CAA American Validations

[B Sousa]

toobadsosad.
My validation is for flying ZS/ZU aircraft anywhere. In or out of SA.
At one time for ferry purposes I did have a validation for outside SA.
I had to do the Air Law Exam , that was the difference. As I always say it was so much fun I did it twice........
As to hopping into a Twin Otter etc, yes that can be done but your FAA license will at least indicate Multi-Engine Land.
If you were questioned by the FAA they would want to see not only your license but the endorsement in your logbook, denoting a checkout and flight time to show currency. Currency being three take-offs and three landings within 90 days. I also think there has to be an hours flight time. Usually they wont bother as you mentioned.
Im too lazy to look up. the stuff, its in the FARs at the website I posted......
By the way O flaming one, I will be over in SA around June or July if you want a copy of the 2005 FAR/AIM. I think they are around R120.

[Putcodrvr]

Here is where the hot gen is for validations.

http://www.caa.co.za/Public/FAQ/Vali...2030.7AIC.html

On top of this you have to supply certified copies of your Licence;Medical;Logbook and a Letter from the FAA Certifying the licence details. Although CAA have now realised that the FAA will not give this letter. On enquirey they refer you to the website where FAA licenses can be verified!
For the first validation, you have to write Air Law and Procedures (For IR validation. Procedures only for VFR with night rating) plus do a Flight test and a Radio licence.
Then for renewal (normally co-incides with FAA Medical and IR renewal dates) you have to submit ALL the paperwork again!! CAA do not keep a file on each pilot licence that is validated!!??
BTW there is no more Outside Borders or Inside SA Validation.
Beentheredunnitgotthe****swithcaa

[Beta Light]

Look like Putco have more updated gen. then me, but one way to preserve jobs for local boys on ZS aircraft is to go the Labour dept. way.
We had similar problems, and according to our lawyers at the time C.A.A. can only issue validations if cleared by Labour Dept. if there are no S.A. rated pilots avail.

[Solid Rust Twotter]

If other countries reciprocate, the labour market will be flooded with returning SA expats from Cathay, Emirates and everywhere else. Reserving jobs for local pilots will backfire in an ugly way, making things even more difficult than they are now.

Small minds again....

[Beta Light]

Solid Rust, that is how it is, everywhere. Do you think Emirates, Mauritius, Cathay etc. take expats because thety want to?? These guys cost them big bucks as expats, your resident visa is only good as long as you have a job. Wives not allowed to work. Only reason these guys got the job is because there are no locals avail for the job.

Have you ever tryed to find work in the E.U? Try to find a flying position in Aus.. not as long as one Aussie is out of work, and rightly so.

Closed mind again....

[Solid Rust Twotter]

The small minds comment refers to the shortsightedness of the authorities trying to reserve jobs so your closed minds comment was uncalled for. If there's any closed minds around here I reckon they're closer to home than you think. If local pilots can do the job, I don't think any local operator would shoot himself in the foot by employing expats unless the agreement is to allow them to fly for free, thus saving money. Somehow, I don't think that's a common reason. Unfortunately, the 200hr comm holder just out of 43 gets unhappy because he believes the left seat on that KA200 belongs to him. Insurance companies have minimum requirements and if local pilots don't meet them, expats may be the answer.

There are a number of South Africans working in Oz so not sure what you mean. Ryanair in the EU is infested with SA pilots. Once again, they met the requirements. No one would survive in business by employing lesser qualified people. It's the old "best man for the job" story and it makes sense. Taking on expats with lesser qualifications would just be stupid and ultimately self defeating.

By reserving jobs for SA pilots, a perception may be generated that affects those of us working abroad and a tit for tat scenario may develop. This would be very unhealthy for SA aviation as we have people working in just about every country on the planet. If they returned en masse there would be chaos.

I reiterate my point that closing the door on foreign pilots would not be a wise move by the powers that be in that all levels will suffer for it, even the training institutions who keep their heads above water training foreign students. Less students = less instructors = more pilots out looking for work.

I don't believe there's any merit in just flat out closing the door on foreign pilots, many of whom trained in SA and have SA qualifications. There's enough for everyone but we have to work for it. Rather direct your ire toward a certain cadet scheme which is tying up jobs in small companies that the hard working self funded comm pilots have no chance at getting.

[B Sousa]

Putco driver has his finger on the pulse. It is a major pain in the ass and has to be done every time your FAA medical expires......And yes it costs money every time........
He brings up one other item a Radio License. One of the most Archaic items in Avaition. I still have one from the states, but they are not used anymore. The airways there are free and the Aircraft contains a license, thats all that is necessary. Any country who requires Pilots to have a Radio License do it for one Reason..........$$$Money$$$. When you broadcast, you do it using the Aircraft number, not your name........!!!
As I only fly a little bit in SA sometimes, so its not a problem. But for anyone serious, you might as well dig in and get an SA License.
ON the other side of the coin for those reading the Huey thread and what folks seem to be getting away with, why worry. Whos going to do squat if you dont get a validation. Comments??

By the way PD your website didnt fly, is it my computer?? I realiaze, that you dont look like you give....................ha ha

[Putcodrvr]

Bert. U got it. Kevin Bloody Wilson is the man!
Its the SACAA website. On the front page there's a link on the procedures and regs according AIC 30.7. Validations of Foreign licences