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i know that shenzi lakini jp was heard shouting that loud once in smokies dar,so i was thinking if that phrase was any good....it would be hard to me to try the phrase,the tan would give it away...
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sawa sawa dude.
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Hum, Belgian Bia? Ain't that the place that little dude pisses beer and country's fight over him?
As for here, found a place serving up the big brown bottles of Tusker! Je, Shenzibeaver when you gonna drop my name bayeeeetch?
As for here, found a place serving up the big brown bottles of Tusker! Je, Shenzibeaver when you gonna drop my name bayeeeetch?
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Gentlemen,
One of the players on my ice hockey team was a pax on this flt.At the rink last night he was trying to get some answers from me on what chould have happened.I gave him the basic run down on flying light twins .He understands performance ect but I have a few questions myself.What is the field elevation ,temp at time of T/O,why if the pilot closed both throttles is the a/c so far of centerline, what was the gross wt .What kind of reputation does the operator have? My friend is a world wide traveler and I just what to keep him up to speed reference the type of A/C and airlines he maybe flying on.Thanks just post here or use my PPrune email. Jim Wiley
One of the players on my ice hockey team was a pax on this flt.At the rink last night he was trying to get some answers from me on what chould have happened.I gave him the basic run down on flying light twins .He understands performance ect but I have a few questions myself.What is the field elevation ,temp at time of T/O,why if the pilot closed both throttles is the a/c so far of centerline, what was the gross wt .What kind of reputation does the operator have? My friend is a world wide traveler and I just what to keep him up to speed reference the type of A/C and airlines he maybe flying on.Thanks just post here or use my PPrune email. Jim Wiley
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filejw - the operator Regional Air Service, is a very reputable company. It is the Tanzania part of Air Kenya. HTAR is at about 5,000 ft. temps are also very high. There was a 20 gusting 30 kts cross-wind. As you know the aircraft was a Reims-Cessna F406. The plane had 8 or 10 pax if I recall, full tanks, so close to max TOW.
Go back through all the posts in this thread, you'll find enough answers. We don't have more details, but your friend (courageous though, he jumped into a Twotter right after that - hockey dudes!! Hockey rules!) must have the contact details for Regional, he could get more info from them.
Go back through all the posts in this thread, you'll find enough answers. We don't have more details, but your friend (courageous though, he jumped into a Twotter right after that - hockey dudes!! Hockey rules!) must have the contact details for Regional, he could get more info from them.
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Shenzi Beaver,
Whats all the hockey talk? I'm back on the ice after this tour bro! Just like Forseberg, injured during the season, back for the playoffs! Spent the last week bouncing around the turb in the northeast. Maarten is in from HTAR but no word yet? You?
Whats all the hockey talk? I'm back on the ice after this tour bro! Just like Forseberg, injured during the season, back for the playoffs! Spent the last week bouncing around the turb in the northeast. Maarten is in from HTAR but no word yet? You?
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No words from Marteen neither dude. How did last night in NJ ended. did u overnight in Tits-boro? Any news from Danny boy? I got 3 Van driver job postings sent to me. Milwaukee, an hour from home, one in Canada and another one in San Jose. If I hadn't picked up this kazi, I would have try the Milwaukee one. I'll send my CV any way. just to check. We are going to give him some website to check.
What's the deal with NHPA, they agreed to a 24% salary reduction, do u think we gonna get out of the lock-up?
What's the deal with NHPA, they agreed to a 24% salary reduction, do u think we gonna get out of the lock-up?
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Not going to say much here, question to 406.
If you were coming out of Arusha with six pax (I think that was hhis load) Not full fuel (But I dont know how much he had). You wait till at least 91 KIAS to rotate, WAIT on the gear. Can you get her out of there? I know one well know 406 pilot here that says you can.
One final point, if the wind was that strong, would it not be prudant to increase your rotate speed even more than usual? In particullar if it is gusting and a crosswind.
Thoughts
If you were coming out of Arusha with six pax (I think that was hhis load) Not full fuel (But I dont know how much he had). You wait till at least 91 KIAS to rotate, WAIT on the gear. Can you get her out of there? I know one well know 406 pilot here that says you can.
One final point, if the wind was that strong, would it not be prudant to increase your rotate speed even more than usual? In particullar if it is gusting and a crosswind.
Thoughts
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shenzi (both of u) ,
I got DB e-mail adress if u want to forward your infos .Please pm accordingly .
By the way , it's company prox to reject any kind of engine failure below 5000 at HTAR on both the twatter and the 406 .SOP says we have to land within 45 degs of runway centerline and only use the power from live engine to assist with the emergency landing . Why ??? because somebody killed himself at Wilson on a 404 a few years back trying to drag it back (amongst others). The prox is just aimed at minimizing risk of losing more than an engine ...and we all know that 'the well known 406 pilot' is sooo much clever , better and sizzling hot than anybody else on this planet (and I'm sure he'd have a few advises for aliens and their spacecraft handling given the opportunity ...) .
Sorry helldog , just couldn't resist that one
I got DB e-mail adress if u want to forward your infos .Please pm accordingly .
By the way , it's company prox to reject any kind of engine failure below 5000 at HTAR on both the twatter and the 406 .SOP says we have to land within 45 degs of runway centerline and only use the power from live engine to assist with the emergency landing . Why ??? because somebody killed himself at Wilson on a 404 a few years back trying to drag it back (amongst others). The prox is just aimed at minimizing risk of losing more than an engine ...and we all know that 'the well known 406 pilot' is sooo much clever , better and sizzling hot than anybody else on this planet (and I'm sure he'd have a few advises for aliens and their spacecraft handling given the opportunity ...) .
Sorry helldog , just couldn't resist that one
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406pilot, usijali, ninajua wageni ya hapa wanna penda "suing" lakini sidani watajaribu kwa y ajali.
Thanks Perceval for the explanation on company prox. I think that makes them very safe. I prefer having a pilot landing the plane with 1 engine still alive than taking the risk of making it out without knowing what is the reason for the first failure.
Helldog (sorry on that one m8) but that "well known 406 pilot" will always find find a "better" way, will always criticize other pilots (I mean by that not working for him) decision making, and of course he would always get out of any situation better than any other. As it was commented in this forum earlier, the "self declared best pilot in the world". I don't want to go on that one but I have never heard him commenting on an accident without putting the blame on the pilot - and very unfortunately that goes many years back. It was expected that that soo clever pilot, would come up with the best comments and the best solution for that crash. He is still the only one who not only commented that my crash with the giraffe would have been easily avoidable, but on top of that openly commented on the ramp at HTAR that it was "a shame [my] crash resulted in no casualties".
It was so predictable he would comment on Freddy's crash this way. It is so lame! But eh, I guess he can, isn't he just the best pilot on this planet!! 
Perce, merci pour l'email de DB, shenzirubani_HTAR et moi avons son phone number maintenant. Safari njema!
Thanks Perceval for the explanation on company prox. I think that makes them very safe. I prefer having a pilot landing the plane with 1 engine still alive than taking the risk of making it out without knowing what is the reason for the first failure.
Helldog (sorry on that one m8) but that "well known 406 pilot" will always find find a "better" way, will always criticize other pilots (I mean by that not working for him) decision making, and of course he would always get out of any situation better than any other. As it was commented in this forum earlier, the "self declared best pilot in the world". I don't want to go on that one but I have never heard him commenting on an accident without putting the blame on the pilot - and very unfortunately that goes many years back. It was expected that that soo clever pilot, would come up with the best comments and the best solution for that crash. He is still the only one who not only commented that my crash with the giraffe would have been easily avoidable, but on top of that openly commented on the ramp at HTAR that it was "a shame [my] crash resulted in no casualties".
It was so predictable he would comment on Freddy's crash this way. It is so lame! But eh, I guess he can, isn't he just the best pilot on this planet!!
Perce, merci pour l'email de DB, shenzirubani_HTAR et moi avons son phone number maintenant. Safari njema!
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Perceval! You still in Arusha? With Regional? Hows Mama Iris?
Shenzi Beaver.....the NHLPA put in a deal that would give them a 24 or 25% pay cut. True, yes. Sijui sasa.....
Still the season is a bust.
Shenzi Beaver.....the NHLPA put in a deal that would give them a 24 or 25% pay cut. True, yes. Sijui sasa.....
Still the season is a bust.
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just a question:
if it was maintenance related (as was hinted)why don't we rather bash the engineers who seem to be overconvident of the good design eatures of the PT 6 engines, rather than maintaing them to standard....?! (and that includes the overhauls done!)
There have been a rather uncomfortably high number of PT 6 Engine failures in the last year - most of them never make this forum as they have less spectacular endings than this 406.
Given the flying characteristics of the 406 I would be surprised if any experienced 406 driver would try to fly out the a/c with the conditions as described in Arusha (never been there but have some hours on the 406..).
Well done to the pilot !!
Now...about that engineer bashing...!
Correct me if I am wrong but would Vrotate not be 98 kts below 9360lbs ?
if it was maintenance related (as was hinted)why don't we rather bash the engineers who seem to be overconvident of the good design eatures of the PT 6 engines, rather than maintaing them to standard....?! (and that includes the overhauls done!)
There have been a rather uncomfortably high number of PT 6 Engine failures in the last year - most of them never make this forum as they have less spectacular endings than this 406.
Given the flying characteristics of the 406 I would be surprised if any experienced 406 driver would try to fly out the a/c with the conditions as described in Arusha (never been there but have some hours on the 406..).
Well done to the pilot !!
Now...about that engineer bashing...!
Correct me if I am wrong but would Vrotate not be 98 kts below 9360lbs ?
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hmmm time to send in the experts...
All right guys yeah that includes both of you shenzi's and mr.perceval,not forgetting hell dog
first id like to take this oppurtunity to thank all you lad for keeping this forum alive for soo long..
Well first things first,,,lets address the self proclaimed best pilot in the earth issue....although i did say that earlier, i still believe the dude is one good pilot if not the best. how else can he fly for as long as he has without a single accident? before you jump on it and say that he was lucky,id like to tell you that he has had a lot of close calls and he handled it well...just for a fact most of his flying was during the "no gps era" in and out of arusha......so as far as i am concerned i still have a lot of respect for him.
Secondly as i have addressed you guys earlier i would have waited till 95-100 kias before even thinking of rotating...and yes that is very much possible in the 406 at HTAR w/o running out of the runway..and yes helldog i would have tried to fly away,on the single engine if the autofeather had done its work..
Thirdly the pilot in question was the "former" chief pilot of the said company so obviously the s.o.p's were laid down along his flying style...why he is the former and not the current chief pilot is another issue altoghether
like one great guy once said"common sence is not common to all"....wait a minute wasn't that what i used to say??
keep it up there fellows...
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first id like to take this oppurtunity to thank all you lad for keeping this forum alive for soo long..
Well first things first,,,lets address the self proclaimed best pilot in the earth issue....although i did say that earlier, i still believe the dude is one good pilot if not the best. how else can he fly for as long as he has without a single accident? before you jump on it and say that he was lucky,id like to tell you that he has had a lot of close calls and he handled it well...just for a fact most of his flying was during the "no gps era" in and out of arusha......so as far as i am concerned i still have a lot of respect for him.
Secondly as i have addressed you guys earlier i would have waited till 95-100 kias before even thinking of rotating...and yes that is very much possible in the 406 at HTAR w/o running out of the runway..and yes helldog i would have tried to fly away,on the single engine if the autofeather had done its work..
Thirdly the pilot in question was the "former" chief pilot of the said company so obviously the s.o.p's were laid down along his flying style...why he is the former and not the current chief pilot is another issue altoghether
like one great guy once said"common sence is not common to all"....wait a minute wasn't that what i used to say??
keep it up there fellows...
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