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ORAC 2nd Jan 2024 09:08

Reports coming in that the accident happened on runway 34R which was being used for departures.

San Diego kid 2nd Jan 2024 09:09


Originally Posted by milhouse999 (Post 11566080)
It seems in the last few minutes scores of firefighting assets have turned up and started to fight the fire. An hour after the incident.

Have they really had to await resources from far away for this?

Everyone was safe out the plane, plane is destroyed anyway, why risk more lives. Let it burn untill you’re sure there won’t be any explosions.

CAEBr 2nd Jan 2024 09:09


Originally Posted by Expatrick (Post 11566072)
Y'all be relieved to know that CNN have concluded that the incident with the JAL aircraft was not connected to the earthquake.

Except that the Coastguard were probably only operating because of the earthquake and its aftermath ........

Fortissimo 2nd Jan 2024 09:10


Originally Posted by PC767 (Post 11566045)
One fire truck visible and no foam. They seem to be letting it burn.

Correct decision. There was a firefighter killed at DXB in 2016 when the wing of a fully evacuated B777 cooked off and he was hit by a large chunk of wing panel. Needless death.

Kabobble 2nd Jan 2024 09:10


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11566084)
Reports coming in that the accident happened on runway 34R which was being used for departures.

It was 34R for sure. Does Haneda operate mixed mode?

421dog 2nd Jan 2024 09:11


Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 11566079)
Be interested to see, if reports are accurate, whether the coast guard crew were familiar with Haneda airport or were operating there for the first time ever/in a while due to recent events.

Why would that possibly be pertinent? Those of us who are actually pilots fly in to airports we’ve never visited, and don’t get killed on a fairly frequent basis.

DaveReidUK 2nd Jan 2024 09:11


Originally Posted by Jonty (Post 11566083)
Then I have to remind myself that the fire service allowed the fire to take hold.

If I'd been involved in an event like that, I'd be grateful that the fire service's first priority is preservation of life.

physicus 2nd Jan 2024 09:13

No ADS-B target visible for the coast guard plane, neither on ground nor in-flight. Approach and landing speeds looking normal.

Flight appears to be JAL516 from Okinawa, rego JA13XJ hex id 8467d8

Stu666 2nd Jan 2024 09:13

Appears to collide with the other aircraft on runway.

https://x.com/6twenty5/status/1742126071305445642?s=20

fdr 2nd Jan 2024 09:13

Haneda normally has a few coast guard aircraft on the north ramp where we often get parked for medevac ops. Those include a few G-V, F-2000's. They also have Saab 340, Dash 8-300 and Kingairs. Taking a hit from an A350 on landing is going to be a bad day for the coast guard crew.

The video of the fire fighting efforts is disturbing. If they ran out of AFFF or whatever they are using that fast, I would be surprised. It appears they were applying minimum effort with one guy at the rear with a hand held hose, and one from the front. Apparently the fuselage likes burning after all. There is going to be some fall out after this one, while it permitted the first 90 seconds window fine, the whole plane being consumed by fire is going to take some explaining. Vale to the coast guard crew, one apparently escaped.

Looks like the RH engine on the A350 continued to run for some time, the E&E bay would have taken a hit, it appears to be running during the evacuation.

Coast Guard aircraft was apparently one of the Dash-8 300's

The Hustler 2nd Jan 2024 09:14


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11566084)
Reports coming in that the accident happened on runway 34R which was being used for departures.

Reports the Coastguard aircraft was departing to Nagata to deliver aid, so sounds like someone was on the wrong runway 😔

simfly 2nd Jan 2024 09:14


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11566084)
Reports coming in that the accident happened on runway 34R which was being used for departures.

they combine arrivals and departures on both parallel runways at HND

AeroAmigo 2nd Jan 2024 09:16

Complete hull loss, still violently burning now through (somewhat bizarre) Live footage provided by various news outlets. I suppose at least a positive to take from this is that the fire developed slowly, affording those onboard enough time to evacuate safely.

surely not 2nd Jan 2024 09:17

I'm getting reports from a relative who lives in Japan. Latest news is that 5 crew members on the Coastguard aircraft are likely to have perished with only 1 pilot known to have survived at this time

jolihokistix 2nd Jan 2024 09:17

JAL flight 516 was from Shin Chitose in Hokkaido.

milhouse999 2nd Jan 2024 09:19


Originally Posted by San Diego kid (Post 11566086)
Everyone was safe out the plane, plane is destroyed anyway, why risk more lives. Let it burn untill you’re sure there won’t be any explosions.

Fires can be fought from considerable distance with the correct equipment, preseveration of evidence is also important.

I completely understand your point however there seemed to be a small response to this initial incident with firefighting assets arriving very late (an hour after the incident). I am sure all of this will come out in the subsequent reports and focus should be on the safe evacuation of pax.

Ivor_Bigunn 2nd Jan 2024 09:22

A screengrab from the video in Post #30:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ff19cdfe14.jpg
Plane is moving rapidly right-left, on a runway.

It does look as if it is nose-down.

I hope everyone really did evacuate safely.

IB

ORAC 2nd Jan 2024 09:26

Fire department statement that the remaining 5 Coastguard crew members have been accounted for.

No comment on their condition.

rkenyon 2nd Jan 2024 09:29


Originally Posted by milhouse999 (Post 11566109)
I completely understand your point however there seemed to be a small response to this initial incident with firefighting assets arriving very late (an hour after the incident). I am sure all of this will come out in the subsequent reports and focus should be on the safe evacuation of pax.

The main fire initially was further down the runway where the cost guard plane was hit. The fire services would have attended that first. Once they'd dealt with that, they could move onto the JAL plane.

Firstpost 2nd Jan 2024 09:32

It is quite interesting to see how the carbon-fibre-reinforced polymers in the fuselage hold up against the flames.


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