAA does not recognise this, but in this way co-jos are created to fill seats at less cost while satisfying unrealistic client minimum requirements. Then the same clients and companies bleat about there not being enough pilots around?????
Oh yes, maybe "performance bonuses" should be instituted for management types and beancounters, if you want real efficiency.....
On top of that, a post of P2 is applied on aircraft types like C208, B200, while the CAA does not recognise this, but in this way co-jos are created to fill seats at less cost while satisfying unrealistic client minimum requirements. Then the same clients and companies bleat about there not being enough pilots around?????
Oh yes, maybe "performance bonuses" should be instituted for management types and beancounters, if you want real efficiency.....
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Riiiight...!
Like that's got any chance of happening.....
Amazing how the mahogany bomber pilots who bleat the most are those who wouldn't be seen dead in the places we're expected to perform as though we had all the support they have back home.
Like that's got any chance of happening.....
Amazing how the mahogany bomber pilots who bleat the most are those who wouldn't be seen dead in the places we're expected to perform as though we had all the support they have back home.
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Mr P.O, my attitude is generally good, it does however tend to decline when I receive no moolas for my services. I know your present crew and they are good boys, look after them! Tell your boss to do it different this time. As for my outstanding salary, hey I guess school fees are expensive
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To answer Skykreeper:- the salary for a F/O on a B200 or 1900 type a/c is between $1000.00 and $3000.00 per month, with food, accomodation and transport. Airfares, injections and medical while you are working is also provided.
OB you sound like a few people I know, using words like scam and giving the incorrect impression. Performance bonus is an amount over and above the salary and is usually around $ 500.00 per month, so a top paid F/O would get $ 3500.00 when this is added in.
Have you ever considered what it takes to run a contract from the Back End and yes performance Bonus is also usually applied to management types and beancounters but they only get it once a year. It is also funny that dispite begging and pleading for years, since the implimentation of the dreaded PB suddenly the weekly reports get sent, we can actually read what is written on the flight folia and they are also filled in correctly. These small details might seem superfluous to you but the flight folios are a legal requirement, as you should know and are also checked by the CAA and all the customers,i.e. the UN WFP and oil companies when they do audits. Passing these audits, is a prerequisite to keeping and getting contracts, which by the way keeps the management types and the crews in a job.
Just another point, a lot of the management types were working contract before most of the crews were born, and did not have internet, cell phones etc. so when you went away, you were out of contact with the family untill you got back.
OB you sound like a few people I know, using words like scam and giving the incorrect impression. Performance bonus is an amount over and above the salary and is usually around $ 500.00 per month, so a top paid F/O would get $ 3500.00 when this is added in.
Have you ever considered what it takes to run a contract from the Back End and yes performance Bonus is also usually applied to management types and beancounters but they only get it once a year. It is also funny that dispite begging and pleading for years, since the implimentation of the dreaded PB suddenly the weekly reports get sent, we can actually read what is written on the flight folia and they are also filled in correctly. These small details might seem superfluous to you but the flight folios are a legal requirement, as you should know and are also checked by the CAA and all the customers,i.e. the UN WFP and oil companies when they do audits. Passing these audits, is a prerequisite to keeping and getting contracts, which by the way keeps the management types and the crews in a job.
Just another point, a lot of the management types were working contract before most of the crews were born, and did not have internet, cell phones etc. so when you went away, you were out of contact with the family untill you got back.