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Sorry guy but napoleon is right.
Why are you asking advise on how to short circuit the system? Even if it is legal, it's not right. All other RSA licence holders have had to jump through the same hoops and pass the same "outdated, waste of time" exams system. You are now trying to sneak through without putting in the effort that everyone else has. Shame on you.
What other aspects of RSA aviation procedures are you going to ignore because they do it better in America? Hey they have blanket type ratings over there in the States, so why not just get in and fly anything in RSA too, after all what do the RSA CAA know about needing to do type rating courses for small machines.
Sorry guy, but to even be asking the question you have demonstrates far too cavalier an attitude towards authority be in command of any flying machine IMHO.
Why are you asking advise on how to short circuit the system? Even if it is legal, it's not right. All other RSA licence holders have had to jump through the same hoops and pass the same "outdated, waste of time" exams system. You are now trying to sneak through without putting in the effort that everyone else has. Shame on you.
What other aspects of RSA aviation procedures are you going to ignore because they do it better in America? Hey they have blanket type ratings over there in the States, so why not just get in and fly anything in RSA too, after all what do the RSA CAA know about needing to do type rating courses for small machines.
Sorry guy, but to even be asking the question you have demonstrates far too cavalier an attitude towards authority be in command of any flying machine IMHO.
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AS FOR THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE RSA EXAMS BEING OUT DATED, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO SAY, YOU HAVENT GOT A LICENSE AND HAVE NEVER FLOWN PROFESSIONALY SO YOU CANT SAY JACK SH T ABOUT THE EXAMS.
Some have brought up that they are outdated. From what I have seen recently they are almost totaly useless in todays enviornment. Why on Gods green earth does a Helicopter Pilot have to know how to plot a course for a 747..... I certainly dont need to know how to build a radio, I buy the dam thing and if it goes out in flight I cant rebuild it anyway......
The testing Should be updated for sure. Probably simplified a bit.
Then again, if you want the license you have to take the test.......
FAA licensing is done by many and used all over Africa. Im pretty sure that many SA types are flying with them.
I do know Jack Sh1t, by the way, met him flying in the Cape.
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Howzit Grizzly good to see yah back. I see you still uphold the old standards. The next thing we will have erks asking if they can validate a license they bought in Kinshasa. Imagine flying with this guy who hasnt demonstrated the same capacity to gain knowlege as most of us have done. A lot of what we learn and do in training we never have to use "BUT" we still have to know it just incase something goes a tad awful. Quite frankly I wouldnt be happy having such a dodger with me.
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You two are entitled to your opinions, just be aware that there are many people flying in this country with FAA licenses, even in the regional carrier from what I have seen on this forum. There are also a couple of hundred thousand people in the US flying bigger planes than probably both of you with FAA licenses. When they look at us they blanket us with the rest of Africa and probably have the same opinion of our com as YOU do of theirs. Personally I feel you are both biased towards the SA com for your own reasons, but making a personal attack against my character each time you post just shows immaturity
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There's dodging and there's dodging. A $100 CPL bought in the DRC is a far cry from a validated FAA certificate which lays the emphasis on more up to date information than the SACAA requirements as well as a more strenuous flight test.
Comparing apples with oranges isn't a valid argument.
Comparing apples with oranges isn't a valid argument.
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As a matter of fact both Grizzly and I hold FAA ATP's and Grizzly has many more ATP's from "Real" countries too. The FAA ATP is good for the USA where it is used correctly. As for pilots flying bigger aircraft than Grizzly and I, Im sure they do so. Perhaps they (the yanquis) think poorly of us here in Africa because they know of people like you who apear to be ducking and diving instead of knuckling down and getting the knowlege in their heads and passing the tough exams. BTW the FAA exams and flight test are no breeze either. I am a lot older than you and have got more experience. Remember that education (out of date exam sylabus etc) is never wasted. Try to become the the most knowlegable pilot you can possibly be. Try to fly by superior knowlege and not by superior skill.
If you then fly by superior knowlege you will most likely never have to call on your superior skill.
Most of all try to see the BIG picture and good luck.
If you then fly by superior knowlege you will most likely never have to call on your superior skill.
Most of all try to see the BIG picture and good luck.
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Education is wasted on an out of date exam syllabus when questions are asked relating to a scrapped system that was dismantled two years previously and will never see service again.
I believe those questions have now been removed from the database but what was the point of retaining them so long?
I believe those questions have now been removed from the database but what was the point of retaining them so long?
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$100 for DRC ATP. dream on its $500 each 6 months plus $100 for a medical.
This youngster has the wrong attitude! with no experience he is telling us all he knows better.
I rest my case; but I still wish him luck as he might get his head staright one day.
This youngster has the wrong attitude! with no experience he is telling us all he knows better.
I rest my case; but I still wish him luck as he might get his head staright one day.
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Thanks SRT, I think you understand what I am trying to say
Napoleon I really don't think you can say that getting an FAA com as apposed to an SA com is a short cut merely because they focus on more up to date information. I have been through the entire SA com notes a number of times and there is nothing that is specific to SA other than a small bit of Airlaw, you must have forgotten half of what you learnt already.
You also assume that because I don't have a com rating yet I am some snot nosed kid, sorry to tell you that I am knocking on 40's door and the only purpose of me doing the com rating is to further my knowledge. When I do spend my hard earned money I would like to get the best deal I can, with the best information that is the most up to date. Therefore I feel that studying outdated material is a WASTE OF TIME! You make so many assumptions without any facts it worries me, when last did you do a CRM course?
There's a big difference between "tough" and "totally outdated". I have never implied that I know any better than you. We are all entitled to our opinions.
Napoleon I really don't think you can say that getting an FAA com as apposed to an SA com is a short cut merely because they focus on more up to date information. I have been through the entire SA com notes a number of times and there is nothing that is specific to SA other than a small bit of Airlaw, you must have forgotten half of what you learnt already.
You also assume that because I don't have a com rating yet I am some snot nosed kid, sorry to tell you that I am knocking on 40's door and the only purpose of me doing the com rating is to further my knowledge. When I do spend my hard earned money I would like to get the best deal I can, with the best information that is the most up to date. Therefore I feel that studying outdated material is a WASTE OF TIME! You make so many assumptions without any facts it worries me, when last did you do a CRM course?
There's a big difference between "tough" and "totally outdated". I have never implied that I know any better than you. We are all entitled to our opinions.
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USD500 for six months? Times have obviously changed since I was forced to get a Zairean validation to fly a ZS reg aircraft there....
Although they did make their money by confiscating our passports each time we arrived in Lubumbashi and charging us to get them back.
Although they did make their money by confiscating our passports each time we arrived in Lubumbashi and charging us to get them back.
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Heli-sticktime. An opinion you do have; but its about something you havent got or proven your level on knowlege to get as yet as I understand it. Solid Rust: yes times have changed in jolly old Zaire still great fun though we even call it DRC now still the same place though.
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If you'd bother to read my previous posts you'd see that I'm fully aware of what it's called now. At the time it was called by another name hence the reference to the validation by the authorities under that name.
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My word, have any of you chappies actually got FAA licences?
The exam sylabus is one thing, the exam is totally another. Under the US Freedom of Information Act all FAA exam questions are on the public record. You don't actually have to study any knowledge at all, rather just buy the Gleim exam books and spend a weekend matching exam questions with the correct A,B or C answer. Studied this way the exam may as well be in Chinese - no aviation knowledge at all is required to get a very good pass, just pattern recognition skills for the written shape of the question and the answer.
There are no shortcuts to passing the RSA exams (unless you can bribe someone at the CAA
). You have to study, and most people battle. Maybe the CAA uses it's difficulty as a way of weeding out the "wheat from the chaff", but as the licencing authority it's their perogative to decide on the criteria for licencing.
The FAA flight test is a flight test. You can either pass a IFR flight test or you can't. The standards are to all intents and purposes the same in the USA, Europe, South Africa, anywhere where the licence is gained through demonstrated ability, not on cash in the pocket. So your required flight skills level should be exactly the same for any flight test, again, unless you can bribe someone to take a shortcut!
So what are you getting from validating an FAA licence that you couldn't get from bribing someone at CAA to give you an exam pass? Hmmmmm slightly differnt question from your original post, but your end result is the same - working as a professional pilot without having had to perform to the same level as everyone else who holds a real RSA professional licence.
Why do you deserve the special attention of being given the right to fly professionally without having to perform to the same standards as everyone else in the industry?
The exam sylabus is one thing, the exam is totally another. Under the US Freedom of Information Act all FAA exam questions are on the public record. You don't actually have to study any knowledge at all, rather just buy the Gleim exam books and spend a weekend matching exam questions with the correct A,B or C answer. Studied this way the exam may as well be in Chinese - no aviation knowledge at all is required to get a very good pass, just pattern recognition skills for the written shape of the question and the answer.
There are no shortcuts to passing the RSA exams (unless you can bribe someone at the CAA
). You have to study, and most people battle. Maybe the CAA uses it's difficulty as a way of weeding out the "wheat from the chaff", but as the licencing authority it's their perogative to decide on the criteria for licencing.The FAA flight test is a flight test. You can either pass a IFR flight test or you can't. The standards are to all intents and purposes the same in the USA, Europe, South Africa, anywhere where the licence is gained through demonstrated ability, not on cash in the pocket. So your required flight skills level should be exactly the same for any flight test, again, unless you can bribe someone to take a shortcut!
So what are you getting from validating an FAA licence that you couldn't get from bribing someone at CAA to give you an exam pass? Hmmmmm slightly differnt question from your original post, but your end result is the same - working as a professional pilot without having had to perform to the same level as everyone else who holds a real RSA professional licence.
Why do you deserve the special attention of being given the right to fly professionally without having to perform to the same standards as everyone else in the industry?
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Grizzly, what exactly are you smoking old boy, where do you come from with this comment?
So what are you getting from validating an FAA licence that you couldn't get from bribing someone at CAA to give you an exam pass? Hmmmmm slightly differnt question from your original post,
I have never ever in any of my posts even slightly touched on the absolute sh
t you have just spoken, please dear God let me not be pax when you are in the left seat, can you even read a checklist, you can't seem to read a posting on a thread properly?
I have never asked for ANY special attention, I am comparing the two standards, and basically your stupidity is now boring me....if you want to comment, then READ THE POST!!
SRT I think these guys are probably at LOT less experienced than they seem to boast, judging by their "command"(or lack off) the English language
So what are you getting from validating an FAA licence that you couldn't get from bribing someone at CAA to give you an exam pass? Hmmmmm slightly differnt question from your original post,
I have never ever in any of my posts even slightly touched on the absolute sh
t you have just spoken, please dear God let me not be pax when you are in the left seat, can you even read a checklist, you can't seem to read a posting on a thread properly?I have never asked for ANY special attention, I am comparing the two standards, and basically your stupidity is now boring me....if you want to comment, then READ THE POST!!
SRT I think these guys are probably at LOT less experienced than they seem to boast, judging by their "command"(or lack off) the English language
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As an FAA licensed Pilot who validates when in Africa, it fun to watch this fight. Sort of like two cats in a Pillowcase.
I get the feeling that those with SA licenses, just want someone else to "feel their pain" after having gone through all those hoops.
Life is all about money and the shortest route. It appears that more than I thought are running around Africa with "Validated FAA Licenses" So be it. If they are accepted, use them.
Not being "Summa Cum Laude " from Flight school, the motto I learned is that your wings dont have your exam numbers on them or as they say what do you call the last guy in his class at Medical School....? Doctor.
So what I learned here is that some have done things more easily and others still like to get the educational whipping.........Both share the skies just as safely..
I get the feeling that those with SA licenses, just want someone else to "feel their pain" after having gone through all those hoops.
Life is all about money and the shortest route. It appears that more than I thought are running around Africa with "Validated FAA Licenses" So be it. If they are accepted, use them.
Not being "Summa Cum Laude " from Flight school, the motto I learned is that your wings dont have your exam numbers on them or as they say what do you call the last guy in his class at Medical School....? Doctor.
So what I learned here is that some have done things more easily and others still like to get the educational whipping.........Both share the skies just as safely..
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If you'd bother to read my previous posts you'd see that I'm fully aware of what it's called now. At the time it was called by another name hence the reference to the validation by the authorities under that name.
Sorry about the DRC thing I was trying to be funny.
If you'd bother to read my previous posts you'd see that I'm fully aware of what it's called now. At the time it was called by another name hence the reference to the validation by the authorities under that name.
Sorry about the DRC thing I was trying to be funny.
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No prob, boet. 
Got out the wrong side of bed yesterday and trying to get an answer from a bunch of duckers and divers on a job application I sent in isn't making things easier.
Got out the wrong side of bed yesterday and trying to get an answer from a bunch of duckers and divers on a job application I sent in isn't making things easier.
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HELI-STICKTIME Take note
As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions.
As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions.
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Ok Napoleon, point taken, sometimes I suppose we have to agree to disagree on points. Granted you guys have more experience than me, but don't get the wrong idea of me. I have worked hard in life for what I have and all I want is that when I spend time, effort and money on something, I get the best I can. I don't take short cuts and I'm a cautious, meticulous pilot, hope to see you out there in the skies sometime
