Tristar in the hands of Russian owner.

[napoleon]

I welcome your CV the mind boggles to think what it would reveal!!!

[petesevenseven]

Facts!!!

To the Bear!!!

"Well said PlonkerSevenSeven!
I suppose you as a pilot would do everything managment says, evem when it's obviously illegal?
"Yeah, I'll fly grossly overloaded, without a valid licence, in an un-registered airplane ... etc""

Listen pal I'm not saying that what has gone on is at all correct here!!!

And as far as ever operating an aircraft without a licence in an unregistered airplane goes!!! Don't know mate I've never done that!!! But what I'm saying is that it goes on around us all the time!!!! If you have never seen it then you are one of the blindest Plonker Bears that iv'e ever had the pleasure of wasting my time on!!!!!!

Now I don't know the exact details of the whole story here, and quite frankly I'm really not interested in them I've got better things to worry about!!!

What I am defending is Russian Engineers That is all NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS, I'd rather a Russian Engineer work on my aircraft than an African one thats for sure and that only comes with experience ask Eagle Air Uganda what difference a russian engineer did for their whole operation!!!!!

But that's just me!!!

So Nice wasting my time on you Plonker Bear Don't forget to shave!!!!!!

Remember the americans spent millions and millions of tax payers dollars developing a pen that could be used in space!! THE RUSSIANS USED A PENCIL!!!! Hence they are simply more practical and they had to be during communist years, its just plain and simple evolution, it doesn't mean that they are less educated, unlike some Plonker blind bears I know and had the pleasure of wasting my time on!!!!!

Peace out Blood!!!!

Pete

[goonaboy]

OLGA THIS WAY YOU GO THAT WAY.

[406pilot]

hey chill out guys....

was that 4 us? do not take pete 77 so seriously man,nobody does anyways...its just that he has been sharing the bed with a mad russian so often that he really cant seem to look past them...Frankly speaking i would rather walk then fly aeroflot.....as for the south african aviation....i quite think SAA is the best airline in this continent.....try and beat that p77???

no more 406pilot

ps:hey pete i do believe aviation and space is 2 different things,try to get it right b4 u launch yourself into an argument

[napoleon]

By the statement you made about Russian Engineers being prefered to African Engineers do I take it that by African you mean "Black" or do you include us white Africans in your racist remarks?

[petesevenseven]

I'd rather fly a 406!!!!!

Hey 406!!!

Habari Bwana. Quite frankly I'd rather fly a 406 because the way your'e going I hear your'e putting on tooooooo Much weight sitting on your Behind not your fault admitingly but rather the fault of your beloved SAA!!!!!!!

I'd rather fly for Aeroflot one thing is for sure they have better Equipment than ATC and BETTER MAINTENANCE let's not get the 2 confused (ATC and SAA although they are supposed to be training you)!!! I'd love to see ATC operate and Maintain B777's

And one thing is definately for sure they would NOT keep you hanging around for over a year to type rate you on a 737 have you actually got it on your licence yet???? Oh and one other point their Hosties are definately better looking!!!!

Suck on that one Fatso!!!!

Pete!!!!

[406pilot]

ok guys plonker77 has just blown a fuse or may be it must be the sound of those hydraulic operated wipers of the let in terferering with his brain waves....something like that or did the rebels have a go at you while you were there ........cant stop laughing about those hydraulic operated wipers...dude someone was obviously over dozing on some cheap vodka designing those...ohhh damn

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[Solid Rust Twotter]

406

They got the idea from a Dak. You should see the things hopping around when the diaphragm in the accumulator goes for a ball of and there's only the pump to keep pressure up directly including some pretty scary hydraulic shocks.

[406pilot]

aha so ur saying the idea came from an american plane....hmmm wow

so the legacy of the western design copycating is still very much alive...hey didnt the russians make a "concorde with canards"?????called concordski now that certainly went into the record books as one of the safest planes around dint it....pete 77???

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[petesevenseven]

Ohhhh Now we r going 2 another level!!!

That's right!!! When you have nothing else to say we have to go to the good old Racisum thing!!!!

WHAT CRAP!!!!!!

It's not about Racisum it's about education guys plane and simple!!!!! And the Russian engineers have been educated pretty well and they do a good job with what they have in hand, and I might add from what I have experienced with them I have absolutely no complaints!!!!

Good one Mate!!! It's all about education, and they have simply been better educated and they do a good job!!!!


Goodluck guys I'm sorry I cant lower myself into one of your racisum issues I'll never win!!!!! However what I do know is that The russian Engineers that I have worked with in the past have been outstanding professionals!!!!!


Pete!!!!!

[126,7]

You guys obviously all know each other and there's a bit more being typed between the lines here than Russians and Africans........
Pulling the racism card is very far below the belt and totally immature.

Get a grip now children and act accordingly........my my my

[napoleon]

126.7 I dont know any one of the above Children for what its worth. The plonker made a racist remark and I suggest if he cant be civil he should be quiet at least!!! I'd like to introduce him to a few of my "Black" mechanics if he comes to Kinshasa!

[Atlanta-Driver]

Posts

Beats me how you doorknobs manage turn a discussion about L1011's and Russians into a Racisism issue.

[406pilot]

hi 126.7 you nailed it right i do have the dishonour of knowing pete77, but never did i realise he was such a thinker....

Russian engineers have been educated pretty well and they do a good job with what they have in hand, and I might add from what I have experienced with them I have absolutely no complaints!!!!

hey pete i hope your not calling your ex- an engineer???we are talking about real aircraft engineers here...like i said b4 get it right for once in your life pete


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[petesevenseven]

Check This Out!!!!!

Ok guy's,

I hope that this can truelly be my last reply because some of you guys have missed the point here.

So lets refresh the initial topic was " Tristar in the hands of Russian owner" by Was that for us?

and I'll just keep on quoting here "I imagine Tristar freaks will be rolling their eyes at the very thought of Russians playing with sacred equipment"

and another one by 411A
"The TriStar is a very complex systems aircraft, and is certainly not suited to 'hammer and tong' engineering."

Now I'd just like some of you guys to take a look at this link and let me know what you think!!!!

I think that if the Russians Can Maintain and Operate something a Complex as a B777 then I think they Can Maintain and Operate something as Complex as a Tristar.

Now having said that I don't know under what conditions these guys are operating under: But then again I just cant imagine someone investing in quite an expensive piece of equipment in comparison to Russian equipment and not looking after that investment.

Like I said before Russian Engineers are highly educated guys they had to be to try to keep up with the Yanks!!!! Their only problem is a language barrier which is slowly but surely being fixed!!!!

As Mr. 406 said they came up with the Concordskie which still was being used until very recently as a test bed for supersonic flight? Correct me if i'm wrong!!!!! So inorder to keep these things flying one would assume that there would be a fair amount of education and skill required rather than " Hammer and Tong" engineering!!!!!

Anyway guys Take a peek and let me know what you think!!!! I think the Paint Job is fantastic!!!!!!!

www.airliners.net/open.file/590323/M/


Happy Landings Guys


Pete

[helldog]

Awesome, this is great entertainment. I know the plonk and 406, and by the way 406 I know who goonaboy is. All good blokes. Some of you are out of control here man, whats going on? I cant see how this could have turned the way it has. You all need to chill the out. Pete get your fat butt over here and have a beer son. But let me have a game of squash first, as my fat butt wont fit in a 406 soon.

Anyway, for what its worth I think that the ruskies must be good gingerbeers. But as someone mentioned the companies that use their aircraft are dodgy get rich quick operations, and they dont give them much to work with. Does not mean they are bad engineers, but I dont know how they can clear a plane to fly in the state some of those aircraft are in.

Cheers

[petesevenseven]

I Couldn't Agree More!!!!!

helldog,

I completely agree with what you are saying!!!! You are definately on for a beer!!!Give me a buzzz!!

Another good point mate you need to keep your ass slim otherwise you will also end up a No More 406 pilot because you wont be able to fit into your seat at all!!!!!!

Shawmow MoFo!!!!!

Pete!!!!

[406pilot]

well pete77 atleast there is paycheck coming my way every month which should be enough to keep those garlic naan breads flowing for some time but geez if somebody doesnt pull the plug on plonker he might have a mouth run-away....same as prop run away....

hey helldog send me a pm on goona pls/....

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[ShenziRubani]

Great great litterature lads. Pete7-7, I am sure that you didn't really mean it the way it was interpreted, but it's true that ur comment sounded like...eeer "I trust the russian, not the blacks, look at TZ, all planes falling because black maintenance". I am sure that this was not what you wanted to say.
The problem with the PT6s in Arusha, is maybe not a maintenance issue (and I surely don't want to think this in the cases of the 406, MUA and Helldog's machine. I am certain that their operators have the most reliable maintenance providers in Dar and at Wilson) but maybe something else. If you've read some of the other thread here, you'd noticed that a few PT6 have been failing, with the same symptoms, in the US, Australia and South America too. A plane down every month in TZ? Same here in the U.S. Dude!! Way more than one.

I have been around the area for 36 years, and I have seen more Russian built planes, maintained by Russian crews, having maintenance issues than other. I do not thing that it has to do with the manufacture of the planes at all, I believe that those are built rough in order to resist the tough condition of the bush in the ex-USSR. But most of the planes have been going through countless operators before falling in the hands of fly-by-night operations in Africa, especially in poorer countries or countries at war. The mechanics who come to work on our continent are often guys who couldn't get a job at home and were desperate (like most of the foreign pilots, ) and often will not be the best (hence they don't work with used-to-be-gigantic Aeroflot. A lot of them had to leave families behind and spend a lot of time getting pissed on the vodka (like most of us pilots ).
I am not trying to say that this is the case for all Russian mechanics and I want to believe that yours were better than any European, American, Australian or Euro-American trained locals, but I have observed that most of them fell in the category that I've described.

I don't even want to get on the spare parts, maintenance issues, with these planes, maintain by washed-out russian mechs or not, if an operator cannot afford a decent salary for its mechs and pilots, I don't see him spending cash in spares.

They already have problems with aircrafts that they have been trained on, and on which they can improvise, let alone working on a Tristar.

The situation with Aeroflot's aircraft on their major internal and international routes is different. They have the creme on this market. Now go check what's happening with the bush lines and the bush planes in the country, it is another story. Nothing to do with abilities or not, just the money. If there's no money, there's no maintenance.

[Atlanta-Driver]

More about the Ruuussians

Seems that Pete does not like to accept facts but holds on to his believes. Just to refresh the old memory:

"As far as I have seen Russian aircraft flying around in Africa and Middle-East are "somewhat" lacking in the old maintenace, mainly due to cut-throat competition between the various Russian operators. However many of their pilots and tech-crews are very well trained and experienced in the type of aircraft they operate.
The above does not however exclude the fact that they have serious problems with some of the following:

- Lack of recurrency training on the type operated, some guys not seen Sim or an instructor since early -80's
- Lack of standardisation in operating procedures as well as maintenance procedures.
- Operating using out of date enroute charts and app-plates
- Lack of available spares and tools to correct problems
- Flying with aircraft in total shambles
- Serious problems with reading , writing and understanding English language especially when it comes to ATC and technical language.
These are just to name a few. Guess some of the points can be used to describe many third world carriers.

Regardless I can assure you PETESEVENSEVEN that a small Russian company operating aircraft as complex and demanding as L1011 in Africa just wont make it.
Russian mechanics with limited english (Ok they may speak excellent english) but no experience on the L1011.
Add to that the lack of spare parts (And prices for thosre spares available) on the market. They will either crash it or brake it in just no time.
We operated L1011 for quite a few years and know the problems involved in operating the aircraft type. We had engineers with years and years of experience on the type... There is a reason why the aircraft is no longer in our fleet."

Your comparison to Aeroflot is totally out of place. Aeroflot is a large company with considerable casflow with many western aircraft being leased from western leasing companies. These require aircraft to be maintained to a certain standard performing periodic checks to verify compliance with terms of lease, hardly the case of this L1011 operator.

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