Nationwide recruits foreign pilots
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.....seems that 10 in every 1 bear is schizophrenic..... Greetings and salutations cheetah.....how goes it with you today ????
In response to the posting by VTS Therefore concluding that said bear is not a well puppy at all and although he has been certified on numerous occasions he has yet to be committed
So my guess is that 'Oom', 'Uncle', or whomever he may be is either keeping shtum or is building up to a huge and all-encompassing, mind blowing response.....or is it just me ?...
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I suppose you know:
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I give in .
Can we all please go back to b****r (bother) with stars?
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Guys you need to get back to the point..........
I know on good authority from a reliable source that a Captain in Europe will take home in his pocket between £ 4000 to 5000 @ 12 to 1 that’s Rands 48000 to 60000 in your pocket after tax ...........
That is nowhere close to what a Captain will take home at NW
If foreign crews from Europe are going to come down to South Africa and earn a NW salary then I can only imagine that the deal between VB and the airline in question, has been sweetened some other way, by this I mean that the airline in question will be making up the salaries of the pilots or will be carrying the cost of the short fall, because they feel they will benefit more in the long run out of this arrangement between NW and the airline in Question.
The problem is not that foreign crew are coming to fly for NW..…
The problem is that the NW pilots are not even getting paid a salary that reflects the South African market related standard, and are nowhere close to the standards in Europe.
I do not profess to be a whiz kid when it comes to financial matters or running an airline but it does strike me as odd that NW has the money to source foreign crew but cant afford to pay the very pilots that have taken this airline very successfully to where it is now………
Let us all REMEMBER it is not VB that has achieved success with nationwide but the very people he (VB) so easily exploits.
May he sleep well with his conscience at night.
I know on good authority from a reliable source that a Captain in Europe will take home in his pocket between £ 4000 to 5000 @ 12 to 1 that’s Rands 48000 to 60000 in your pocket after tax ...........
That is nowhere close to what a Captain will take home at NW
If foreign crews from Europe are going to come down to South Africa and earn a NW salary then I can only imagine that the deal between VB and the airline in question, has been sweetened some other way, by this I mean that the airline in question will be making up the salaries of the pilots or will be carrying the cost of the short fall, because they feel they will benefit more in the long run out of this arrangement between NW and the airline in Question.
The problem is not that foreign crew are coming to fly for NW..…
The problem is that the NW pilots are not even getting paid a salary that reflects the South African market related standard, and are nowhere close to the standards in Europe.
I do not profess to be a whiz kid when it comes to financial matters or running an airline but it does strike me as odd that NW has the money to source foreign crew but cant afford to pay the very pilots that have taken this airline very successfully to where it is now………
Let us all REMEMBER it is not VB that has achieved success with nationwide but the very people he (VB) so easily exploits.
May he sleep well with his conscience at night.
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Dear Fluffy,
You are guessing too much. House rent, utilities and food are costing I betting you twice as much as in South Africa. In fact I betting you again that everything in Europe is too much more expensive. Keep the things in perspective. I also betting you that pilots in South Africa are making much more pay than in Zambia, Tanzania or Malawi or other african places. Even more you are the one not keeping to my point. VB is doing with his company because he is owner. All you complaining people need to be respecting these entrepeneurs. I real freedom. Not like this SAA that is overspending, overpaying and under performing. By the way. You work for SAA? Now? Before? What you care about owners? Disrespecting is not right.
S Fb
You are guessing too much. House rent, utilities and food are costing I betting you twice as much as in South Africa. In fact I betting you again that everything in Europe is too much more expensive. Keep the things in perspective. I also betting you that pilots in South Africa are making much more pay than in Zambia, Tanzania or Malawi or other african places. Even more you are the one not keeping to my point. VB is doing with his company because he is owner. All you complaining people need to be respecting these entrepeneurs. I real freedom. Not like this SAA that is overspending, overpaying and under performing. By the way. You work for SAA? Now? Before? What you care about owners? Disrespecting is not right.
S Fb
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I think it sad to see NW getting pilots from outside South Africa. There are many good young pilots in SA willing to sign a traning bond.
I say give the young guys a chance,
I say give the young guys a chance,
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Dear Flyboy,
The very fact that you are “betting” me, means that you don’t know the facts for yourself. You didn’t read my posting correctly……… I said that I know on good authority what the pay is like in Europe.
This is off the point but just to satisfy your curiosity it cost an average of £ 2000 per month to live well in Europe, that’s rent, car, petrol, food, utilities, etc.
£ 4000 to £ 5000 salary in pocket, less £ 2000 bills, leaves you will 2 to 3 thousand pounds which equates to Rands 24000 to 36000.
The NW gross salary is only Rands 30000 for a Captain and you still need to be taxed and then all the expenses taken off first. You should be able to do the maths.
To get back to your point, I have only ever worked for companies that are owned by one man, including the one in discussion here, and to be franc I would like to work for a big organisation like SAA, BA, KLM, etc that will look after me as an employee and not abuse me like so many of the one man bands have done that I have worked for.
Now my point……… there are so many Captains wanting to leave NW because the pay is below the SA market standard.
Why does VB not pay the very pilots that are loyal to him, that have made NW what it is today, and not throw money away on getting in foreign crew at greater expense just to solve a problem that would not be a problem in the first place had VB paid his pilots the market related salary they deserve.
Fly boy I don’t know your background in aviation but it will be interesting to see how you will feel when you are working for a company like NW and you get treated the same way that the pilots are being treated right now.
I am sure you will be happy to accept whatever your employer throws at you to ensure he makes a big fat living at your expense.
You are guessing too much. House rent, utilities and food are costing I betting you twice as much as in South Africa.
This is off the point but just to satisfy your curiosity it cost an average of £ 2000 per month to live well in Europe, that’s rent, car, petrol, food, utilities, etc.
£ 4000 to £ 5000 salary in pocket, less £ 2000 bills, leaves you will 2 to 3 thousand pounds which equates to Rands 24000 to 36000.
The NW gross salary is only Rands 30000 for a Captain and you still need to be taxed and then all the expenses taken off first. You should be able to do the maths.
To get back to your point, I have only ever worked for companies that are owned by one man, including the one in discussion here, and to be franc I would like to work for a big organisation like SAA, BA, KLM, etc that will look after me as an employee and not abuse me like so many of the one man bands have done that I have worked for.
Now my point……… there are so many Captains wanting to leave NW because the pay is below the SA market standard.
Why does VB not pay the very pilots that are loyal to him, that have made NW what it is today, and not throw money away on getting in foreign crew at greater expense just to solve a problem that would not be a problem in the first place had VB paid his pilots the market related salary they deserve.
Fly boy I don’t know your background in aviation but it will be interesting to see how you will feel when you are working for a company like NW and you get treated the same way that the pilots are being treated right now.
I am sure you will be happy to accept whatever your employer throws at you to ensure he makes a big fat living at your expense.
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Without going into a long dissertation about northern salaries and costs of living, there is one thing you chaps should determine.
A lot of companies in the north lay off crew over the winter and recruit them again when the spring/summer charter hell starts up once more.
How many of the flyers coming south have been laid up on half pay or no pay at all for the long and gloomy deep freeze?
Cop the drift?
Oh yes and, with reference to another thread, what is the average genuine experience level of these pilots and who at NW is the prime mover behind such recent recruitment policy?
Food for thought perchance?
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....Greetings and salutations to one and all.....Having just returned from a self imposed session of R & R along one of our finest coast lines and having spent many a happy hour persuing a dimpled orb around vast areas of real estate and then having found it, proceeding to dispatch it once again into the blue yonder using a varing array of steel/titanium and carbon fibre clubs with varying degrees of loft.....I am glad to see that the debate surrounding Mr.VB's idea of obtaining foreign aviators as opposed to local one is still raging along unabated....be it now that it has progressed to the pro's and cons of lifestyles on different continents...well I shall peruse these posts with deep and undivided attention and will reserve judgment for a later stage........
Greetings cheetah...I see you are overflowing with deep and meaningfull comment as usual
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What Ho ! yogibear!
Dimpled orbs, viagra enhanced clubs?
The imagination positively ullulates with shivery irrintzis!
Reminds me of the time when I had the bottom cut out of a large coal bucket; lined the thing with blue velvet. Lady of the moment was placed in bucket, obvious end first ? The bucket was lowered onto titanium enriched club, then bucket was gently spun by two female servants. Quite a yummy sort of experience. Slightly exhausting before tiffin.
Suggested to me by an eminent clergyman as a rather a novel and pleasant variation of that well known ditty:
'There's a Hole in my Bucket.
Which Hole Dear Liza?'
Not recommended for Scout or Guide Sing Alongs.
Wonder what's happened to the BB Bucket of Worms this bright and cheerful Monday morn?
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...Did you you ever ask the eminent clergyman how he came to know of such a novel use for a bucket...?.. Speaking of which, you dont by any chance still have said bucket in your possession do you ???....I know of a few folks ( and I wont make mention of thier said identities on these esteemed pages) whom I would glady place, obvious end first, into said bucket and lowered onto, not anything quite as enjoyable as a titanium enriched club but rather a rather well established succulent of desert origin who's outer covering is made up of myriads of sharp and rather unpleasant barbs....
It may be that the authors and source of the 'bucket of worms' are also the loyal and devout followers of a certain blue-ish bovine and are in a state of conciously invoked rigor mortise following the lashing dealt out to thier object of worship by a certain high speed feline who resides in the predominantly flatter regions of central South Africa......
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Hello again, one and all.
Flight International. 25-31 October 2005, has the following advertisement on page 76.
NATIONWIDE AIRLINES
B737-200/500, B727 and B767 Captains - S.A. Based
Current type ratings significant command exp. Jhb, 3-6 month contracts.
Salary dependent on quals/exp
Email CV to [email protected] or
fax to +2711 395 3192
B767 Licensed Technicians- LGW (U.K)
Avionics and mech. Min. 3 years'experience on type.
Salary dependent on quals/exp.
Email CV to [email protected]
or fax to +2711 390 2310.
The advertisement for pilots is quite obviously aimed at attracting ex-patriate workers.
I should have thought that one recourse open to those who might wish to do so, would be to bring the matter to the public attention in South Africa to such an extent that the Department of the Interior, let alone DCA, would find the situation embarrassing. Of course, you might end up with a load of ex Zim chaps but I somehow doubt that such is the thrust of the Flight insertion. (SA AIRNEWS possibly, perhaps?)
Please note that the contractual time period specified in the advertisement precisely conforms to the northern hemisphere winter lay off routine. My money says that Nationwide will be innundated with replies.
It would not be too far beyond the bounds of reality to speculate that Nationwide has already lined up matters with the necessary government departments to the extent that any problems associated with work permit and licence application/validation have been sorted out.
Toodle Pip for the moment. Don't forget, it's not done to shoot the messenger.
To the best of my rather perlustrated memory, the clergyman in question might well have been Bishop Mupanga, whose widow, Charity, now owns Harrods International Bar and Nightspot the favourite place for the movers and shakers of Kibera in the state of Ubuntu in East Africa.
