Originally Posted by Junkflyer
(Post 11631721)
Flaps and slats work off the same lever. Can't speak for the 737, but typically slats are first or in conjunction with some flaps.
There is probably some technique of pulling circuit breakers or the like to prevent LE deployment, but I doubt that would be in the checklist. |
Originally Posted by waito
(Post 11632054)
Another note: the LE device, slat next to the engine seem to show sort of puncture. Reason enough to avoid using flaps. Possible assymetry in slats is quite uncomfortable. As would TE setting without LE, but I think this is prevented.
I'm not criticizing their decision-making, by the way; after all they did have a very long runway readily available for an immediate overweight flaps-up landing. And I can totally understand why they wanted to land ASAP, considering the possibility of debris from the engine hitting the wing (or even the horizontal stabilizer). |
Originally Posted by tdracer
(Post 11632173)
If memory serves, the LE device deploys as soon as you go flaps 1 - so there is not a flap setting that wouldn't have deployed the (potentially damaged) leading edge.
There is probably some technique of pulling circuit breakers or the like to prevent LE deployment, but I doubt that would be in the checklist. Flaps 1-5 drives the 8 LE slats in intermediate extended, and 2 LE flaps into full extended pos as soon as lever leaves flaps up setting. |
Originally Posted by tdracer
(Post 11632173)
If memory serves, the LE device deploys as soon as you go flaps 1 - so there is not a flap setting that wouldn't have deployed the (potentially damaged) leading edge.
There is probably some technique of pulling circuit breakers or the like to prevent LE deployment, but I doubt that would be in the checklist. |
Originally Posted by xetroV
(Post 11632225)
... the puncture did not seem to be present during flight.
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Originally Posted by Jonty
(Post 11631294)
Not 30 times, I can name about 3 times it happened.
Thing is, it’s a known issue to the point it prompted a design change from Airbus. Why didn’t Boeing take note and change their design? |
Originally Posted by Junkflyer
(Post 11632320)
I remember the story of a captain on the 727 who used to pull a c/b for L/E devices and put a slight bit of flaps in to increase speed in cruise.
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It probably went supersonic and caused the right landing gear to be pushed back into the wing structure. The decent was probably the most dramatic for a non fatal accident in the history of aviation.
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Originally Posted by MartinB738
(Post 11632398)
What was the design change? I recall talk of a spreader to force the cowls apart if unlatched, and a warning light? Thanks in anticipation.
On the NEO fleet there is a spring that pushes the cowlings apart, there is also a mechanical flag that pops out of the side of the cowling if the (no.2?) latch isn't locked and there's also a flt deck ECAM warning if the cowlings are not fully latched. Maybe it's time Boeing did something similar. |
Originally Posted by Last200ft
(Post 11631764)
Definitely not an easy one, well done by the crew. Just a thought re flap up landing… In theory, even if the slats are damaged, there should still be some sort of asymmetry protection. Would it be worth trying in this kind of scenario? Technically if something goes wrong you can bring them back. Or maybe the system design would stop the slats and let you use the flaps at least? Again, those are just thoughts for myself, kudos to the crew and ATC
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Originally Posted by Junkflyer
(Post 11632320)
I remember the story of a captain on the 727 who used to pull a c/b for L/E devices and put a slight bit of flaps in to increase speed in cruise. As legend goes, one of the other crewmembers came back into the cockpit and noticed the c/b out so pushed it in. The leading edges came out but one tore off or something and sent the aircraft into a roll and the aircraft lost thousands of feet in altitude before recovering.
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Originally Posted by Yancey Slide
(Post 11632694)
TWA 841
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/...ts/AAR8108.pdf |
Originally Posted by Jonty
(Post 11631294)
Not 30 times, I can name about 3 times it happened.
Thing is, it’s a known issue to the point it prompted a design change from Airbus. Why didn’t Boeing take note and change their design? |
Originally Posted by pattern_is_full
(Post 11631860)
Really? Where?
SWA does not operate any aircraft type except 737 variants (to maintain system-wide crew compatability). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_fleet https://registry.faa.gov/AircraftInq...umberTxt=8668A You must be the life of every party. It was a sarcastic remark. |
NTSB stopped investigating this event.
Maintenace haopened the night before, and NTSB is satisfied with declaring it a maintenance issue and the airline addressing it. See avherald, where I picked this up. |
N8668A patched up enough to fly. Currently enroute from DEN to PAE. Since SWA doesn’t serve PAE, assume positioning is for additional maintenance at Boeing.
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Aircraft positioned from PAE to SEA early this morning, then returned to revenue service SEA to PHX later this morning.
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