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Has anybody seen the new add in the paper from Nationwide ?
Apparently they are recruiting at the moment, all you need is R150 000,00 for the conversion and youre in ?
Thought they axed that idea after the last "pay your way and youre in " intake, guys had the money but not the experience ?
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Apparently they are recruiting at the moment, all you need is R150 000,00 for the conversion and youre in ?
Thought they axed that idea after the last "pay your way and youre in " intake, guys had the money but not the experience ?
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Do you have web address of nationwide
Dear zoltan I am living in The Netherlands and I am holder of:
JAA ATPL FROZEN,CPL,TWINRATING,MCC,737-800 TYPE-RATING.
Could you give me more details about the recruitment at Nationwide and the addresses such as web address.All information is welcome.Allready thanks guys for youre response.
JAA ATPL FROZEN,CPL,TWINRATING,MCC,737-800 TYPE-RATING.
Could you give me more details about the recruitment at Nationwide and the addresses such as web address.All information is welcome.Allready thanks guys for youre response.
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Sounds a bit steep for a 73 conversion, or might i be wrong?
Does anyone have further info regarding this, re hour requirements, salaries and what it's like working for these guys and most important of all, whether you definitely get in after shelling out that obsene amount of cash..... not that i'd consider doing that though, just a general wondering?
Does anyone have further info regarding this, re hour requirements, salaries and what it's like working for these guys and most important of all, whether you definitely get in after shelling out that obsene amount of cash..... not that i'd consider doing that though, just a general wondering?
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R150 000,00 does seem a bit steep, but looking at the ATR conversion that will cost you R100 000,00 (according to another post) it puts it in perspective ? Only dirrence is that you would a be earning enough money at Solenta to be able to make the monthly payment on your loan and still have a little left over to live with....
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Sorry, I cant tell you what the requirements are, havent seen the advert myself.
Would imagine that you would have to do an SA validation for your 737 type rating, and obviously they will make you pay for it yourself... They operate 737-200`s and apparenly getting some later models, cant say which, but definately not -800`s..
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Sorry, I cant tell you what the requirements are, havent seen the advert myself.
Would imagine that you would have to do an SA validation for your 737 type rating, and obviously they will make you pay for it yourself... They operate 737-200`s and apparenly getting some later models, cant say which, but definately not -800`s..
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Apart from getting the validation as well, i'm pretty sure to qualify for the job , you'll have to get a South African Permanent Residence permit.... unfortunately i don't know how strict the authorities are on this matter. I say this, as i had the same hassle a while back trying to get into an airline that was recruiting.
I don't know what your situation is but give it a thought as they don't mention these things sometimes to the foreign guys.
Good luck anyways.
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Apart from getting the validation as well, i'm pretty sure to qualify for the job , you'll have to get a South African Permanent Residence permit.... unfortunately i don't know how strict the authorities are on this matter. I say this, as i had the same hassle a while back trying to get into an airline that was recruiting.
I don't know what your situation is but give it a thought as they don't mention these things sometimes to the foreign guys.
Good luck anyways.
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Just heard from someone that Nationwide has employed 10 guys who were willing to fork out the 150k needed for the 'fluff' conversion!
Can anyone confirm that this is indeed the case?
Can anyone confirm that this is indeed the case?
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Just to let you all know that Nationwide has not actually employed these guys! simply looking at them nothing written in stone yet... by the way very close to someone who works at nationwide... Super company to work for the CEO is a bit of a chop but the rest of the staff are great to work with. Up and coming company definately has a future.
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Why dont they just let guys sign a training bond ? I`m sure no one would mind bonding themselves for a couple of years flying in their home country after working their arses of in hell holes around the world to gain experience that use to mean something...
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Hey guys.
What you will be reading in my post is not pointed at Nationwide at all, I really like Nationwide, think they are great, but it is aimed at the aviation sector in general asspecially commercial aviation.
Can anyone please tell me what happened to the aviation arena?
Now one needs to pay a sh%t load of money to get a rating on an aircraft that is mostly utilized by airlines just to get a foot in the door of an airline, no guarantee, just one foot...
I'm sure it didn't work like this in the earlier days and I would agree that a training bond is the way to go if it boils down to the thing called "money" at the end of the day. There is a lot of us that really work hard to achieve what we have achieved in aviation and most of us know the "sh%t holes". What about the guys that sit in these "sh%t holes" and work very hard who don't have 150k just to through around. Does the "money" mean that the opportunity is passing them by...?
I think it is sad that the commercial aviation arena are looking for pilots with "money" and that the pilots (without the money) with the passion for flying is passed by. And please, by this I don't say that "the pilots with money" don't have a passion for flying; but more correctly that the employers don't consider passion for flying anymore in a pilot. I think there is also a song about the employers: "It's all about the money..." At the end of the day it all needs to boil down to safety and not the pilot with the most money to buy his conversion fresh out of the circuit... Safety is paramount!
What do my follow passioned aviators think...?
What you will be reading in my post is not pointed at Nationwide at all, I really like Nationwide, think they are great, but it is aimed at the aviation sector in general asspecially commercial aviation.
Can anyone please tell me what happened to the aviation arena?
Now one needs to pay a sh%t load of money to get a rating on an aircraft that is mostly utilized by airlines just to get a foot in the door of an airline, no guarantee, just one foot...
I'm sure it didn't work like this in the earlier days and I would agree that a training bond is the way to go if it boils down to the thing called "money" at the end of the day. There is a lot of us that really work hard to achieve what we have achieved in aviation and most of us know the "sh%t holes". What about the guys that sit in these "sh%t holes" and work very hard who don't have 150k just to through around. Does the "money" mean that the opportunity is passing them by...?
I think it is sad that the commercial aviation arena are looking for pilots with "money" and that the pilots (without the money) with the passion for flying is passed by. And please, by this I don't say that "the pilots with money" don't have a passion for flying; but more correctly that the employers don't consider passion for flying anymore in a pilot. I think there is also a song about the employers: "It's all about the money..." At the end of the day it all needs to boil down to safety and not the pilot with the most money to buy his conversion fresh out of the circuit... Safety is paramount!
What do my follow passioned aviators think...?
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Why indeed,
People have chose to forget what an honour it is to be in the aviation industry...
Pay your way into an airline, fly certain aircraft with a comm which is ment to be flown whith an ATP...
Pilots are taking the privledge for granted these days, too many rich boys with no respect and no passion for the privledge.. "What do you want to do son ?" "Well dad, chicks like pilots so lets give that a bash !" Shoot the aholes I reckon...
Clean up the industry and make it a fun, safe, helathy place for people who dream of nothing else again..
People have chose to forget what an honour it is to be in the aviation industry...
Pay your way into an airline, fly certain aircraft with a comm which is ment to be flown whith an ATP...
Pilots are taking the privledge for granted these days, too many rich boys with no respect and no passion for the privledge.. "What do you want to do son ?" "Well dad, chicks like pilots so lets give that a bash !" Shoot the aholes I reckon...
Clean up the industry and make it a fun, safe, helathy place for people who dream of nothing else again..
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It is not that easy this time round.
Just to set the record straight:
Nationwide interviewed about 20 guys/girls initially. Their experience ranged from about 1000 hours tt to very experienced.
Only 12 were called for a half hour grilling on a 737 Sim. Experience levels of those - close to 2000 tt up to 18000 tt (turbine time, ATP being the norm).
Question is: If you had the money and were offered the chance to get into an airline, would you not pay as well? And furthermore- would you like it if others looked down on you for taking this opportunity?
Rather be happy for those who are lucky enough to have been given this chance to take a huge leap forward in their careers.
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Nationwide interviewed about 20 guys/girls initially. Their experience ranged from about 1000 hours tt to very experienced.
Only 12 were called for a half hour grilling on a 737 Sim. Experience levels of those - close to 2000 tt up to 18000 tt (turbine time, ATP being the norm).
Question is: If you had the money and were offered the chance to get into an airline, would you not pay as well? And furthermore- would you like it if others looked down on you for taking this opportunity?
Rather be happy for those who are lucky enough to have been given this chance to take a huge leap forward in their careers.
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to the post before the last...turtle man, or whatever your name is
if you know of people flying airplanes with commercial licences which should be flown with atp licences then you should report this to the caa as it is illegal.
if you know of people flying airplanes with commercial licences which should be flown with atp licences then you should report this to the caa as it is illegal.
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To pay or not to pay? Bond vs Pay for rating.
R150,000 rand does seem a bit steep for a 737-200 rating, especially as this will most likely be a P2 rating (I stand to be corrected). I assume, that this buys the rating only -i.e. not job security. In other words, you get the rating, but if due to circumstances you are no longer required, goodbye? Another thing to consider is the cost of the loan. There can't be too many young people out there who have a spare R150,000 rand lying around? So in reality it costs R150,000 plus interest.
My comair training bond was R150,000 rand over a four year period. After four years service, I would owe nothing and of course there was no cash outlay at the beginning. The real bonus is also 4 years worth of 737 hours in the logbook. Cost to me a big fat zero!
THROWING A CAT AMONG THE PIGEONS: It is also worth considering that one can get a full B737 type rating in the US for around US$7000. There is no such thing as a P2 rating in the USA. I paid 7300 USD for my type rating because the FAA would not recognise my South African P2 737 type rating. For my money I got a full 2 week course entailing 1 week of classroom followed by intense oral exam, 5 four hour sims and a final 3 hour sim that was the checkride. All materials were provided including 737 manuals (to keep). Some pre-course home study is required. There were no hidden costs and after passing the checkride I got a FULL B737 type rating (equivalent to P1).
At the present exchange rate, 7300USD is less than half of R150000! I know that some will say, "Yes, but you only got 6 sims and some classroom time for that!" Let me assure you, it was an intense, VERY thorough course. I have no idea how many sims "Nationwide" will provide for the R150,000 rand. Perhaps someone can tell us?
At the end of the day, the training bond route is still the best for someone starting out (my humble opinion). I had no FAA ATP when I arrived in the USA so my motives were different when I paid for my new type rating... I only paid for my FAA B737 type to validate my SA obtained B737 experience and also because it was a quick way to get my FAA ATP at the same time.
I only included this info to generate some debate -What is the REAL cost of 737 type ratings in SA if one can get them relatively cheaply in the USA? Bear in mind, I refer to the cost of the rating only, not the cost of base training (circuits in the real airplane) and line training AFTER a candidate has obtained the rating?So again, what is the REAL cost of 737 type ratings in SA if one can get them relatively cheaply in the USA?
My comair training bond was R150,000 rand over a four year period. After four years service, I would owe nothing and of course there was no cash outlay at the beginning. The real bonus is also 4 years worth of 737 hours in the logbook. Cost to me a big fat zero!
THROWING A CAT AMONG THE PIGEONS: It is also worth considering that one can get a full B737 type rating in the US for around US$7000. There is no such thing as a P2 rating in the USA. I paid 7300 USD for my type rating because the FAA would not recognise my South African P2 737 type rating. For my money I got a full 2 week course entailing 1 week of classroom followed by intense oral exam, 5 four hour sims and a final 3 hour sim that was the checkride. All materials were provided including 737 manuals (to keep). Some pre-course home study is required. There were no hidden costs and after passing the checkride I got a FULL B737 type rating (equivalent to P1).
At the present exchange rate, 7300USD is less than half of R150000! I know that some will say, "Yes, but you only got 6 sims and some classroom time for that!" Let me assure you, it was an intense, VERY thorough course. I have no idea how many sims "Nationwide" will provide for the R150,000 rand. Perhaps someone can tell us?
At the end of the day, the training bond route is still the best for someone starting out (my humble opinion). I had no FAA ATP when I arrived in the USA so my motives were different when I paid for my new type rating... I only paid for my FAA B737 type to validate my SA obtained B737 experience and also because it was a quick way to get my FAA ATP at the same time.
I only included this info to generate some debate -What is the REAL cost of 737 type ratings in SA if one can get them relatively cheaply in the USA? Bear in mind, I refer to the cost of the rating only, not the cost of base training (circuits in the real airplane) and line training AFTER a candidate has obtained the rating?So again, what is the REAL cost of 737 type ratings in SA if one can get them relatively cheaply in the USA?
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All very well saying that yes you can get it cheaper hence the option of the bond should be looked at but how about the other side of the coin being that should you enter into a training bond and you get your training...what is stopping you from running off to another airline once you have been trained and in so doing saying 'bite me' to the airline that outlayed the money in the first place ???????