Tiger Moth prangs in CT
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To those 
, who do not know.The Tiger has been around for some time now, and has been part of the model show for some years.
And up to know, well just have not seen "a Tiger" do a low beatup! Can it??
Maybe some of you need to go do some homework and go and check the specs of a Tigermoth.
What is a Tigers aerobatic capabilities? Low "High" Speed Beatups?
If so, let us know?
So to those ALL, Stop the rumours! Get the facts on the table, and then give US all the info and findings.
And just a thought for the day, to the "Ace Pilots" hope your lucky starts are always with you
And to all the normal pilots, safe flying
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Propspanner it is clear that she is a god friend and a you try to protect her.
Good for you.
Just a clarification. Old Trek Donkie might not answer you back - so I will - he has double digid hours in the old log book mate. He has forgotten waht you must still learn (if you make comments like that).
Take it standing up - she fecked up.
We all do at a stage - some make it some don't. Quite easy.
have a model day.
Good for you.
Just a clarification. Old Trek Donkie might not answer you back - so I will - he has double digid hours in the old log book mate. He has forgotten waht you must still learn (if you make comments like that).
Take it standing up - she fecked up.
We all do at a stage - some make it some don't. Quite easy.
have a model day.
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Rule #2,
Always stay ahead of the aeroplane.
Not always easy, but here a flypast was obviously asked for and she thought she will comply.
A couple of other points regarding display flying jumps to mind in terms of protecting property or putting lives into danger or being a nuisance, should you decide to operate below the 500ft arena.
A bit of PLANNING for this HIGH speed fly-by would have indicated the presence of high tension wires directly in front of them, endangering their lives and the spectators' tremendously. If you are planning to do a display, stick to the rules, because a lot of people have not and have subsequently paid with their lives as well as those innocent flying with them and of those on the ground. These powerlines are indicated on her map that should be in the aeroplane with her, thus an obstacle to aviod, should you be compelled to wander below this 500ft. safety margin
Rules in aviation is there to protect, you realize the nuisance this lack of foresight is now causing all of us trying to explain this to you, (clearly) a non-aviator?
We as pilots in the bigger scale of things should realize this clear and present danger (they are indicated on aviation maps), as it is not always this forgiving.
Accident investigation, although not all of our forte's, focus on preventing something from happening again. One should remove oneself from personal emotions, but not easy for relatives and friends after an accident, hence always the inevitable, excellent pilot, safest aviator, experienced very professional and look at the facts and non compliances surrounding the incident.
Thus we as speculators see, engine running, very low, not approaching to land.....powerlines and now your testimony of a PLANNED FLY-BY or BEAT UP with video to go with it. Turned out spectacular, although I'm sure that was NOT planned.
Keep those feet firmly on the ground! We share your prayers for their speedy recovery.
Always stay ahead of the aeroplane.
Not always easy, but here a flypast was obviously asked for and she thought she will comply.
A couple of other points regarding display flying jumps to mind in terms of protecting property or putting lives into danger or being a nuisance, should you decide to operate below the 500ft arena.
A bit of PLANNING for this HIGH speed fly-by would have indicated the presence of high tension wires directly in front of them, endangering their lives and the spectators' tremendously. If you are planning to do a display, stick to the rules, because a lot of people have not and have subsequently paid with their lives as well as those innocent flying with them and of those on the ground. These powerlines are indicated on her map that should be in the aeroplane with her, thus an obstacle to aviod, should you be compelled to wander below this 500ft. safety margin
Rules in aviation is there to protect, you realize the nuisance this lack of foresight is now causing all of us trying to explain this to you, (clearly) a non-aviator?
We as pilots in the bigger scale of things should realize this clear and present danger (they are indicated on aviation maps), as it is not always this forgiving.
Accident investigation, although not all of our forte's, focus on preventing something from happening again. One should remove oneself from personal emotions, but not easy for relatives and friends after an accident, hence always the inevitable, excellent pilot, safest aviator, experienced very professional and look at the facts and non compliances surrounding the incident.
Thus we as speculators see, engine running, very low, not approaching to land.....powerlines and now your testimony of a PLANNED FLY-BY or BEAT UP with video to go with it. Turned out spectacular, although I'm sure that was NOT planned.
Keep those feet firmly on the ground! We share your prayers for their speedy recovery.
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Ah well, here goes ...
Thanks Gunship, I appreciate.
Yes, you got me right, I was going to ignore the rudeness of one of the contributors, who does not know north from south it seems, but in fact I am seriously OUTRAGED ! I cannot let matters stand as they are, not for one minute more !!!
I must make an important correction. Look here, the name is NOT donkie it is DRONKIE. Be aware of the difference. please.
Yet I notice the French for donkey is âne, so maybe we have happened on some Freudian typo link ? Interesting, interesting.
Well,
Since I am here anyway, let me say I entered the fray because I am tired of seeing remarks quoted by fools, ignorant fools. My interest is safe flight. When you want a very old aeroplane to perform a “low-level beat-up”, in a way you are encouraging pilots to push the envelope. I doubt that will please you. Low level beat-ups at air displays have an incredibly high record of broken aeroplanes and dead or battered pilots. This is not a well-kept secret. Yet still people encourage it.
“Jislaaik, you should have seen this ou, right on the deck, etc etc etc”
Pathetic, IMHO.
And O yes, “ the whistle of the wind through the wires as we gently side-slip into the tiny field, a quick blip of the throttles as we pop over the hedge and make a smashing three-pointer”, the goggles, silk scarf, Gosport tube, all very lovely and nostalgic, but flying into wire is another story.
Just to get it into context, try reading a magnificent book by Des Barker, an extremely knowledgeable and literate aviator if ever there were one. It is called “Zero Error Margin” and is the best book on safe (and other sorts of) flying at air displays I have read. It is a masterpiece. This man knows what is what, believe me. I suggest, humbly, all display pilots should give it a once-over, even if only to goggle at the photographs.
You see. Old Proppie man, many of us have lost good friends as a result of the stupid things they have done at air shows and would like to prevent others from falling into the same dangerous line of thinking. It is a complex subject and the best advice I can offer is to follow the law. The law is clear and I have no intention of repeating it (Thanks a stack for that oTd says the Ppruners)
Sincerely, I wish the good lady well and a speedy recovery, as I wish all those pilots who have similar misfortunes, of course I do. It’s nothing personal, but I am quite entitled, under the Pprune rules, to comment on why an aeroplane, on its way to carry out a low-level “beat-up” - how I cringe when I hear those words – flies into wire. And crashes. Unfortunately, I know a lot about it.
While I am pontificating, let me offer some more advice to you. Don’t make assumptions about contributors when you write to Pprune, you never who is hiding under a silly name. You will be surprised to learn that I enjoy radio-controlled models and spent a fascinating morning recently with my boet watching some toppies do amazing things with their aircraft. One of them, a WW2 pilot said he could do more with his mini bird than he could with his Spit. Then proved it. Fascinating.
BTW, the Tiger is aerobatic and it can fly faster than 60 mph.
OTd
Yes, you got me right, I was going to ignore the rudeness of one of the contributors, who does not know north from south it seems, but in fact I am seriously OUTRAGED ! I cannot let matters stand as they are, not for one minute more !!!
I must make an important correction. Look here, the name is NOT donkie it is DRONKIE. Be aware of the difference. please.
Yet I notice the French for donkey is âne, so maybe we have happened on some Freudian typo link ? Interesting, interesting.
Well,
Since I am here anyway, let me say I entered the fray because I am tired of seeing remarks quoted by fools, ignorant fools. My interest is safe flight. When you want a very old aeroplane to perform a “low-level beat-up”, in a way you are encouraging pilots to push the envelope. I doubt that will please you. Low level beat-ups at air displays have an incredibly high record of broken aeroplanes and dead or battered pilots. This is not a well-kept secret. Yet still people encourage it.
“Jislaaik, you should have seen this ou, right on the deck, etc etc etc”
Pathetic, IMHO.
And O yes, “ the whistle of the wind through the wires as we gently side-slip into the tiny field, a quick blip of the throttles as we pop over the hedge and make a smashing three-pointer”, the goggles, silk scarf, Gosport tube, all very lovely and nostalgic, but flying into wire is another story.
Just to get it into context, try reading a magnificent book by Des Barker, an extremely knowledgeable and literate aviator if ever there were one. It is called “Zero Error Margin” and is the best book on safe (and other sorts of) flying at air displays I have read. It is a masterpiece. This man knows what is what, believe me. I suggest, humbly, all display pilots should give it a once-over, even if only to goggle at the photographs.
You see. Old Proppie man, many of us have lost good friends as a result of the stupid things they have done at air shows and would like to prevent others from falling into the same dangerous line of thinking. It is a complex subject and the best advice I can offer is to follow the law. The law is clear and I have no intention of repeating it (Thanks a stack for that oTd says the Ppruners)
Sincerely, I wish the good lady well and a speedy recovery, as I wish all those pilots who have similar misfortunes, of course I do. It’s nothing personal, but I am quite entitled, under the Pprune rules, to comment on why an aeroplane, on its way to carry out a low-level “beat-up” - how I cringe when I hear those words – flies into wire. And crashes. Unfortunately, I know a lot about it.
While I am pontificating, let me offer some more advice to you. Don’t make assumptions about contributors when you write to Pprune, you never who is hiding under a silly name. You will be surprised to learn that I enjoy radio-controlled models and spent a fascinating morning recently with my boet watching some toppies do amazing things with their aircraft. One of them, a WW2 pilot said he could do more with his mini bird than he could with his Spit. Then proved it. Fascinating.
BTW, the Tiger is aerobatic and it can fly faster than 60 mph.
OTd
