"If my DAD were Scully"
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As B200drvr says – if there is policy to recruit female pilots then it doesn’t matter who the parents are the individual is going to get in front of the queue. It the same in Europe as it must be in most other countries in the world these days, barring the ME.
Also I know that Scully has helped a lot people in this industry in many ways, some big some small. He’s a great personality and he is good at bringing the best out in people and boosting their confidence. Sorry, but if the chance came to me to return the favour it would be a no-brainer and I would not have needed a reminder to call in the favour either. That how life is “what ye sow, so shall you reap”.
“Quam transitus nostrum glorificus mundus”.
Also I know that Scully has helped a lot people in this industry in many ways, some big some small. He’s a great personality and he is good at bringing the best out in people and boosting their confidence. Sorry, but if the chance came to me to return the favour it would be a no-brainer and I would not have needed a reminder to call in the favour either. That how life is “what ye sow, so shall you reap”.
“Quam transitus nostrum glorificus mundus”.
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Sorry, I'm obviously missing something here.
Scully works for SAA. SAA and Nationwide are in direct competition - very bad-tempered competition a lot of the time too. From some of the things Vernon B's been quoted as saying in the past, he seems to regard Spoories as the Evil Empire. So how would Scully's name help anyone get a job with Nationwide?
Forgive me if I'm being more than usually thick..........
Scully works for SAA. SAA and Nationwide are in direct competition - very bad-tempered competition a lot of the time too. From some of the things Vernon B's been quoted as saying in the past, he seems to regard Spoories as the Evil Empire. So how would Scully's name help anyone get a job with Nationwide?
Forgive me if I'm being more than usually thick..........
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You're forgiven, and I arrest my case!
If everything in life was this clear, hey we should all have kept that brilliant point in mind!
tongue still firmly in cheek...
Anyone differing, could be tarred or burned at the stake! Boy have things changed in this great civilisation?
If everything in life was this clear, hey we should all have kept that brilliant point in mind!
tongue still firmly in cheek...
Anyone differing, could be tarred or burned at the stake! Boy have things changed in this great civilisation?
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SAA and Nationwide are in direct competition - very bad-tempered competition a lot of the time too
Shrugging your shoulders and saying 'Life's not fair, deal with it' is an inherently South African attitude. In some cases, I choose not to do that. Thats the reason behind my ongoing commentary on this thread, not any ill-will towards any of the persons in question. I've never met any of them.
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And interestingly, I got told that Nationwides stated policy (ie written down somewhere, Ops manual maybe?) is that new hires must have a minimum of 1500 hrs. Nationwide would have been guilty of breaking that 'rule' (if it is indeed true) in the recent past of course, but they seem to have complied with it with the recently hired groups.
This is a rumour network, and I unfortunately can't easily verify my point above. Plus of course, I don't know the total time of our current subject of discussion! I wonder if she reads these forums? It would be best if there were some more facts on the ground here, and quite frankly hearing them direct from the person in question would be great.
This is a rumour network, and I unfortunately can't easily verify my point above. Plus of course, I don't know the total time of our current subject of discussion! I wonder if she reads these forums? It would be best if there were some more facts on the ground here, and quite frankly hearing them direct from the person in question would be great.
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Enough already!!!!!
Can we close this thread please. Accept things as they are and you will lead a far happier life. If there is a Lady, or a person who is not of the fairer skin type out there they will get the job before you. That is the way the country operates at the moment. Accept it, wait your turn and have another dop to calm those nerves.
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Can we close this thread please. Accept things as they are and you will lead a far happier life. If there is a Lady, or a person who is not of the fairer skin type out there they will get the job before you. That is the way the country operates at the moment. Accept it, wait your turn and have another dop to calm those nerves.
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PORRIDGE,i agree with what you and so many others on here are saying.Sadly,though,to continue your use of latin maxim:"PER ARDUA AD ASTRA" is perhaps a fitting way of describing the difficulties many SA white males have in the industry.
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You're not going to change the system from the outside. The only way to do it is internally.
Kind of a Catch-22....
It remains doubtful whether anyone on here wouldn't have done the same thing, given the opportunity.
Kind of a Catch-22....
It remains doubtful whether anyone on here wouldn't have done the same thing, given the opportunity.
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If Scully had wanted to, he could have got his daughter into SAA! SAA is currently scraping the barrel trying to find suitable DG candidates for the airline, and recent interviews with non-cadet females have left the selection panel shaking their heads in dismay at the poor standard of the candidates they have been forced to interview, AND THEY HAVE NOT HIRED THESE CANDIDATES. I am sure that Scully's daughter would have flown through the interview process WITHOUT any prepping by her father, but he chose to let her gain experience outside of SAA which will ensure that she has far more experience than other white females hired by SAA when she is eventually hired, and then hopefully there won't be another thread like this screaming about preferential treatment!
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It's funny how people who are related to pilots in important influential positions are always judged as 'incompetent', etc. As if that's the only reason why they made it into the system. Some people do actually work hard and deserve where they are. Personally i think they are better off just being another nameless person because at least then they will be seen as equals.
Some of you people need to get over yourselves. There's a place in the sun for all of us! And if you have to work harder to get there, it will just make you a better person.
Some of you people need to get over yourselves. There's a place in the sun for all of us! And if you have to work harder to get there, it will just make you a better person.
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None of us would have said NO to that job no matter how or who helped us get it. Its her fortune and at the end of the day her career just goes a bit quicker than most. Don't blame her for it, be happy for her. We all need some luck at some stage and it will come.
The only thing I can't understand from all of this is that if she has the right connection why she doesn't just go straight to SAA!! More money and nicer aircraft!! Good luck S!!
The only thing I can't understand from all of this is that if she has the right connection why she doesn't just go straight to SAA!! More money and nicer aircraft!! Good luck S!!
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NTW ops manual does state that a co jo needs 1500 hours. But the company has hired sveral in the past two years who did not meet the requirement. The book is only there cause the CAA requires it. When I worked there I never had a copy and thus had no idea of basic operating policy every pilot should know by heart. They like to keep you in the dark....
As far as hiring a female goes I know for a fact the boss is not very keen on women cause they all leave - NTW lost all three their female pilots last year - two within three months of gettin hired - and all to SAA. My ten cents worth is that she was not hired by Vernon - but by Lady ops manager. And he probably blew his top when he heard about it. That said he probably accepted it cause they are under pressure to do more affirmative actions! Its a pretty white male company.
Lastly - a lot of guys there got hired cause they knew someone - or paid for it. Stop bitching about it; you all know that is the game here in SA and you would all do the same if you had a daddy with a famous name or a deep pocket.
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As far as hiring a female goes I know for a fact the boss is not very keen on women cause they all leave - NTW lost all three their female pilots last year - two within three months of gettin hired - and all to SAA. My ten cents worth is that she was not hired by Vernon - but by Lady ops manager. And he probably blew his top when he heard about it. That said he probably accepted it cause they are under pressure to do more affirmative actions! Its a pretty white male company.
Lastly - a lot of guys there got hired cause they knew someone - or paid for it. Stop bitching about it; you all know that is the game here in SA and you would all do the same if you had a daddy with a famous name or a deep pocket.
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Phantastic phraseology there oTd, indeed, it rather takes me back to Matthew 13:42. (NIV)
'It (Hell) is a fiery furnace where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
Trichotillomaniacal dehoration? Robert Mugabe?
Yes indeed, well coined and into the annals of linguistic history it should go. Semantically out foxed, I nominate you as the lingustic Ppruner of the year.
Enough of this thread!