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Foreigner, what I said is that, company`s are getting foreigners to fly ZS acft on contracts abroad... so CAA can help in preventing this by asking for the add and the company letter that states that the post was advertised, the goverment can do nothing if the foreigner is flying out of the country! 
What U said in point 3 & 4 I had already said, your point 5 states that there are more SA pilots flying there on validations, where is that place U referring to? U state that company`s are not hiring foreigners because of the immigration laws etc, they do hire, because they not flying in SA.. U don`t c any of those pilots working on charter, the company`s know exactly what they can and can`t do...
Riccardo, sorry mate have to disagree with U there, ET have foreigners in the 1900 and twin otter pool, a guy from Papa New Guinea etc..
What U said in point 3 & 4 I had already said, your point 5 states that there are more SA pilots flying there on validations, where is that place U referring to? U state that company`s are not hiring foreigners because of the immigration laws etc, they do hire, because they not flying in SA.. U don`t c any of those pilots working on charter, the company`s know exactly what they can and can`t do...Riccardo, sorry mate have to disagree with U there, ET have foreigners in the 1900 and twin otter pool, a guy from Papa New Guinea etc..
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A South African company flying ZS registered aircraft abroad must comply with SA goverment legislation. The reason they hired foreigners will be because they were more qualified for the job. A South African company rightly should want to hire locals, but if no local is suitably qualified for the position they have every right to hire a non-local.
As for the validations, many South Africans go to the States, for example, to get the (in their mind) "easier" FAA licence and then validate. The reason for this is to avoid taking the exams in SA.
As for the validations, many South Africans go to the States, for example, to get the (in their mind) "easier" FAA licence and then validate. The reason for this is to avoid taking the exams in SA.
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Originally Posted by Hogg
"Whaat ist uure miiisionn" Oooooo
Lo mate ! Will phone you tomorrow evening ... a few miles from you.Sorry back to reality. Been following this thread for a bit and it is a 50-50 "problem" everywhere.
We where (eventually) kicked out / pushed / contract stopped .. in a foreign country once the locals said THEY had enough and they want to fly. Ok this is an African scenario I know but maybe it will make sense ( i had a few wines as well 4HP)
Now they took over and where I parked the machines 18 months they are still there. Ok so in some areas foreigners are sort of aid workers... ok this is not what I wanted to say because maybe a Saffer can not fly better than an American in his own country hey ?
Sorry I forgot about it .. ok sorry forget what I say .
Anyway nice to chat to you HOGG ... if you are nice boy I will bring biltong
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Captain Pheremone you said it right - if it wasn't for the fact that literally hundreds of very experienced SA pilots leave to Emirates,Cathay, Air MAuritius, Air Atlanta, Singapore etc. mostly everybody moaning here wouldnt even have the B200 job they have right now.And the good news is that the middle East, India,China etc is fast running out of pilot stock - so once y'all got a bit of jet time and get over your fear of foreign workers you might become one yourself. Thats if you can manage without the biltong and the boerie and the rugby and the sunshine and the Sandton bitches.
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I take the point about validations, and something should be done about that.
If a foreign pilot, who has an SA CPL/ATPL wants to fly a ZS aircraft outside of the RSA, I just don't see the problem.
Rossair Europe and Zimex, when they were around, all had non-European crews with JAR licences working for them. Plenty of N registrations with non-American crews etc..
Once that aircraft and crew are outside of RSA, it's no longer a domestic issue ie. every pilot for themselves.
Oh yes, and it really is alot easier for a South African to move to another country than for foreigners to move here. As yet this countries immigration process and requirements are far from transparent. Beautiful country though.
If a foreign pilot, who has an SA CPL/ATPL wants to fly a ZS aircraft outside of the RSA, I just don't see the problem.
Rossair Europe and Zimex, when they were around, all had non-European crews with JAR licences working for them. Plenty of N registrations with non-American crews etc..
Once that aircraft and crew are outside of RSA, it's no longer a domestic issue ie. every pilot for themselves.
Oh yes, and it really is alot easier for a South African to move to another country than for foreigners to move here. As yet this countries immigration process and requirements are far from transparent. Beautiful country though.
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"Riccardo, sorry mate have to disagree with U there, ET have foreigners in the 1900 and twin otter pool, a guy from Papa New Guinea etc.."
Malagant,
here is not a problem that you agree or not , the fact is that Executive Turbine sent me an e mail saying that "we do not hire foreigners"and that is all.
Now that they hire foreigners,like you say, make me think that it is not serious from them acting in that way even because I spent 3 weeks in several faxes at several people in E.T.and several phone calls to many others people at E.T.to get a no sense answer that they could give to me before. The reason that was not sense answer from E.T.is coming straight from you Malagant ,from your recent post.
So I do not know why they have been acting in this way ,but I know that is not correct no matter what nationality , citizenship ,religion,race and so foward to act with no respect towards people that want to look for a job seriousily.
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
Malagant,
here is not a problem that you agree or not , the fact is that Executive Turbine sent me an e mail saying that "we do not hire foreigners"and that is all.
Now that they hire foreigners,like you say, make me think that it is not serious from them acting in that way even because I spent 3 weeks in several faxes at several people in E.T.and several phone calls to many others people at E.T.to get a no sense answer that they could give to me before. The reason that was not sense answer from E.T.is coming straight from you Malagant ,from your recent post.
So I do not know why they have been acting in this way ,but I know that is not correct no matter what nationality , citizenship ,religion,race and so foward to act with no respect towards people that want to look for a job seriousily.
Sincerely
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easy, they are an sa contract operator, did nt you know that gave them licence to treat you like sh*t!
they always have and always will...that you can be sure of, oh and them eventually loosing their contracts because they are short sighted and greedy.
they always have and always will...that you can be sure of, oh and them eventually loosing their contracts because they are short sighted and greedy.
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Riccardo,
When you communicate with ET make sure you are talking to the correct department, that´s contracts not charter, it is the charter section that does not employ foreigners, contracts should be no problem, ask to speak to Lou or Brian, last I heard was that they were desperate for contract captains to work in Sudan, if that interests you.
When you communicate with ET make sure you are talking to the correct department, that´s contracts not charter, it is the charter section that does not employ foreigners, contracts should be no problem, ask to speak to Lou or Brian, last I heard was that they were desperate for contract captains to work in Sudan, if that interests you.
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Namibians
regarding namibians as foreigners.They usually have south african citizenship.Can you imagine if saffers from all over the world return with thousands of boeing and airbus hours.
approx 50% of air namibia pilots have access to SA passport
approx 50% of charter pilots are saffers.
saffers are welcome as all namibian pilots are already employed
greetings
sitting in FRA missing home
approx 50% of air namibia pilots have access to SA passport
approx 50% of charter pilots are saffers.
saffers are welcome as all namibian pilots are already employed
greetings
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One of my best mates is a B767 captain for Alitalia, guess what he told me:
3 captains from the old generation (when we still had the 747) were South Africans (he thinks they are flying for Cathay now..).
Now I think this is normal because like somebody said we are part of the Global village, but remember it works in both directions...
Good luck Good Flying
Speevy.
3 captains from the old generation (when we still had the 747) were South Africans (he thinks they are flying for Cathay now..).
Now I think this is normal because like somebody said we are part of the Global village, but remember it works in both directions...
Good luck Good Flying
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Guys,
I would say ALL our foreign pilots that fly ZS rented aircraft have a validation only. In the same token we employ a person NOT BECASUE of his citizen ship but skills; If he meets hours; have a good record; well he will have a job. I have flown in the US / Africa & "down under" I was NEVER asked for my Nationality as a qualifying factor, the license yes.
I would say ALL our foreign pilots that fly ZS rented aircraft have a validation only. In the same token we employ a person NOT BECASUE of his citizen ship but skills; If he meets hours; have a good record; well he will have a job. I have flown in the US / Africa & "down under" I was NEVER asked for my Nationality as a qualifying factor, the license yes.
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SAT_BOSS
SAT_BOSS you are lucky .
I know personally all the wrong company because they ask me for everythink.
Religion
Status
Citizen
Age
Weight
Race
Gender
and the lates from an Angecy recruitment they asked me to fill up an application where they ask also for the "Sexuality"(atcherley aviation from UK).
Now would be please so kind to tell me were an Italian guy with an FAA ATP type on be 200 ,be1900, and so o n can get a job?without those above stupid questions?
Thank you
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
I know personally all the wrong company because they ask me for everythink.
Religion
Status
Citizen
Age
Weight
Race
Gender
and the lates from an Angecy recruitment they asked me to fill up an application where they ask also for the "Sexuality"(atcherley aviation from UK).
Now would be please so kind to tell me were an Italian guy with an FAA ATP type on be 200 ,be1900, and so o n can get a job?without those above stupid questions?
Thank you
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
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Birdlady, you left out: 'usually the refuge of the unqualified and insecure'. Attention to detail please! Does any of this apply to you?
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