PA30 crash lands in Villejuif, Paris
https://www.aerobuzz.fr/aviation-gen...e-a-villejuif/
80 year old instructor and pupils 28,29 injured after reporting technical issues and landing in road before crashing in to apartment building. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67620792 |
Close call indeed
That was a very close call indeed. Amazing anyone survived this one!
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Trying to understand how they ended up over Villejuif. I’m guessing a STAR? But that would be a hold or point south east of the airport, and they were coming in from the Northwest. I guess they could have been doing practice approaches, since the instructor was an MEIR instructor
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Found it on flight radar. I hope the 3 people recover. I cannot fathom might might have caused a dual engine failure other than fuel starvation. Perhaps it was a single engine failure and they flew it to the crash site, as is sometimes the case with these underpowered pistons.
lots of perhaps in my posts. I’ll shut up now https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....52ea364af.jpeg n |
Don't want to open a can of worms but 80 yo instructor ? :oh:
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Originally Posted by atakacs
(Post 11551806)
Don't want to open a can of worms but 80 yo instructor ? :oh:
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Originally Posted by atakacs
(Post 11551806)
...but 80 yo instructor ?
Celebrated his 40.000hr milestone earlier this year, it seems |
Originally Posted by atakacs
(Post 11551806)
Don't want to open a can of worms but 80 yo instructor ? :oh:
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Originally Posted by FUMR
(Post 11551872)
Perhaps his experience is what saved them?!
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fce20a5818.jpg source: Wonder what the weather conditions were, with that part of Europe transitioning on Monday from a pretty cold and snowy period, to freeze free days as from Tuesday. They had been flying at FL80 from a while it seems, followed by a stable descent, until things went south. Not sure what kit was onboard if icing conditions were inadvertently entered. On the few photo's after it's 2020 overhaul and repaint, not much of such a kit can be seen on the plane. |
Originally Posted by atakacs
(Post 11551806)
Don't want to open a can of worms but 80 yo instructor ? :oh:
Originally Posted by FUMR
(Post 11551872)
Perhaps his experience is what saved them?!
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Originally Posted by funkydreadlocks
(Post 11551643)
Trying to understand how they ended up over Villejuif. I’m guessing a STAR? But that would be a hold or point south east of the airport, and they were coming in from the Northwest. I guess they could have been doing practice approaches, since the instructor was an MEIR instructor
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Tere is a video with images of the plane and an interview (in french) of the pilot that I will partly translate :
Since I'm new to the forum I cannot post URL so you can google "Atterrissage en urgence d'un avion à Villejuif : l’incroyable sang-froid du pilote france info" for the details : "We have the right engine that started to loose power. The student thought that I was faking a failure as I keep faking failures during training flights and then the second engine started to loose power as well. This is exceptional...., it cannot happen... well it does. I identified a platform so we flew toward and reached it. The luck made that the right wing touched the side of the building and induced a spin to the aircraft that came to rest on a small wall and absorbed all the kinetic energy that would most probably have killed us if we had taken the wall in front. It is a pride to have saved the lives of people underneath us and of the two students...and also of mine." |
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So, no fire after two engines cease running and most every part opened like a can of tuna?
Methinks someone thought someone else was supposed to fill it with gas. |
Originally Posted by MechEngr
(Post 11557270)
So, no fire after two engines cease running and most every part opened like a can of tuna?
Methinks someone thought someone else was supposed to fill it with gas. Engine failure: A situation that occurs when all fuel tanks become totally filled with air. |
Hi Del Prado thanks for the link. It is also interesting, but the translation I put was from this video http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-div...e_6233430.html (removed the leading part of the URL)
where the pilot himself is describing the situation. I like the animation in the TF1 video though. |
Originally Posted by caribou78
(Post 11557515)
hi del prado thanks for the link. It is also interesting, but the translation i put was from this video http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-div...e_6233430.html (removed the leading part of the url)
where the pilot himself is describing the situation. I like the animation in the tf1 video though. |
Originally Posted by MechEngr
(Post 11557270)
So, no fire after two engines cease running and most every part opened like a can of tuna?
Methinks someone thought someone else was supposed to fill it with gas. |
There is a long interview of the pilot (J.P. Trimaille the FI ) of that flight in the March issue of INFO PILOTE ( French GA magazine ) he said there were on an IFR LPV approach for 25 in Toussus at 4000 ft descending for 3000 when the first engine stopped, the student ( already a CPL ) believed it was an exercise and followed the procedure but almost immediately after the second engine stopped, . He immediately took over from the Student and both tried to restart with fuel pump ,changed tanks etc, but losing alt fast .. It was almost night . a large avenue straight ahead , but full of cars , he chose a smaller space between 2 big buildings also almost straight ahead , he said he took arbitrarily 70 Kts as a compromise to stay above stall and minimize impact speed. he planned to hit the buildings with the end of wings ( the outer half wings ) to dissipate energy . All worked out almost as planed, the right wing hit the right building first which spinned the a/c which landed with little vertical energy. The door could be opened and they walked out. His lesson : keep speed to avoid stall, choose a place to put it down somewhere straight ahead. and fly the aircraft until the end
There was only 1 min 50 sec between the double failure and impact . So much for an 82 years old with 40.000 h . He is back flying again as an FI .I'll go with him any day. He does not know (yet) what caused the double failure., the BEA is looking into it. |
He does not know (yet) what caused the double failure., the BEA is looking into it. We had a PA-30-160 similarly suffer a double engine failure in the early 1980s en-route Southend to Doncaster. Luckily it was daytime VMC and our Chief Pilot was flying the aircraft. He issued a Mayday call and headed for RAF Barkston Heath while trying to restart the engines. While on finals for a dead-stick landing one engine did restart but he continued with the landing as being the wisest choice. RAF Cranwell sent over a vehicle to collect the two pax and took them to the nearest rail station to continue their journey. Our Chief Engineer flew up to examine the aircraft and despite extensive checks and ground runs could find no fault so flew back with the aircraft to Southend. So we never found the cause of the incident and nothing of the like ever happened again. There was a slightly amusing aspect to this in that I was in a meeting with a client who wanted to discuss a new contract and an Ops Officer rushed in to say that " ***** has just declared a Mayday." I told him I would come through in a moment and the client looked at me and said "Mayday? That's serious isn't it?" to which I replied "It can be. Please excuse me for a few minutes." We got the new contract. |
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