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Oh I am so sad..........well BOO F..en HOO!
Personally I am glad to see the go. Not the crew. Those guys were just trying to earn an honest days wage. As for the company itself well I for one will not miss them. There business ethics were shocking, they treated thier crew like rubbish especially if they happened to resign for what ever reason. Thier maitenance was a joke and for those of you who want argue this point in particular I saw it in person so don't even bother saying anything.
I just hope the crew that have been affected by the closing of this so called aviation company will get on with thier careers somewhere else. Believe me you are better off with out Rossair around.
Have A GREAT
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I just hope the crew that have been affected by the closing of this so called aviation company will get on with thier careers somewhere else. Believe me you are better off with out Rossair around.
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And how long ago was it that they rejected your job application? Or were you one of those that "happened to resign for what ever reason"?
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Rossair launched the aviation careers of hundreds of people...and that was down to the company, not the pilots already employed there.
Many people all over the work owe thanks to Sej, Ian, Don, Bruce J and, yes, even Eddie himself.
Notwithstanding the views of FA and others like him, who will always believe that a company is made by its employees, not a combination of employees and management, Rossair will be sorely missed by its employees, management, clients and service providers alike.
Note to Moderator: any chance of including an auto spellerchecker...FA needs the help.
Rossair launched the aviation careers of hundreds of people...and that was down to the company, not the pilots already employed there.
Many people all over the work owe thanks to Sej, Ian, Don, Bruce J and, yes, even Eddie himself.
Notwithstanding the views of FA and others like him, who will always believe that a company is made by its employees, not a combination of employees and management, Rossair will be sorely missed by its employees, management, clients and service providers alike.
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I Agree Sandiron, lets not forget Shirley. Lots of people got there start in "Charter" and whatever the feelings between contracts and charter. I still am proud to have been a Rossair guy, to date I am yet to work in such a close knit team
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Howzit Haggis, how is Canada? besides being cold
Sandiron,
yes I,m also thankfull to those people you mentioned , however you can have 40 new a/c and lots of clever managers but if you dont have pilots and engineers , you are not going anywhere .
My point is that , it,s the people out there sweating that are the pillars of the company.
Rossair did not launch my career, however they did a lot to improve it
Sandiron,
yes I,m also thankfull to those people you mentioned , however you can have 40 new a/c and lots of clever managers but if you dont have pilots and engineers , you are not going anywhere .
My point is that , it,s the people out there sweating that are the pillars of the company.
Rossair did not launch my career, however they did a lot to improve it
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RIP Rossair
It is very sad that Rossair has finally come to an end,my time at Rossair had to be without doubt the best time I've ever had in my life,I'm not refering to the management or rumours that went with the job,but rather the different countries I visited and the incredible individuals I had the honour and oppurtunity to fly and live with.Not a day goes by without someone or something triggering a memory or thought of "the good old days".To the pilots now without work,be proud to have been part of an awesome legacy,and I'm sure I speak on behalf of all the "old boys" when I say anyone with Rossair on their CV will always receive 120% effort to help you out.The crew at Rossair must be proud of the assistance and impact they made to people's lives,be it flying POW's out of Baghdad or med
icine in Angola etc. you made history many times.
To all the incredible contract parties,I miss those the most......although Rossair the company is now over the name will be remebered for a long long time to come!!!
R.I.P Rossair thanks for the memories
icine in Angola etc. you made history many times.
To all the incredible contract parties,I miss those the most......although Rossair the company is now over the name will be remebered for a long long time to come!!!
R.I.P Rossair thanks for the memories
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No helicopter only fixed wings.It is a pitty that the maintenance teams are slummed as it was not at such low standards and surely a pure indication of how much funds had been misdirected.
Hopefully the investors will investigate some of the rumours of bonusses paid to some of the management.The fact that funds had been made available by a financial director to issue a bonus which had his own name as beneficiary,still amases me.I wonder whether the previous Workshop will be brought to justice for selling of assets.I may be mistaken,the law may have changed,when you are in any directorship you are pardened for theft and lies?
Yes, Rossair had not started many of our careers,it offered many of us growth,training and security.These are the reasons why we are more marketable,that is if you as a person developed and grown equally.
To slump certain departments as with this company shows that the required maturity level has not been reached.Those who have not earned the respect of their colleages should be singled out as the trust was awarded them and they have abused it.
Similar to the marketing team.
It is a pitty that S M did not have the full support to set Rossair straight as she had the ability.
Once a proud Rossair employee
Hopefully the investors will investigate some of the rumours of bonusses paid to some of the management.The fact that funds had been made available by a financial director to issue a bonus which had his own name as beneficiary,still amases me.I wonder whether the previous Workshop will be brought to justice for selling of assets.I may be mistaken,the law may have changed,when you are in any directorship you are pardened for theft and lies?
Yes, Rossair had not started many of our careers,it offered many of us growth,training and security.These are the reasons why we are more marketable,that is if you as a person developed and grown equally.
To slump certain departments as with this company shows that the required maturity level has not been reached.Those who have not earned the respect of their colleages should be singled out as the trust was awarded them and they have abused it.
Similar to the marketing team.
It is a pitty that S M did not have the full support to set Rossair straight as she had the ability.
Once a proud Rossair employee
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You right traveltech,
I wonder what happened to the very expensive guillotene that was once owned by then Rossair Avionics? and the ATR jacks that were going to be sold to a company that now operates 4 ATR,s something about a Rossair manager requesting a cash cheque
for the payment of the jacks
I wonder what happened to the very expensive guillotene that was once owned by then Rossair Avionics? and the ATR jacks that were going to be sold to a company that now operates 4 ATR,s something about a Rossair manager requesting a cash cheque
for the payment of the jacks
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It seems that almost all the staff have found employment.This hopefully had been an eyeopener to most of the very loyal staff,ones that have been promised employment and security by misleading captains of sinking ships and a boat-in particular a certain person who had referred to personnel that had the foresight in seeking security,as rats abandoning ship-wonder who the rats are-should have been more supportive-fortunately some accounting staff had also been promised security.Now we all know whom to trust in the future.
Good luck to those who earned respect in the industry,hope to see you arround at some stage.
I'm sure truth will prevail-the liquidation is a process-they may even follow on the lap-tops and the rest that left with management.
On a seriuos note-in the liquidation process,is any of the bills,invoices stalled untill settlements are made.I believe a couple of companies and individuals are owed a fortune?Will they be expected to pay their bills before they will be considered for claims?
Good luck to those who earned respect in the industry,hope to see you arround at some stage.
I'm sure truth will prevail-the liquidation is a process-they may even follow on the lap-tops and the rest that left with management.
On a seriuos note-in the liquidation process,is any of the bills,invoices stalled untill settlements are made.I believe a couple of companies and individuals are owed a fortune?Will they be expected to pay their bills before they will be considered for claims?
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Anyone know whatsahappenin with the ppl that are still owed money
Heard that they gotta wait for the banks to get their share first doubt there will be much left for the guys that slogged their guts out
Heard that they gotta wait for the banks to get their share first doubt there will be much left for the guys that slogged their guts out
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Under SA liquidation law, all outstanding monies owed to employees, in the event of a liquidation, have to be fully paid up to the staff before any of the creditors ie the banks, are alowed to get there grubby hands on any monies.
Given that alot of pilots and engineers had backlogs of a few thousand dollars worth of S & T's at the time of liquidation, there will be bollocks-all for the banks by the time the accountants have it all sorted out.
Given that alot of pilots and engineers had backlogs of a few thousand dollars worth of S & T's at the time of liquidation, there will be bollocks-all for the banks by the time the accountants have it all sorted out.
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I concur...
Max Rated is right, all the employees stand first in line. If there isnt enough, they will get a share of evry rand owed to them. Good luck guys and gals, vasbyt, it might take up to 2 years, to sort all the wrinkles ouut.
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Sorry, but i believe the banks are first in line for payment. they might own it, but there is a lot of money outstanding on the aircrafts, so the banks will be expecting payment first.
Makes me the hell in
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To add to the shame of the Rossair debacle.
Ziggy is now leading an ex-Rossair team, attempting to strip and steal components off a stranded Dodson DC3 up here. Dodson are evidently owed so much money from Rossair that they aren't even able to afford to repossess their aircraft, or prevent the theft!
Ziggy is now leading an ex-Rossair team, attempting to strip and steal components off a stranded Dodson DC3 up here. Dodson are evidently owed so much money from Rossair that they aren't even able to afford to repossess their aircraft, or prevent the theft!
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Smokey engine,
just checked the legalities of this , under the fidiciary laws of the republic, all staff owed money are definately first in line before any creditors , even if they are banks, in addition if there are any staff still owed money they would be well entitled to sue any or all of the directors in there personal capacities for 'negligent trading'. Considering the spate of new luxury car splurges that took place amongst the directorship of Rossair a month before the liquidation happend one would imagine that any staff legal action brought against said directors would go in with more than a sporting chance.
Wouldnt this be an interesting one for the ALPA legal team to get involved with ?
just checked the legalities of this , under the fidiciary laws of the republic, all staff owed money are definately first in line before any creditors , even if they are banks, in addition if there are any staff still owed money they would be well entitled to sue any or all of the directors in there personal capacities for 'negligent trading'. Considering the spate of new luxury car splurges that took place amongst the directorship of Rossair a month before the liquidation happend one would imagine that any staff legal action brought against said directors would go in with more than a sporting chance.
Wouldnt this be an interesting one for the ALPA legal team to get involved with ?
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Pilfering the cutlery as the ship went down
Manny you are correct,
I am reliably informed that the 3 muskateers paid themselves handsome christmas bonuses in the region of R200 000 each , in December.
Additionally one of them bought a Porche and another a top of the range Merc, for christmas.
At the same time the payment to the company pension fund was defaulted on ( gee I wonder why there was no money ?), all this while the loyal staff continued to work faithfully in the field while being owed huge backlogged S & T payments. some boys and girls are owed in excess of 6000 U$.
The fact that the company ( directorship) actually sent staff back into the field while knowing that they would not be able to pay them (there already was no money , the pension fund was even defaulted on), is excellent grounds for staff to sue for negligent trading.
My sources inside the bank(s) inform me that the bankers who lent the money are now in truly serious trouble and it would not supprise me if the only way to clear their names in this mess is to get the Rossair directors criminally convicted. The banks certainly wont take a R300 million buck kick in the b@lls, lying down, and anyway legal fees are tax deductable so it wont cost the banks a thing to extract some sort of retribution.
Keep watching for the next exciting episode ...........
I am reliably informed that the 3 muskateers paid themselves handsome christmas bonuses in the region of R200 000 each , in December.
Additionally one of them bought a Porche and another a top of the range Merc, for christmas.
At the same time the payment to the company pension fund was defaulted on ( gee I wonder why there was no money ?), all this while the loyal staff continued to work faithfully in the field while being owed huge backlogged S & T payments. some boys and girls are owed in excess of 6000 U$.
The fact that the company ( directorship) actually sent staff back into the field while knowing that they would not be able to pay them (there already was no money , the pension fund was even defaulted on), is excellent grounds for staff to sue for negligent trading.
My sources inside the bank(s) inform me that the bankers who lent the money are now in truly serious trouble and it would not supprise me if the only way to clear their names in this mess is to get the Rossair directors criminally convicted. The banks certainly wont take a R300 million buck kick in the b@lls, lying down, and anyway legal fees are tax deductable so it wont cost the banks a thing to extract some sort of retribution.
Keep watching for the next exciting episode ...........
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Could anyone out there please tell me how the banks get to re-finance aircraft that have been fully paid for without raising an eyebrow?
Maxrated, I heard R300,000 each , whatever, it,s a lot of dosh:
The decision to sink the ship was made in, if my mind serves me correctly, 2001
Maxrated, I heard R300,000 each , whatever, it,s a lot of dosh:
The decision to sink the ship was made in, if my mind serves me correctly, 2001
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Refinance..
If its paid it can be used as collateral. Hence money can be borrowed against it. If you organise this finance when the exchange rate is R10 for every dollar, on dollar based collateral, a lot of RRRR's can be had. How ever if the exchange rate deem to change, the lots and lots of RRRR's will cost you lots and lots of $$$$'s times the exchange rate. Even more so if all your expenses is in RRRR's like salaries, and spares etc.
Manny I think thats how it works, My sis is a banker, and tried to explain it to me, but I failed Book Keeping in std 7 That was before Accountency.(some day's I think I failed spelling as well) South coast says, he knows it for a fact.The spelling bit!
Manny I think thats how it works, My sis is a banker, and tried to explain it to me, but I failed Book Keeping in std 7 That was before Accountency.(some day's I think I failed spelling as well) South coast says, he knows it for a fact.The spelling bit!