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Hello everyone.
I got a ppl a while back.With Cape Flying Services ,George,South Africa.I would like to hear from everyone who reads this and has done some flying with this school (good and bad stories) all are welcome.If you dont want to post a reply by all means e-mail me this is my confidential e-mail address [email protected].
Please ignore the ridiculous name but for future postings It keeps my identity a secret
I got a ppl a while back.With Cape Flying Services ,George,South Africa.I would like to hear from everyone who reads this and has done some flying with this school (good and bad stories) all are welcome.If you dont want to post a reply by all means e-mail me this is my confidential e-mail address [email protected].
Please ignore the ridiculous name but for future postings It keeps my identity a secret
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If you check out previous postings on this site, you will see that the school has been discussed at length. Seeing that you hate SA so much, what are your intention with this thread? Are you trying to solicit bad comments so that you can say "I told you so?"
People like you are a detriment to aviation. Rather keep your trap shut, stay in your own country and leave SA alone.
People like you are a detriment to aviation. Rather keep your trap shut, stay in your own country and leave SA alone.
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I have just read your other post (at this point you have only made two) and I can see why clipboard has reacted to you as he did.
Bottom line is that all flying schools the world over will have people with good things to say and some with bad things to say.
SA has its problems but so does the UK, the US, EU and specifically Ireland as well. If you want to talk about racism look at Ulster!
CFS have been in business a long time so whatever the bad things that have been said the fact is they wouldn't have achieved this if they were as bad as they're made out to be. Look at FTC - that proves my point.
Bottom line is that all flying schools the world over will have people with good things to say and some with bad things to say.
SA has its problems but so does the UK, the US, EU and specifically Ireland as well. If you want to talk about racism look at Ulster!
CFS have been in business a long time so whatever the bad things that have been said the fact is they wouldn't have achieved this if they were as bad as they're made out to be. Look at FTC - that proves my point.
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Answer the question I have asked mate
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I have replied to you in relation to another member and matter.Your quite the norm around flying schools so much that you bore me.Unless you have been to this school or have the must sought after jet job I dont want to hear from you.
Asto to where am I going with this thread? well none of your buisness buddy.Thats why I left a private e-mail address.
I have replied to you in relation to another member and matter.Your quite the norm around flying schools so much that you bore me.Unless you have been to this school or have the must sought after jet job I dont want to hear from you.
Asto to where am I going with this thread? well none of your buisness buddy.Thats why I left a private e-mail address.
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Say, you're not related to Sandy ([email protected]) who first posted on this topic on 1 May 2003 (thread 88970: Cape Flying Services...south Africa) and provided his details, are you?
Besides, don't slag of the whole of South Africa just because you had a bad incident :-(
Besides, don't slag of the whole of South Africa just because you had a bad incident :-(
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You have made a very good point.But most of cape flying services students are non nationals pulled in by dodgy agents.If your a local when you see what your dealing with, but If you arrive from a foreign country with your heart set on training well its extemly hard to turn back.What keeps them floating is the excess of sterling paid by european students thinking they have got a better deal than back home.
You have made a very good point.But most of cape flying services students are non nationals pulled in by dodgy agents.If your a local when you see what your dealing with, but If you arrive from a foreign country with your heart set on training well its extemly hard to turn back.What keeps them floating is the excess of sterling paid by european students thinking they have got a better deal than back home.
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Im new on this site.But your posting caught my eye.I went to south africa a few years ago to do some flying more as a hobby.
I booked time with this school.weather was bad the week I got to George.The locals say its four seasons in one day down there.But it gave me time to see what the operation was like.The aircraft are badly maintained.Always got little but important things breaking all the time.I check caa reports for accidents now and again and that place has serious health and safety issues.Students warned me at the time to be careful.They were also terrified I would say something back to the owner.Apparently if there disatisied and are caught giving their opinions to other students he would mess them around further in their training.Getting instructors to drag out dual hours,not leaving them fly for paid time, all Kind of weird thing going on down there.Sorry to hear you had a bad time obviously the owner
is still up to his tricks.Glad I legged it when I had a chance.
Best of luck
Im new on this site.But your posting caught my eye.I went to south africa a few years ago to do some flying more as a hobby.
I booked time with this school.weather was bad the week I got to George.The locals say its four seasons in one day down there.But it gave me time to see what the operation was like.The aircraft are badly maintained.Always got little but important things breaking all the time.I check caa reports for accidents now and again and that place has serious health and safety issues.Students warned me at the time to be careful.They were also terrified I would say something back to the owner.Apparently if there disatisied and are caught giving their opinions to other students he would mess them around further in their training.Getting instructors to drag out dual hours,not leaving them fly for paid time, all Kind of weird thing going on down there.Sorry to hear you had a bad time obviously the owner
is still up to his tricks.Glad I legged it when I had a chance.
Best of luck
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It is sad but not surprising that more comments about his school are coming out of the woodwork.
To all who are critical of this posting and the writer's motives just bear in mind that It is not about anything else other that this school or and its agents actions that does effect the perception of foreign based students wanting to visit South Africa for aviation training, surely, a valid motive for any other genuine enthusiast interested to expose this sort of problem by making potential students aware of the pitfalls of this school
I am not related to or colluded with any other person to unreasonably submit or who has expressed their views about this school.
Today, my particular posting has now been updated.
Regards.
Sandy Young
To all who are critical of this posting and the writer's motives just bear in mind that It is not about anything else other that this school or and its agents actions that does effect the perception of foreign based students wanting to visit South Africa for aviation training, surely, a valid motive for any other genuine enthusiast interested to expose this sort of problem by making potential students aware of the pitfalls of this school
I am not related to or colluded with any other person to unreasonably submit or who has expressed their views about this school.
Today, my particular posting has now been updated.
Regards.
Sandy Young
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Interesting thread. Any comment from the relevant parties regarding a student allegedly having an engine failure at night on the 30th of June 2003 that wasn't reported to the CAA? Anything on an African student who was allegedly advised to plead refugee status when his visa expired? Allegedly spent a few nights behind bars? Six Sierra Leone students who allegedly threatened to burn the place down before they got their money back? Claims some time ago allegedly by the UK agent regarding JAR compliance? Accredited for turbine training? Alleged threats against a protagonist if he didn't keep quiet?
No accusations. Just curious.
No accusations. Just curious.
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Rasterfarian from the Bahamas (with one post) .. It i svery obvious that you are out to stirr the pot.
Would just advise you to you do not have the foggiest of clues what you are talking about.
The 6 Sierra Leoneans was sponsored - so you tell me how they can ask their money back.
The rest .. well ... you curiosity comes from the sanjo camp.
Exposed mate ...
It i svery obvious that you are out to stirr the pot.Would just advise you to you do not have the foggiest of clues what you are talking about.
The 6 Sierra Leoneans was sponsored - so you tell me how they can ask their money back.
The rest .. well ... you curiosity comes from the sanjo camp.
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I take strong exception to the reference "of from the sanjo camp" as made by Mr Kamara, Sir, you do not know me like I am unknown to you, it would therefore be appreciated and courteous for you to respect that fact.
On the generel point that has been made, there is no dispute that he may or may not have had a good experience at CFS in George, but, surely, he must concede that there are real and genuine people out there who have had a bad experience and would be justified to have the right to air their experiences on this site to inform and warn fellow ppruners that they should exercise caution before using this school and indeed the UK based "agent"
If any of my posts relating to this school prevent just one student from enduring a similiar problem then it will have been worthwhile and most importantly, just for South Aviation.
The requirement may only be one successful (attained) court case, irrespective of its locality or origin, to highlight that there is truth in what is being said, notwithstanding, many complain but don't have the balls to follow through. Perhaps, if they did, then these experiences would not occur wherever they happened in the world not just SA but then again all these things take time to work itself out. SA aviation deserves much better from a minority of its Flying Schools!
Best Wishes
Sandy Young
On the generel point that has been made, there is no dispute that he may or may not have had a good experience at CFS in George, but, surely, he must concede that there are real and genuine people out there who have had a bad experience and would be justified to have the right to air their experiences on this site to inform and warn fellow ppruners that they should exercise caution before using this school and indeed the UK based "agent"
If any of my posts relating to this school prevent just one student from enduring a similiar problem then it will have been worthwhile and most importantly, just for South Aviation.
The requirement may only be one successful (attained) court case, irrespective of its locality or origin, to highlight that there is truth in what is being said, notwithstanding, many complain but don't have the balls to follow through. Perhaps, if they did, then these experiences would not occur wherever they happened in the world not just SA but then again all these things take time to work itself out. SA aviation deserves much better from a minority of its Flying Schools!
Best Wishes
Sandy Young
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Sanjo relax bru - Alfred was on the course there - I am sure he knows the in's and out's as you 
PS: The post made you quickly coming out of the closet hey
PS: The post made you quickly coming out of the closet hey
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My apologies Alfred. Thanks for the correction. I'll rephrase. Any comments from the RELEVANT parties regarding six Sierra Leoneons allegedly threatening to burn the place down to get their SPONSORS money back?
And since when did curiousity become stirring?
And since when did curiousity become stirring?
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Sorry Sanjo. Seems there's a case of mistaken identity here. Seems like you've rattled a few cages out there. Wonder what they're worried about? Could it be that there's a little smoke on the horizon?
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so how is the weather on muddy island ?
Despite our best efforts for some reason us Brits will be never able to shake off the tag of "whinging poms"........I wonder why
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Sandy, when are you going to stop whining about your experience with CFS. It appears that you really like reading your own postings. You have no idea how boring this site has become, together with all the boring comments made by your mates. Come on man, if you want to write something about aviation, find a decent topic, and if you can't, please stop winching on about CFS. What more do you want to say about CFS that you have not already said?
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This thread appears to have had a long and interesting history. Unfortunately it is clear Sandy's experience wasn't just an isolated case. And having a few happy customers is no justification for having unhappy ones. Hence the prospect of other legal actions is likely. Well done to Sandy and the others who have taken a stand. The South African general aviation industry deserves better than to be represented by these charlotans.