J O's R330,000 cadet scheme
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There is a strong rumour out there that O's new outfit, Sky Haul, is the front runner for the Post Office contract and that SAA and Safair have been eliminated as contenders. Does anyone know anything about this as well as anything about Convair 580 freighters that are apparently going to be used?
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Please folks ! A general reminder about the use of real names on the forum. If they are already in the wider public domain then that may be fine. Otherwise refrain. It doesn't matter if we are talking about Atilla the Hun or Mother Theresa the same rules apply.
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Hi Jetdriver,
I agree with you 100% but I think this should not apply to this particular person. I strongly believe that pilots should look out for their own but he, being a experienced pilot himself, is out to make a quick buck of a new aspiring pilot and in doing so he is destroying a potentially great young pilot's career and bank account. This is just plain wrong!
I agree with you 100% but I think this should not apply to this particular person. I strongly believe that pilots should look out for their own but he, being a experienced pilot himself, is out to make a quick buck of a new aspiring pilot and in doing so he is destroying a potentially great young pilot's career and bank account. This is just plain wrong!
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Jetdriver, there are many posts in these forums, probably thousands, where names have been used because that is the only means of referring to situations. Why pick on just this one to change the names to initials? This guy is well known in South African aviation but it for those who don't know him and are about to get scammed that this post was meant for. I urge all who have read this post and know who J O is, to spread the word about what you have read in this post and maybe you will save someone a few hundred thousand Rand and probably their career and even their life!! Email me if you need the guys real name!!
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Sebas (Vissy) and jbayfan.
I couldn't agree with you more gent's. This guy should face the music and his day will come.
If we may be afforded the opportunity to expose his shenanigans, we invariably provide invaluable knowledge to potential aspiring pilots and are indubitably doing the right thing. Surely we owe it to ourselves to look out for each other? After all, he look's out for no1!
PPrune endows us with one of the best mediums to do so. An exeption to the 'rule' in this case is perfectly justified in my opinion.
I take comfort in the expression; "Poetic Justice"....
I couldn't agree with you more gent's. This guy should face the music and his day will come.
If we may be afforded the opportunity to expose his shenanigans, we invariably provide invaluable knowledge to potential aspiring pilots and are indubitably doing the right thing. Surely we owe it to ourselves to look out for each other? After all, he look's out for no1!
PPrune endows us with one of the best mediums to do so. An exeption to the 'rule' in this case is perfectly justified in my opinion.
I take comfort in the expression; "Poetic Justice"....
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Convair 580 is now in use by Skyhaul, also saw a few recruits busy with their ratings the other day. Saw a few very K..K landings, maybe thats what happens when you do a slam dunk rating!
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My Two Cents
The Cargo operation did use E.T. 1900's for a few weeks. They were at first crewed by E.T. pilots until J.O. converted his crew (all in one weekend apparently). Since then he has leased a Convair from a Cape Town company (Aircraft and maintenance only), until his convairs are on line. Apparently they have got the whole postal contract and there will soon be about 7 Convairs flying around. Apparently these aircraft are acutally in existence and are almost ready to come over.
Firstly they couldn't load 2 1900's on time, the chances of loading 1 convair on time is probably zero. Never mind the paper trail. It would not be hard for CAA to find serious discrepencies and deficiencies in that operation. (Just look at the oloe extension)
From what I understand the Convair is a busy aircraft. To have fairly inexperience crew operating these aircraft may be asking for trouble.
Bottom line, start using email, and don't expect your post to arrive.
Oh well.
The Cargo operation did use E.T. 1900's for a few weeks. They were at first crewed by E.T. pilots until J.O. converted his crew (all in one weekend apparently). Since then he has leased a Convair from a Cape Town company (Aircraft and maintenance only), until his convairs are on line. Apparently they have got the whole postal contract and there will soon be about 7 Convairs flying around. Apparently these aircraft are acutally in existence and are almost ready to come over.
Firstly they couldn't load 2 1900's on time, the chances of loading 1 convair on time is probably zero. Never mind the paper trail. It would not be hard for CAA to find serious discrepencies and deficiencies in that operation. (Just look at the oloe extension)
From what I understand the Convair is a busy aircraft. To have fairly inexperience crew operating these aircraft may be asking for trouble.
Bottom line, start using email, and don't expect your post to arrive.
Oh well.
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Checked out one of the Convairs this morning out of PE.....which also did an aborted take off!!!!. Umm wonder what that was all about? ATC asked the man in question (no names mentioned) how many Convairs they were operating? Apparently as many as seven are on their way here,apparently ex- DHL contracts in Europe or so it was said.
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Yeah, it appears all 13 were converted to the 1900 on 26/6/05 in about 4-5 hours flying at FAWA. One could check the tower logs at FAWB for the arrival and departure times of the 1900 that day.
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CAA Flight Operations Inspectors: are any of you guys reading this thread???
If not, why not.
Just a couple of route checks, ramp checks etc and you should be able to nail this operation if all the accusations are true.
Or have you not got the expertise anymore to do a route check?
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If not, why not.
Just a couple of route checks, ramp checks etc and you should be able to nail this operation if all the accusations are true.
Or have you not got the expertise anymore to do a route check?
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At the risk of sounding cynical ??
I am reliably informed, that the 1900 conversions in question which were conducted at Wonderboom/Warmbaths consisted of 15 pilots aboard a cargo configuered aircraft with no seats for 13 of the guys to sit on, ( which rule was infringed here ?), furthermore the conversion consisted of 3 touch and go's for each pilot at Warmbaths airfield but each candidate logged a 1.5 hour conversion for the CAA records.
Even the most seriously previously disadvanteged CAA inspector , if he did the sums correctly, would note that 1.5 hours of flying per pilot would equate to 19.5 hours of flying time in a single training sortie, which would mean that even the most flamboyantly creative flight planner would have trouble getting these numbers to work out, not to mention the FDP implications for the instructor. ( ?????), but it would seem that these little accounting formalities are not beyond J.O.
Considering the above mentioned facts, lets cast our eyes forward to Skyhaul's up and coming operational forthcoming attraction with the Convairs and cadets.
Its safe to assume that we will shortly witness some seriously undermaintained aircraft , operating with seriously inexperienced and inappropriatly rated crew, at night, into statistically one of the most dangerous/hazardous airfields in the country after some very creative FDP planning.
Surely the alarm bells and flashing red lights should be sounding at CAA right now ?????
Even the most seriously previously disadvanteged CAA inspector , if he did the sums correctly, would note that 1.5 hours of flying per pilot would equate to 19.5 hours of flying time in a single training sortie, which would mean that even the most flamboyantly creative flight planner would have trouble getting these numbers to work out, not to mention the FDP implications for the instructor. ( ?????), but it would seem that these little accounting formalities are not beyond J.O.
Considering the above mentioned facts, lets cast our eyes forward to Skyhaul's up and coming operational forthcoming attraction with the Convairs and cadets.
Its safe to assume that we will shortly witness some seriously undermaintained aircraft , operating with seriously inexperienced and inappropriatly rated crew, at night, into statistically one of the most dangerous/hazardous airfields in the country after some very creative FDP planning.
Surely the alarm bells and flashing red lights should be sounding at CAA right now ?????
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Surely the alarm bells and flashing red lights should be sounding at CAA right now ?????
Seriously : Gents this is the type of trap that I am trying to avoid for the good lady NOT to fall in.
Tx - we will keep our eyes open
