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Does anyone know what the actual story is here. Some people I ask say you can convert an FAA comm to a CAA comm by writing Airlaw and getting a validation that needs to be renewed yearly, others say no you can't. I have called CAA and guess what, I couldn't get a straight answer really. Some say you can only if the people you are going to fly for can justify to CAA that they need your particular skills (That would be a VERY rare occurance since we have some mighty fine aviators here in SA)
If you could convert what is the situation with various ratings on AC?
If you could convert what is the situation with various ratings on AC?
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Yes you can validate an FAA to CAA by writing airlaw and doing a flight test. The validation will be valid as long as your foreign medical is.
Sounds like you spoke to the wrong person at the CAA - call Claudia on 011 5451257, or look up the website - www.caa.co.za, on the homepage there is a section on validating a foreign licence, which will guide you through the process.
Sounds like you spoke to the wrong person at the CAA - call Claudia on 011 5451257, or look up the website - www.caa.co.za, on the homepage there is a section on validating a foreign licence, which will guide you through the process.
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Thanks Organ Donor, do you know which ratings would be valid, my SA ones, the US ones or both, or will Claudia be able to tell me, I'll give her a call in the am anyway, thanks again
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Heli_sticktime,
You may fly anything that you are legally allowed to fly on your FAA license. You may only add a type rating, with a MTOW of greater than 12500 by first having it endorsed on your FAA certificate, so for fixed wing, you could not add a B1900 by doing a course in S.A. as the FAA do not accept(most) of our type ratings. However not sure of the flingwing FAR's
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You may fly anything that you are legally allowed to fly on your FAA license. You may only add a type rating, with a MTOW of greater than 12500 by first having it endorsed on your FAA certificate, so for fixed wing, you could not add a B1900 by doing a course in S.A. as the FAA do not accept(most) of our type ratings. However not sure of the flingwing FAR's
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Validation or Conversion
Guys,
I am in a similar boat (sure many ppl are). Wondering if you folks have any inputs on this one.
I have abt 1300 hours and 500 of which are multi-turbine. I have all FAA stuff and am wondering if I can get a job in SA on the validation or the conversion?
Plus, is it a better idea to validate, then fly a couple hundred more hours and then go to the USA aand get the ATP there and come back and THEN convert the whole thing.
I have posted another thread about the scene in SA and everyone's posts were not very encouraging. i.e I wonder what it takes to get on the Jetstreams that Airlink has?
Anyways, what do you guys think?
CR
I am in a similar boat (sure many ppl are). Wondering if you folks have any inputs on this one.
I have abt 1300 hours and 500 of which are multi-turbine. I have all FAA stuff and am wondering if I can get a job in SA on the validation or the conversion?
Plus, is it a better idea to validate, then fly a couple hundred more hours and then go to the USA aand get the ATP there and come back and THEN convert the whole thing.
I have posted another thread about the scene in SA and everyone's posts were not very encouraging. i.e I wonder what it takes to get on the Jetstreams that Airlink has?
Anyways, what do you guys think?
CR
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I think B200drvr covered it. Air Law plus a flight check will validate your license. To be a bit more precise though its a flight check in every class/type you want validated. ie. Multi engine land, Single engine sea, rotorcraft/helicopter. it gets expensive. If you only need a certain rating just take the flight check for that one. Thats to say if your on vacation and want to fly a C 182, just get validated for Single engine land.
Employment is a whole different story.
Employment is a whole different story.
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I was thinking more form a rotorwing perspective for a smaller company. For instance I fly an EC120 and at the moment pay a small fortune per hour to rent it. Company in question would allow me to fly it for them doing basic charter work if I had a "comm". So... if I do the FAA thang and validate it just on single engine land rotor(sorry if my facts are skiff there) would I be allowed to fly with a validated comm after writing SA airlaw and passing a flight test? And would that mean I could fly a ZS registered EC120?
And lastly I am correct in saying that a R44, JetRanger and EC120 are all in the same class
Thanks HS
I was thinking more form a rotorwing perspective for a smaller company. For instance I fly an EC120 and at the moment pay a small fortune per hour to rent it. Company in question would allow me to fly it for them doing basic charter work if I had a "comm". So... if I do the FAA thang and validate it just on single engine land rotor(sorry if my facts are skiff there) would I be allowed to fly with a validated comm after writing SA airlaw and passing a flight test? And would that mean I could fly a ZS registered EC120?
And lastly I am correct in saying that a R44, JetRanger and EC120 are all in the same class
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Take my advice. SA is a wonderfull place but as a foreigner your chances of work are slim to non existant. If your willing to take the risk then go for it but you could end up sitting with a lot of debt and no work. 
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I am South African and in my opinion would prefer to have an FAA comm as I think it has a wider spectrum of use overseas. I also think that if CAA doesn't pull their finger out of their a
e a comm from SA might not be recognised in a few years. The subjects are old, outdated and are generally a large waste of time, see the thread on CAA Rumour.
I would prefer to spend more time on the practical aspect of flying as in the FAA flight test, after all that is what the end goal is, to fly, not to be able to take a Turbine engine to pieces and re-assemble it, or tell ATC the approximate aplitude of the wavelength my my transmission..you know what I mean, if you have studied it, when last did you use it??
As we all know, the CAA exams are more a test of your wit and command of the english language, as well as a bit of guess work
Just my 1.5 cents
I am South African and in my opinion would prefer to have an FAA comm as I think it has a wider spectrum of use overseas. I also think that if CAA doesn't pull their finger out of their a
e a comm from SA might not be recognised in a few years. The subjects are old, outdated and are generally a large waste of time, see the thread on CAA Rumour.I would prefer to spend more time on the practical aspect of flying as in the FAA flight test, after all that is what the end goal is, to fly, not to be able to take a Turbine engine to pieces and re-assemble it, or tell ATC the approximate aplitude of the wavelength my my transmission..you know what I mean, if you have studied it, when last did you use it??
As we all know, the CAA exams are more a test of your wit and command of the english language, as well as a bit of guess work
Just my 1.5 cents
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Heli,
Sa syllabus is definately outdated but its not the only system that is. JAA system seems to have the same problem. Interesting debate going on about this exact same thing in the proffessional pilots forum.
Sa syllabus is definately outdated but its not the only system that is. JAA system seems to have the same problem. Interesting debate going on about this exact same thing in the proffessional pilots forum.
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Bottom Line:If your a South African living in South Africa, get yourself an SA Comm. Anything else is only going to raise flags and cause problems.
Validation works good for those who visit SA or work a short term contract....
FAA License would be good if you were in the states and had the VISA that allowed work, other than that all it will afford you is the ability to fly N Reg Aircraft in Africa.. Consider this, they do have a Visa for Initial Pilot training in the states. Whether YOU would be considered a "new Pilot", I cant say. If you get your license before the VISA expires, it allows you to work for a few months. I dont have all the particulars, but I know of a few Helicopter types who have taken advantage of it.
Validation works good for those who visit SA or work a short term contract....
FAA License would be good if you were in the states and had the VISA that allowed work, other than that all it will afford you is the ability to fly N Reg Aircraft in Africa.. Consider this, they do have a Visa for Initial Pilot training in the states. Whether YOU would be considered a "new Pilot", I cant say. If you get your license before the VISA expires, it allows you to work for a few months. I dont have all the particulars, but I know of a few Helicopter types who have taken advantage of it.
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In my opinion any South African has the same right to work as you do, if he has a foreign license and the SACAA find it appropriate that he does airlaw and a flight test then why shouldnt you? Or are you just looking at FAA licenses? If you go to Australia with a SA CPL and the legal right to work, they will give you a full comm license if you write airlaw and procedures and do a flight test, Why should we be so different? I agree that people (pilots) who do not have the legal right to work in SA should not be able to get a work visa unless we do not have their field of expertise.
In my opinion any South African has the same right to work as you do, if he has a foreign license and the SACAA find it appropriate that he does airlaw and a flight test then why shouldnt you? Or are you just looking at FAA licenses? If you go to Australia with a SA CPL and the legal right to work, they will give you a full comm license if you write airlaw and procedures and do a flight test, Why should we be so different? I agree that people (pilots) who do not have the legal right to work in SA should not be able to get a work visa unless we do not have their field of expertise.
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I have just bought the King and ASA courseware for the FAA Com and have been finding it far more up to date with current aviation than the CAA curriculum. If you do your FAA exams, survive the 3 hour oral and flight test, then come back SA, pass Airlaw, and pass the CAA flight test with a DE, what's the difference? Your flight skills are up to standard so why shouldn't you be able to do the job?
Who know's how long your SACAA com will be recognized in other countries, some university degrees from here are no longer valid outside SA.
I have just bought the King and ASA courseware for the FAA Com and have been finding it far more up to date with current aviation than the CAA curriculum. If you do your FAA exams, survive the 3 hour oral and flight test, then come back SA, pass Airlaw, and pass the CAA flight test with a DE, what's the difference? Your flight skills are up to standard so why shouldn't you be able to do the job?
Who know's how long your SACAA com will be recognized in other countries, some university degrees from here are no longer valid outside SA.
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Beyond both those courses, there are some weekender crash courses. Class on Fri/Sat/Sun and take the exam on Sun afternoon.
Works good, I had Freddie V come over and he did it. Then took his checkride in the company B206......He has his FAA Comm.
If you feel up to it after having hit the books, the written exam is free at any FAA office....Checkrides are negotiable, but can be done reasonably. If the check ride is with the FAA its also free. getting the Helicopter is the expense.
You are correct in that an FAA License with proper Validation can be used in SA. I just think your going to find a bit of hostility if you try and make it go past short term......
Beyond both those courses, there are some weekender crash courses. Class on Fri/Sat/Sun and take the exam on Sun afternoon.
Works good, I had Freddie V come over and he did it. Then took his checkride in the company B206......He has his FAA Comm.
If you feel up to it after having hit the books, the written exam is free at any FAA office....Checkrides are negotiable, but can be done reasonably. If the check ride is with the FAA its also free. getting the Helicopter is the expense.
You are correct in that an FAA License with proper Validation can be used in SA. I just think your going to find a bit of hostility if you try and make it go past short term......
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HEY MAN GET YOUR EXAMS PASSED HERE IN RSA IF YOU CANT PASS THEN YOU SHOULDNT BE ALLOWED TO FLY ITS THAT SIMPLE. YOU HAVE THE WRONG ATTITUDE IF YOU WANT TO TAKE SHORT CUTS IN GETTING A LICENSE WHAT WILL YOU FLYING BE LIKE. AS FOR THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE RSA EXAMS BEING OUT DATED, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO SAY, YOU HAVENT GOT A LICENSE AND HAVE NEVER FLOWN PROFESSIONALY SO YOU CANT SAY JACK SH T ABOUT THE EXAMS.
T ABOUT THE EXAMS.
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Ah Napoleon, your name lives up to your post....I have done the ground school and passed four of the SA exams already! So please do me a favour. I merely state that in my opinion the SA exams are very outdated and most of the content other than Airlaw and a tiny bit of Nav is NEVER used again. Read the entire thread before you post, don't just pick up on the tail end. If a person passes the flight test and has the required hours they are as good as YOU or anyone and will be allowed to fly according to SACAA. Personal attacks just show your imaturity....and typing in CAPS ALL THE TIME??
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CAP OR NOT TO CAP is not the question. You are trying to get something by short cutting the normal system...probably just like you modify the check list and whatever else you consider out dated and of no use to YOU. You are not seeing the big picture here. WRONG attitude dude
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Since you are so full of wisdom, please explain in detail what the big picture is, I am really interested, no-one through the entire length of this thread has made that kind of statement so back it up...I am not being sarcastic here I would really like to know.
If you have the hours, passed the flight test, and the CAA has given you a validation I can't see the problem. Remember I am from this country, I am not taking a job away from another South African.
When I fly an aircraft I don't need to remember Why do pilots wear uniforms(actual question I got in Human Performace at CAA in Midrand - The correct answer ..to look important! I sh t you not, and I got it right by the way) I can get some more of those if you like, from various other subjects of which I have many old exam papers.
As for taking shortcuts....well I'm sure that's what the owners of Oceanlines first said to the Wright Brothers
Since you are so full of wisdom, please explain in detail what the big picture is, I am really interested, no-one through the entire length of this thread has made that kind of statement so back it up...I am not being sarcastic here I would really like to know.
If you have the hours, passed the flight test, and the CAA has given you a validation I can't see the problem. Remember I am from this country, I am not taking a job away from another South African.
When I fly an aircraft I don't need to remember Why do pilots wear uniforms(actual question I got in Human Performace at CAA in Midrand - The correct answer ..to look important! I sh
t you not, and I got it right by the way) I can get some more of those if you like, from various other subjects of which I have many old exam papers.As for taking shortcuts....well I'm sure that's what the owners of Oceanlines first said to the Wright Brothers