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SRMman 20th Oct 2023 13:42

Tui TOM23C Incident
 
Tui flight from Corfu off the runway at Leeds Bradford.

80P 20th Oct 2023 13:51

Hopefully everyone ok.

ETOPS 20th Oct 2023 14:00

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....31d675307.jpeg

SRMman 20th Oct 2023 14:10

From FlightRadar looks like it was getting rather close to the end of the runway.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ddf8cf81c4.png

timmcat 20th Oct 2023 14:18

Tui runway excursion at Leeds Bradford 20/10/23
 
Heavy rain at the time. Reports suggesting no injuries.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....790fbac132.jpg

buzzer90 20th Oct 2023 14:19

Read that they decided the grass was a better option than over running.

Sound plausible?

orgASMic 20th Oct 2023 14:27

Leeds METAR showing 17-30kts crosswind. Tricky

7of9 20th Oct 2023 14:37

Boeing 737-8K5 TOM 23C (BY3551) G-TAWD landed 13:53.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-67174117



Speedywheels 20th Oct 2023 14:39

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....faad28ec8.jpeg
Looks like it might take some digging to get it out

Sonorguy 20th Oct 2023 14:42

The weather in Yorkshire, as elsewhere in the UK, is atrocious at the moment.

rkenyon 20th Oct 2023 14:52

An ignorant question... it doesn't look like there was an emergency evacuation (no slides). Is that normal in an incident like this?

Or is it better to keep everyone in their seats if there is no imminent danger?

TCAS FAN 20th Oct 2023 15:00

According to NOTAM C5926/23 the airport closed until 0100 BST Saturday. At this early stage this may be a bit optimistic, unless removal equipment, including that needed to make a temporary stable surface to get the aircraft back onto the asphalt, is readily available.

grizzled 20th Oct 2023 15:00


Originally Posted by rkenyon (Post 11524599)
is it better to keep everyone in their seats if there is no imminent danger?

Generally, yes (my bolding to emphasize the key part of your question).
And it's a good question.

FLCH 20th Oct 2023 15:00

Keeping them in their seats is good, as dragging your suitcase in the mud is not optimal.

ShyTorque 20th Oct 2023 15:00

Apparently it’s just “moved off” the runway. Best not use any stronger language such as “skidded off” or “departed from” so as not to frighten the kids…

Hopefully no injuries other than to trousers.

grizzled 20th Oct 2023 15:03

FLCH: Well done! :ok:

TCAS FAN 20th Oct 2023 15:05


Originally Posted by ShyTorque (Post 11524607)
Apparently it’s just “moved off” the runway. Best not use any stronger language such as “skidded off” or “departed from” so as not to frighten the kids…

Hopefully no injuries other than to trousers.

That's as it may be, the problem is what it "moved off" into, very soft ground?

Diff Tail Shim 20th Oct 2023 15:06

Air bags, diggers and lots of steel matting required.

thnarg 20th Oct 2023 15:06


Originally Posted by grizzled (Post 11524605)
Generally, yes (my bolding to emphasize the key part of your question).
And it's a good question.

And a good answer. Slides don’t behave well in strong winds, and pax don’t behave well when let loose.

toratoratora 20th Oct 2023 15:14

Looks like a G/A on 14, and possibly one on 32 as well…

SWBKCB 20th Oct 2023 15:18


Originally Posted by toratoratora (Post 11524623)
Looks like a G/A on 14, and possibly one on 32 as well…

I can only see one approach using ADSB data

jackharr 20th Oct 2023 15:18

I was based at LBA for several years but managed to get posted away before I went off the runway. I never came THAT close to going off, but did ruin a set of tyres staying on the hard stuff.

toratoratora 20th Oct 2023 15:25

Flightradar playback seems to show otherwise, but that could well be my interpretation…

monkey.tennis 20th Oct 2023 15:29


Originally Posted by toratoratora (Post 11524635)
Flightradar playback seems to show otherwise, but that could well be my interpretation…

One procedural approach. Look at the altitude data.

Plane Speaker 20th Oct 2023 15:30

Looking at the photo of the wing in Post #4 it appears that the mud has been sprayed over the wing by the engine cowl and what ever is remaining of the LH MLG, which I presume departed the aircraft? Pure speculation here, on my part.

Flying Hi 20th Oct 2023 15:46


Originally Posted by Plane Speaker (Post 11524643)
Looking at the photo of the wing in Post #4 it appears that the mud has been sprayed over the wing by the engine cowl nd what ever is remaining of the LH MLG, which I presume departed the aircraft? Pure speculation here, on my part.

Presume MLG bogged down deep in the muck.
That'll need more than a quick jetwash!

Jonty 20th Oct 2023 15:52

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2d68c4da9.jpeg
Everything is still attached. I’m sure it will be fine.

SQUAWKIDENT 20th Oct 2023 15:57

From BBC News:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-67174117

"The TUI flight from Corfu "moved off the runway whilst landing" at Leeds Bradford Airport (LBA) on Friday afternoon, the firm said."

That's one way of putting it :)

toratoratora 20th Oct 2023 15:57


Originally Posted by monkey.tennis (Post 11524641)
One procedural approach. Look at the altitude data.

Thanks, Monkey-now seen.
Did think the profiles looked a bit odd.

Bradley Hardacre 20th Oct 2023 15:59

Bet it left a few skid marks

Planner01 20th Oct 2023 16:07

Throw the reversers on and back her out. Might need to rock back and fourth on the clutch a bit first. What possibly could go wrong.
Then a quick trip and £10 in the local scratch and shine to get the of the muck off.

LBIA 20th Oct 2023 16:11

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a3a7903d9.jpeg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ff0c4c068.jpeg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c22a4ab36.jpeg
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reverserunlocked 20th Oct 2023 16:15

Where’s Joe Patroni when you need him? Seriously though looks like everyone lived to tell the tale and as long as they can dig it out without collapsing the gear then it’ll be right as rain. LBA in a 737 NG in crappy WX isn’t much fun!

Planner01 20th Oct 2023 16:15


Originally Posted by Bradley Hardacre (Post 11524667)
Bet it left a few skid marks

I'm sure the two seats will need a wash

Rarife 20th Oct 2023 16:17

Just out of curiosity, do you have any idea what did they do on arrival? I'm not familiar with Leeds.

Apron Artist 20th Oct 2023 16:37

Another 738 departs the paved surface. Add it to the long list of others. In 13 years at LGW, 738s were more often than not the ones that suffered big problems on landing - from the Turkish that buckled the right MLG and sat on stand 102 for weeks awaiting repair, to, more recently one of TUI's 73Ms that knackered its NLG, round about lockdown time 2020. Seen plenty of Airbus touch-and-go last minute go-arounds but none damaged or causing lots of disruption. Apart from the Titan with the excess biocide in the fuel.

Trossie 20th Oct 2023 16:43


Originally Posted by Apron Artist (Post 11524689)
Another 738 departs the paved surface. Add it to the long list of others. In 13 years at LGW, 738s were more often than not ...

LBA is not the same as LGW. Especially on a wet and windy day.

Planner01 20th Oct 2023 16:46


Originally Posted by Apron Artist (Post 11524689)
Another 738 departs the paved surface. Add it to the long list of others. In 13 years at LGW, 738s were more often than not the ones that suffered big problems on landing - from the Turkish that buckled the right MLG and sat on stand 102 for weeks awaiting repair, to, more recently one of TUI's 73Ms that knackered its NLG, round about lockdown time 2020. Seen plenty of Airbus touch-and-go last minute go-arounds but none damaged or causing lots of disruption. Apart from the Titan with the excess biocide in the fuel.

I flew the -200 and -300 and found them easy to land. 75 a bit heavy but still easy to lay down smoothly. Could place the A330 down with my eyes closed. Now back on the 73 but -800 and that extra length does make it tricker those final few ft. Will be interesting to have a go on the MAX10; the few videos out there of it shows a shallow flare and firm landing. Could hand fly a -200 like a PA28.

Apron Artist 20th Oct 2023 16:50


Originally Posted by Trossie (Post 11524693)
LBA is not the same as LGW. Especially on a wet and windy day.

I'm fully aware of that, but even Wizz manage to plonk their A321s down without too many dramas. The 738 is a pig. Shame, Boeing used to make the best aircraft in the world.

jackharr 20th Oct 2023 16:51

Come on guys. Some sympathy. It could happen to anyone. There are those who have been off the runway and those who haven't YET. (I retired before the YET!)


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