c-172 ditched in tz
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hey there all u nduguz...
heard this yesterday,c-172 belonging to tropical air was from dar to zanzibar,had engine problems about 8nm from the threshhold and had to ditch in the indian ocean..last heard the passengers and pilot had been rescued by nearby fishermen..
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heard this yesterday,c-172 belonging to tropical air was from dar to zanzibar,had engine problems about 8nm from the threshhold and had to ditch in the indian ocean..last heard the passengers and pilot had been rescued by nearby fishermen..
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Now this is an unfortunate incident, but many in local aviation circles will not be suprised that Tropical Air would have such a mishap.
I hope the outcome is as you say. Was plane piloted by a young Swiss lad by any chance? Are you here G? Well done on the landing, you're a champ!
I left TZ only a few days ago, but this incident really hits home. As some of you know, I had some issues with a/c maintenance as well while flying there. Soemthing needs to be done before lives are lost because of neglect.
406pilot, keep us posted on the details!!
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I hope the outcome is as you say. Was plane piloted by a young Swiss lad by any chance? Are you here G? Well done on the landing, you're a champ!
I left TZ only a few days ago, but this incident really hits home. As some of you know, I had some issues with a/c maintenance as well while flying there. Soemthing needs to be done before lives are lost because of neglect.
406pilot, keep us posted on the details!!
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hi socal ,,
howzit mate yeah it was the same swiss guy u knew,buddy
initially he was feared dead,but i only got news today that he was alive and
kicking,well all the best to him,hope he will fly something decent next
hey socal can u kindly check ur pm buddy.
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howzit mate yeah it was the same swiss guy u knew,buddy
initially he was feared dead,but i only got news today that he was alive and
kicking,well all the best to him,hope he will fly something decent next
hey socal can u kindly check ur pm buddy.
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406pilot, Thanks for the info, got your pm yesterday too. Good to hear the driver and his pax are ok on this one. Dude, I would have not liked flying that c172 over the water.
Socal 60!!! Alleluia!! Welcome back in the land of the Free, ha, ha!! Good to read you man! Pole for everything, hope to see you on my next trip to the West Coast. Hope the search for a left-seat is going well. Gosh, can you believe that, 2 engine failure out of HTAR since you left. Maintenance, maintenance...
Socal 60!!! Alleluia!! Welcome back in the land of the Free, ha, ha!! Good to read you man! Pole for everything, hope to see you on my next trip to the West Coast. Hope the search for a left-seat is going well. Gosh, can you believe that, 2 engine failure out of HTAR since you left. Maintenance, maintenance...
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Something needs to be done!!!
Gidday Guys,
I think there was a tense moment for everyone there!!! I don't know the Pilot but most of my mates that fly out of Dar and ZNZ do.
The accident that occured could I believe have been well and truely avoided provided that the aircraft in question was maintained properly.
Unfortunately as this is Tropical Air we are talking about and it is no secret everyone who flys out of Dar and Zanzibar knows it as well the aircraft in question was not properly maintained. The owner/operator appears to have no regard for his employee's and fare paying passengers lifes!!!! Thus showing complete disregard for human life all in the name of greed.
Something needs to be done!!! This potential Killer should be stopped before he lets anyone else get back into one of his Flying Coffins.
Never the less thats just my opinion!!!
Anyway to the Pilot that did an absolutely fantastic job!!! Well Done Mate!!! Any Landing that you Can Swim Away from is a good one!!!! If I were you I would't Swim Back to that looser operation for more!!!!
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I think there was a tense moment for everyone there!!! I don't know the Pilot but most of my mates that fly out of Dar and ZNZ do.
The accident that occured could I believe have been well and truely avoided provided that the aircraft in question was maintained properly.
Unfortunately as this is Tropical Air we are talking about and it is no secret everyone who flys out of Dar and Zanzibar knows it as well the aircraft in question was not properly maintained. The owner/operator appears to have no regard for his employee's and fare paying passengers lifes!!!! Thus showing complete disregard for human life all in the name of greed.
Something needs to be done!!! This potential Killer should be stopped before he lets anyone else get back into one of his Flying Coffins.
Never the less thats just my opinion!!!
Anyway to the Pilot that did an absolutely fantastic job!!! Well Done Mate!!! Any Landing that you Can Swim Away from is a good one!!!! If I were you I would't Swim Back to that looser operation for more!!!!
Pete
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A question purely out of ignorance ...
No piston (and turbine) single engines allowed to operate in SL over land or sea. Due to "unhospitable terrain" (jungle).
Yes might think it 's crazy ..
Uhmmm howcome a single piston job operates over the SEA ???
No piston (and turbine) single engines allowed to operate in SL over land or sea. Due to "unhospitable terrain" (jungle).
Yes might think it 's crazy ..
Uhmmm howcome a single piston job operates over the SEA ???
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hi there gunship,
very interesting question u got there,
just to tell u more info zanzibar is 39.8nm from dar and the total air distance over sea is approximately 20-25nm...most VFR traffic departing dar are restricted to maintain 1500'amsl until reaching the dar zone boundary which is 15nm frm dv...
Many a time i have crossed that channel in a 206 thinking,how long was God gonna let me push my luck..
I guess it takes a wake up call like this one for guys to realise wht needs to be done..
keep it up there fellows...
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very interesting question u got there,
just to tell u more info zanzibar is 39.8nm from dar and the total air distance over sea is approximately 20-25nm...most VFR traffic departing dar are restricted to maintain 1500'amsl until reaching the dar zone boundary which is 15nm frm dv...
Many a time i have crossed that channel in a 206 thinking,how long was God gonna let me push my luck..
I guess it takes a wake up call like this one for guys to realise wht needs to be done..
keep it up there fellows...
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Cheers 406,
I honestly do not want to get into a barney but I have flown that route in a Citation on a few occasions and I honeslty think it is crazy to even think of crossing that part in a single, 20 plus year old prop ... yes the ground is also hard .. but you do not drown there afterwards.
We cross the Sierra Leonean river in a single jet engine heli (9 km) at 2 000 vt, rescue dinghy for 8 people plus life vests on as we do not have floats.
On a bad vis day we cross at a 4 km mark and we have low tide sand banks to aim for ..
Still think it is crazy - any which way I look at it !
Sad to hear about serviceability problems after the accident
I honestly do not want to get into a barney but I have flown that route in a Citation on a few occasions and I honeslty think it is crazy to even think of crossing that part in a single, 20 plus year old prop ... yes the ground is also hard .. but you do not drown there afterwards.
We cross the Sierra Leonean river in a single jet engine heli (9 km) at 2 000 vt, rescue dinghy for 8 people plus life vests on as we do not have floats.
On a bad vis day we cross at a 4 km mark and we have low tide sand banks to aim for ..
Still think it is crazy - any which way I look at it !
Sad to hear about serviceability problems after the accident
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sep over water
sorry just wanted to mention : 1909 , crossing the english channel on a bleriot XI ,
1913:crossing the med on a morane
1927:crossing the atlantic on a Ryan NYP
!!!! nothing wrong about flying over water SEP . JUst has to be the right aircraft , taken care off , looked after , respected ....
just me thoughts mates .
good night
1913:crossing the med on a morane
1927:crossing the atlantic on a Ryan NYP
!!!! nothing wrong about flying over water SEP . JUst has to be the right aircraft , taken care off , looked after , respected ....
just me thoughts mates .
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This Summer I did a leg of 525 nm in a C210 over the Atlantic Ocean and another one of 440 nm over the Caraibe, going direct from Trinidad to St Croix. As you say Pete7-7, not a question of S-E ops, just need to have a safe plane.
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hey pete77/shenzi
guys ur not missing the point here or atleast thats wht i think...gunship was talking about the legal requirement of over water single engine ops..There are some requirement that need to be met, like etops for twin jets or in this safe case gliding distance.
Now if my knowledge serves me right i think most single cessna's glide 1nm/1500' lost ...so there u have it
keep it up there fellow,
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ps:hey pete aviation has come a long way since 1909 bro and that flight was clearly a record attempt not an everyday event...
hey shenzi how many times did the thought of having an engine failure over water crosss ur mind during that flight? ????? now u know wht i mean
guys ur not missing the point here or atleast thats wht i think...gunship was talking about the legal requirement of over water single engine ops..There are some requirement that need to be met, like etops for twin jets or in this safe case gliding distance.
Now if my knowledge serves me right i think most single cessna's glide 1nm/1500' lost ...so there u have it
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ps:hey pete aviation has come a long way since 1909 bro and that flight was clearly a record attempt not an everyday event...
hey shenzi how many times did the thought of having an engine failure over water crosss ur mind during that flight? ????? now u know wht i mean
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As long as you stay within glide dist from land I think this crossing can be safely negotiated. Lowest I have ever done it is 3500 ft.
406, as for ATC restricting the level to 1500. Well thats just cr@P, as the PIC you can just say "Negative, we want 5500" or whatever you think is safe. At least you dont have a problem in a 406 or evena B732 for instance
Shenzi, howzit? As for your legs over water, they would have been private ops. Depending on rego, you would have needed life jackets and a liferaft, with min equipment requirements for the raft. And constant radio coverage HF and ELT also an ELT on the raft. Lots of requirements to give you the best chance of surviving in the event of a ditching.
Lets face it, these guys are so lucky to be alive. First the pilot did a great job to put it down nicely, so as to alow all to get out. From then on the were just plain lucky. Warm water, avoided sharks, didnt get run over by a ferry, calm seas. Let me tell you G we were drinking to your memory dude. Glad your still around.
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406, as for ATC restricting the level to 1500. Well thats just cr@P, as the PIC you can just say "Negative, we want 5500" or whatever you think is safe. At least you dont have a problem in a 406 or evena B732 for instance
Shenzi, howzit? As for your legs over water, they would have been private ops. Depending on rego, you would have needed life jackets and a liferaft, with min equipment requirements for the raft. And constant radio coverage HF and ELT also an ELT on the raft. Lots of requirements to give you the best chance of surviving in the event of a ditching.
Lets face it, these guys are so lucky to be alive. First the pilot did a great job to put it down nicely, so as to alow all to get out. From then on the were just plain lucky. Warm water, avoided sharks, didnt get run over by a ferry, calm seas. Let me tell you G we were drinking to your memory dude. Glad your still around.
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social60. thanx for the compliment (young swiss lad) since i am actually quite an old fart! will go home to see my folks, get health insurance and an elt!!!
the ditching itself went very well due to calm seas, flooded the cabin, got out, swam(never liked to swim!), watched the planes flying past, the boats searching, swam and swam and swam until they picked us up.
tanzanian skies will be safe for the next couple of weeks until i am back.
since my specs a lying on the ocean floor it's back to ray-bans. so listen and watch out when you here 5H-SEA on the radio! what a great callsign too. g
the ditching itself went very well due to calm seas, flooded the cabin, got out, swam(never liked to swim!), watched the planes flying past, the boats searching, swam and swam and swam until they picked us up.
tanzanian skies will be safe for the next couple of weeks until i am back.
since my specs a lying on the ocean floor it's back to ray-bans. so listen and watch out when you here 5H-SEA on the radio! what a great callsign too. g
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Hey Swoz,
Good Job buddy, we have all gone through the single cessna's at one time of our lives, and believe me none of us has come out without an incident or accident be a private pilot or a commercial,
its a pity we have to go through this to get somewhere eventually ( the hard truth) anyway very well done Keep it up !
I think P77 is still stuck in the early 20th century, or is it the sound of UVP engines that drives the brain cells like that
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Good Job buddy, we have all gone through the single cessna's at one time of our lives, and believe me none of us has come out without an incident or accident be a private pilot or a commercial,
its a pity we have to go through this to get somewhere eventually ( the hard truth) anyway very well done Keep it up !
I think P77 is still stuck in the early 20th century, or is it the sound of UVP engines that drives the brain cells like that
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Tx guys,
I understand there are some brave one's out there. Well done swoz, but I would seriously question myself doing it again if I where you. It's not worth it making someone richer and flying like a circus (from one old , bold pilot to another)
Yeah I am talking more of the legal requirements. A friend did a crossing in a (twin) Senecca and it was hughe legal requirements.
If it happens again .,.. and the pilot / pax did not survive .. we all lie on PPRUNE an say what a great pilot he / she was ...
Fly SAFE out there .. if you make yourself MUCH richer - well maybe .. for someone else ... shelve it
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I understand there are some brave one's out there. Well done swoz, but I would seriously question myself doing it again if I where you. It's not worth it making someone richer and flying like a circus (from one old , bold pilot to another)
Yeah I am talking more of the legal requirements. A friend did a crossing in a (twin) Senecca and it was hughe legal requirements.
If it happens again .,.. and the pilot / pax did not survive .. we all lie on PPRUNE an say what a great pilot he / she was ...
Fly SAFE out there .. if you make yourself MUCH richer - well maybe .. for someone else ... shelve it
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hey there swoz...buddy let me tell u an interesting story,
on the evening of your accident i got the news from someone,but i was so upset to actually put it on pprune so i pm'd it to shenzi rubani...but was absolutely delighted when i heard u were rescued at sea so i decided to put it on pprune...well we probably havent met and stuff like that.. but do us all a big favour and make sure that i dont have to make another forum called "206 ditched in tz" for you,
keep it up there fellows,
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ps:i once saw a pilot working for tropical meditating in the woods could that be you?
on the evening of your accident i got the news from someone,but i was so upset to actually put it on pprune so i pm'd it to shenzi rubani...but was absolutely delighted when i heard u were rescued at sea so i decided to put it on pprune...well we probably havent met and stuff like that.. but do us all a big favour and make sure that i dont have to make another forum called "206 ditched in tz" for you,
keep it up there fellows,
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ps:i once saw a pilot working for tropical meditating in the woods could that be you?
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Hey 406pilot, I remember, I also saw that rubani meditating in the parking lot at HTDA.
On those legs, I tell you Dude, I did **** myself a lot and looked for boats and oil rigs. I think I went for about an hour and a half without seeing anything at all down there, just heavy ocean and huge CBs ahead. A fun flight indeed, after the beer has made its effect.
Helldog, what's up dude, hope you're keeping well and flying a lot; you are absolutely right, it was a private ops and we had to have raft, flotation devices, survival kit, etc...
SWOZ!!!
My congrats man! Well done for the ditching, always thought during those flights how the plane would handle on hitting the water. Did you stall it to enter smooth? A friend of mine hit the water with a C152 - his student stalled the plane on take-off from Everglades in Fl, 30 ft above the water. The C152 wnet on the roof and sunk like a fat cow. He managed to get them both out by breaking the windshield with his feet.
I always had the impression (wrong?) that it was better to ditch with a low wing than a high wing.
Hey, sorry, I am diverting from the point here: It is great to see a pilot and his pax coming out of something like this. Great job!!
On those legs, I tell you Dude, I did **** myself a lot and looked for boats and oil rigs. I think I went for about an hour and a half without seeing anything at all down there, just heavy ocean and huge CBs ahead. A fun flight indeed, after the beer has made its effect.
Helldog, what's up dude, hope you're keeping well and flying a lot; you are absolutely right, it was a private ops and we had to have raft, flotation devices, survival kit, etc...
SWOZ!!!
My congrats man! Well done for the ditching, always thought during those flights how the plane would handle on hitting the water. Did you stall it to enter smooth? A friend of mine hit the water with a C152 - his student stalled the plane on take-off from Everglades in Fl, 30 ft above the water. The C152 wnet on the roof and sunk like a fat cow. He managed to get them both out by breaking the windshield with his feet. I always had the impression (wrong?) that it was better to ditch with a low wing than a high wing.
Hey, sorry, I am diverting from the point here: It is great to see a pilot and his pax coming out of something like this. Great job!!