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733driver 11th May 2024 20:55


Originally Posted by EXDAC (Post 11653485)
Autoland crosswind limits are typically much lower than manual landing limits. However, I don't know of any autoland system that does not establish runway alignment before flare starts. Are there any?

Sperry/Honeywell systems typically enter ALIGN mode at 150 ft RA and FLARE mode at 50 ft RA. If a pilot always handles a crosswind differently than autoland how do they build confidence that autoland will actually work at the crosswind limit?

The 737;Classic auto-lands with full crab. Pilot disconnects autopilot upon MLG touchdown and de-crabs before NLG touchdown.

EXDAC 11th May 2024 21:08


Originally Posted by 733driver (Post 11653506)
The 737;Classic auto-lands with full crab. Pilot disconnects autopilot upon MLG touchdown and de-crabs before NLG touchdown.

Interesting, thanks. All the systems I worked on had automatic nose lowering and roll-out mode. I would think the transition from a full crab touchdown to manual alignment, nose lowering, and rollout wiould be quite "uncomfortable". What RVR and DH is that system approved for?

Speed_Trim_Fail 11th May 2024 22:15


Originally Posted by EXDAC (Post 11653513)
Interesting, thanks. All the systems I worked on had automatic nose lowering and roll-out mode. I would think the transition from a full crab touchdown to manual alignment, nose lowering, and rollout wiould be quite "uncomfortable". What RVR and DH is that system approved for?

Cat3a. Works bloody well too.

CaptainProp 12th May 2024 06:53


Originally Posted by punkalouver (Post 11564527)
I find this quote from the report interesting:

"CL-604 Operating Manual The manufacturer’s Operating Manual (OM) stated in ‘NORMAL PROCEDURES, Approach and Landing’ that VREF+X is calculated by adding a wind correction of ‘half steady state crosswind plus all gust (regardless of direction). Maximum correction is + 20 KIAS’ to the VREF. For the reported wind of from 300° at 13 kt gusting 25 kt, and a VREF of 123 kt, this equates to a VREF +X of 142 kt".

On most airliners, it has traditionally been half(or a third) the steady state headwind plus all of the gust.

Anybody seen this before on other aircraft?

Dassault is using, or at least used to use, half headwind (component) + full gust. So on RWY 26 with wind 200/10G20 you would have about 6kt headwind component and 10kt correction for gusts giving you a delta Vref of 16kt.

Uplinker 14th May 2024 09:30


........if you look after an A/C it may help, look after you.

U/C, tyres specifically. Landing with crab must be putting a lot of stress on tyres, not to mention, the whole aircraft. A disintegrating tyre is capable of bringing down an aircraft.......

I always wince at any suggestion of touching down while crabbed - that is abuse of mechanicals !

Especially since it is easy enough to de-crab while flaring - before the mains touch.


RichardJones 14th May 2024 17:58


Originally Posted by Uplinker (Post 11654890)
I always wince at any suggestion of touching down while crabbed - that is abuse of mechanicals !

Especially since it is easy enough to de-crab while flaring - before the mains touch.

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