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If KB14 became Minister of Transport in SA and all Sefrican crews were send back to SA I reckon operators like Emirates may be grounded! Are they not called the SAAF old boys club?
As for the quacks, the last one we got back from Canada was convicted of rape across there (even was on TV - Medical Detectives)...no wonder we got him back. He obviously belongs in SA...
As for the quacks, the last one we got back from Canada was convicted of rape across there (even was on TV - Medical Detectives)...no wonder we got him back. He obviously belongs in SA...
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My pennies worth....
To fly a South African Reg. A/C one needs a SACAA License or validation, but no work permit as long as you dont fly in SA. To Fly a N-Reg or JAA Aircraft I suppose you have to have the same. Can I validate my SACAA License for FAA or JAA in order to fly those outside the confines of the US or Europe? Or do I have to rewrite and re-test for those licenses. And If I did would I have to have to get a green card/workpermit to fly for a living there.
The question is there resiprocity.
Why recognise their FAA and JAA issued licenses if they dont recognise SACAA Licenses?
Just asking?
The question is there resiprocity.
Why recognise their FAA and JAA issued licenses if they dont recognise SACAA Licenses?
Just asking?
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I agree with some aspects of what KB14 is saying.
We must ensure some ways of keeping young pilots coming into the market for a career.
The operators are too eager to take outside pilots and are forgetting our local guys. Everybody always say you must get x-amount of hours but nobody gives you the oppertunity to get those hours.
Young pilots with 300hrs and less are left behind with no oppertunity. The companies must ensure that there is a constant flow of young pilots coming into aviation.
The pay in Africa dropped quite a bit in the last few years. Some pilots are flying for a 1000 USD/month. With that money they must survive and pay their license back.
KB 14 :What is your company doing for young pilots?
Hopefully somebody will start a program where these youngsters can be helped.
We must ensure some ways of keeping young pilots coming into the market for a career.
The operators are too eager to take outside pilots and are forgetting our local guys. Everybody always say you must get x-amount of hours but nobody gives you the oppertunity to get those hours.
Young pilots with 300hrs and less are left behind with no oppertunity. The companies must ensure that there is a constant flow of young pilots coming into aviation.
The pay in Africa dropped quite a bit in the last few years. Some pilots are flying for a 1000 USD/month. With that money they must survive and pay their license back.
KB 14 :What is your company doing for young pilots?
Hopefully somebody will start a program where these youngsters can be helped.
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Bleedvalve,
You're dead right, but (and I'm not saying I agree with it), the same situation exists almost everywhere. Which company trains their own pilots anywhere these days ? That would reduce the profit margin !!
There will come a time when the gap (which will exist because the companies will realise and start training when it's too late) between the experienced, employable (and expensive) pilots and the self motivaved ones will be too large and there will be a shortfall.
Mark my words !!
You're dead right, but (and I'm not saying I agree with it), the same situation exists almost everywhere. Which company trains their own pilots anywhere these days ? That would reduce the profit margin !!
There will come a time when the gap (which will exist because the companies will realise and start training when it's too late) between the experienced, employable (and expensive) pilots and the self motivaved ones will be too large and there will be a shortfall.
Mark my words !!
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I would just love to know what the actual conversion percentage (in terms of students who complete com, and actually go on to become proffesional pilots) of the numerous flight schools in SOuth Africa are. If one goes and looks at the number of students in comm training, and the amount of jobs available for brand new sandbags....I dont think we'll be surprised to see a rather lopsided equation. So what happens to all those guys and girls? So in actual fact, flight training operators are selling the emperor's invisible clothes....good business!!
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wait a minute !!!
KB14,
Why don't you start your own airline and
move to Cuba!! They will scratch your back while you scratch theirs 
Lets all look at our career as a noble proffession with no limitations. Of course , the best credentials alwayz win.
Why don't you start your own airline and
move to Cuba!! They will scratch your back while you scratch theirs Lets all look at our career as a noble proffession with no limitations. Of course , the best credentials alwayz win.
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Young pilots with 300 hours or less having difficulty finding their first job ?...WOW...I'm shocked...shocked d'you hear ??
Can this be happening anywhere else in the world...???? Surely not !
Can this be happening anywhere else in the world...???? Surely not !
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shame, well here's a funny to illustrate that sometimes, those little pilots get their own back......heard it thru the grapevine, so dunno how true it is, still:
youngster in Windhoek working for one of the small companies, enquires at one of the bigger companies re what the future job prospects are looking like. Present employer finds out and fires him!
Not to be outdone ,the intrepid youngster takes said-previous employer to court and sues for 80 000 smackaroos!
haha, vat so katvis!
youngster in Windhoek working for one of the small companies, enquires at one of the bigger companies re what the future job prospects are looking like. Present employer finds out and fires him!
Not to be outdone ,the intrepid youngster takes said-previous employer to court and sues for 80 000 smackaroos!
haha, vat so katvis!
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This problem is obviously worthy of closer inspection and the first step should be to conduct a survey amongst South African pilots....we can have a questionair printed up which could then be sent out to them in:
Kenya, Botswana, Tanzania, The Congo, Nigeria, Namibia, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malasia, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand,The UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Europe, The USA and Canada....
you know...we could be on to something here.....
Kenya, Botswana, Tanzania, The Congo, Nigeria, Namibia, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malasia, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand,The UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Europe, The USA and Canada....
you know...we could be on to something here.....
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Skaz
It's happened before, it'll happen again. The usual move is to apply pressure from within and make the situation untenable to force the person out.
As for low time guys without jobs, it happens like that all over. Reserving jobs will only damage future prospects in the outside market and is nothing but a short term measure. The AIC just pointed out by the SACAA is a short term step but will backfire if it's implemented. It basically says only SA citizens/passport holders are to be issued with a SA licence.
How many flying schools will have their business curtailed by this step? Young Comms want to be an instructor? Sorry! No need, as we don't get that many students here......
It's happened before, it'll happen again. The usual move is to apply pressure from within and make the situation untenable to force the person out.
As for low time guys without jobs, it happens like that all over. Reserving jobs will only damage future prospects in the outside market and is nothing but a short term measure. The AIC just pointed out by the SACAA is a short term step but will backfire if it's implemented. It basically says only SA citizens/passport holders are to be issued with a SA licence.
How many flying schools will have their business curtailed by this step? Young Comms want to be an instructor? Sorry! No need, as we don't get that many students here......
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if a person from another country comes to sa, and pays to do the training here, ie. cpl/atpl/ir/me, should that country not allow him/her to work for a south african company outside the borders of sa?
i agree that each country should protect their own pilots within their borders.
i have done both the sa licence and european one and in my personal opinion there are many more pilots in sa who have had their parents just fork out the money for training straight after they leave school, and just due to the cost of training in europe it is failry uncommon to hear of such stories, although obviously there are...but my point being, that maybe some investigation should be done by both parents and potential 'wannabes' with regards to how the industry works and what the realistic chance of getting a job with 200 hours is...
perhaps the sa caa should put a yearly quota on how many people can train, obviously flight schools would be against such a scheme, but it may reduce the heartache of many, and keep $1000 a month jobs to a minimum.
i agree that each country should protect their own pilots within their borders.
i have done both the sa licence and european one and in my personal opinion there are many more pilots in sa who have had their parents just fork out the money for training straight after they leave school, and just due to the cost of training in europe it is failry uncommon to hear of such stories, although obviously there are...but my point being, that maybe some investigation should be done by both parents and potential 'wannabes' with regards to how the industry works and what the realistic chance of getting a job with 200 hours is...
perhaps the sa caa should put a yearly quota on how many people can train, obviously flight schools would be against such a scheme, but it may reduce the heartache of many, and keep $1000 a month jobs to a minimum.
