A STOL aircraft for DRC
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Originally Posted by zimoke
How about a Dornier D228, should do it. Just dont buy off peter
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Peter ....
Zimoke - do you not enjoy Peter or do you know something we don't about his planes ?. If the latter is it becuase of a certain time by the sea at the hands of some "zimokes" ?
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Zimoke, 228 not able to handle dirt strips? 1200 engine cycles, 600 hours, 1200 landings, NO PROBLEMS
... If you don't believe me pm me with your email addy and i'll send you pictures.
As for not buying off Peter... go jump.
... If you don't believe me pm me with your email addy and i'll send you pictures. As for not buying off Peter... go jump.
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The Dornier will do it.STOL is it's middle name. Cessnafan, you obviously just know Cessna's. I fly a Dornier 228-201 in africa. We do on average 7 to 9 sectors a day, with battery starts at each stop, in the bush where you dont get GPU's, with complete confidence.. Had to use the GPU once in 11 months, and that was after we used battery power when adjusting and actuator the night before.
As for the nose wheel not handling rough strips...the undercart is built for military applications into unprepared strips. It actually comes off the Dornier Alpha-Jet, which if you get your copy of Jane's out, you will see is a rugged piece of kit.
The Garrets are low maintainence as long you have good batteries. Check the SA Flyer or African pilot this month. I belive one of them has an article about a Dornier which should confirm what I've said. Or just ask any ex-Link driver who has time on type.
As for the nose wheel not handling rough strips...the undercart is built for military applications into unprepared strips. It actually comes off the Dornier Alpha-Jet, which if you get your copy of Jane's out, you will see is a rugged piece of kit.
The Garrets are low maintainence as long you have good batteries. Check the SA Flyer or African pilot this month. I belive one of them has an article about a Dornier which should confirm what I've said. Or just ask any ex-Link driver who has time on type.
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Township, the dorniers nose gear is tough in the sense that it can take quite a punch without collapsing, however you start picking up alot of nonsence with the hydraulic nose wheel steering. AS for those Garetts, they good when theyr started, but if that FCU decides not to schedule fuel on start(and Murphy always schedules such an event when you're in the gamadulus) it does'nt matter how good the batteries are, you will be lucky to get a second cycle even with lead acids, and when that enrichment valve jams open, have your marsh mallows ready. Having said that,when all goes well its a nice machine to fly, like the crew door alot, short field is good. As for cessna's, my time consists of more of other types including Dorniers.
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Agree with CM. The Beefalo would be my choice. Good load carrier, relatively fast and great short field capability. Tough as old boots and a ramp for convenient loading/airdropping.
Best description is she's a Twotter on steroids...
Best description is she's a Twotter on steroids...
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The aircraft of the hour is the PAC 750XL - Ugly looking thing, but an incredible aircraft. Better than the Caravan and can carry more! Lands and takes-off on a dime.
Engine - P&W PT6A-34
Empty weight - 1460kg
Useful load - 1941kg
Cargo door - 122cm x 110cm
Fuel capacity - 841 l
Take off distance, ground roll - 880 ft
Landing distance, ground roll - 866 ft
Max cruise speed at 10 000ft - 169 ktas
Max endurance - 5 hours
Service ceiling - 20 000 ft
Pilots that have flown it says most awesome aircraft they have EVER flown!
Check it out at www.aerospace.co.nz
Just a suggestion, beats anything in Africa at the moment, even the good ol' DC3-T!!!!!!!!
Engine - P&W PT6A-34
Empty weight - 1460kg
Useful load - 1941kg
Cargo door - 122cm x 110cm
Fuel capacity - 841 l
Take off distance, ground roll - 880 ft
Landing distance, ground roll - 866 ft
Max cruise speed at 10 000ft - 169 ktas
Max endurance - 5 hours
Service ceiling - 20 000 ft
Pilots that have flown it says most awesome aircraft they have EVER flown!
Check it out at www.aerospace.co.nz
Just a suggestion, beats anything in Africa at the moment, even the good ol' DC3-T!!!!!!!!
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How about this
This might be the answer to your problem http://www.gippsaero.com/,certainly worth a look
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Airvan is a bit cramped for the crew and can't carry the weight required. You may pick up some prop damage as well. The PAC 750 XL is also going to battle a bit on dirt strips with the prop in such close proximity to the ground. Should work OK but the props won't last as long as they should.
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PAC 750 XL
I reckon it is going to chow a lot of dirt through that air intake even if the inertial seperator is open.Very low to the ground.Man and is that thing ugly or what?!
Performs well though.Had the opportunity to fly right seat with one of Naturelink's guys.He slammed everything forward for take-off and the engine just stayed within limits.Performed very,very short landing with 7 pax and about 4 hours of fuel.
I reckon it is going to chow a lot of dirt through that air intake even if the inertial seperator is open.Very low to the ground.Man and is that thing ugly or what?!
Performs well though.Had the opportunity to fly right seat with one of Naturelink's guys.He slammed everything forward for take-off and the engine just stayed within limits.Performed very,very short landing with 7 pax and about 4 hours of fuel.
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Stol Aircraft for DRC!!!
I know your'e not interested by aircraft from Eastern Europe!!!
But I'm a BIG FAN of the LET410!!!!
Cheap Reliable makes lots of noise!!!! And just when you thought you'd seen just about everything she can do, she pulls out yet another trick!!!!!
Thats my opinion!!!!
Happy Landings!!!!!!!
Pete77!!!!!!
But I'm a BIG FAN of the LET410!!!!
Cheap Reliable makes lots of noise!!!! And just when you thought you'd seen just about everything she can do, she pulls out yet another trick!!!!!
Thats my opinion!!!!
Happy Landings!!!!!!!
Pete77!!!!!!
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One of the outfits operating in Gabon has Dorniers and they did operate to short & rough bush strips there (mainly on the coast, soft sand and grass strips). The aircraft did the job alright, but this did after a while damage the nosewheel, and they eventually had to change the entire assembly way before its life limit.
Steering is nice to turn around on tight runways, it needs serious maintenance though.
Steering is nice to turn around on tight runways, it needs serious maintenance though.
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Dornier
I've heard about jetfly's dorniers, and i'm just talking from my own experience. In all our years operating the machines, we've only had damage from pilots neglecting to remove the pin from the actuator before towing. If you exceed 45 deg on tow you will comprehensively stuff up said actuator. Also most guys don't bother to keep the ram clean (i.e. give it a quick wipe every morning) and this can reduce component life. Spose it boils down to look after your equipment and it'll look after you, that goes for all aeries/women/pets/speed-boats/traffic cops 
